Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele
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Wick3d
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If he does not want to put in the hard work, then the obvious decision will be to sell him. However, if he is committed, then I do not see any reason to sell him. He is our record signing, we clearly must have a lot of faith in the guy, he deserves at least another season to show what he is all about. People are too quick with making judgements in football. Some players take a bit of time.
BringBack_leGin
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Apart from the odd noise from Romano, this has gone quiet, which either means he isn’t off and has accepted this, or we’re giving him and Inter what they want so there’s no need for that side to keep leaking in the press. I hope it’s the former.
cider spurs
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And here lies the problem.
I'm sure many would afford him another season to get up to speed, adjust to the prem.
Of course it takes time to find their form in the pace of the prem, many players initial form drops off as they adjust.
But effort, well effort should be in abundance from the get go. You shouldn't have to instil that into a player.
You want it enough, you put in the hard work, same as many aspects in life.
Khilari
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I think as fans we sometimes forget that footballers are people. Complicated. Some are driven and will succeed no matter where they are. Others, like most of us need a multitude of factors for things to work and click.
Ndombele came from France into a team managed at the time by (IMO) the best coach in the world, a team with some of the most exciting players in Europe and off the back of a Champion's League final. We played a certain way and he started well but was plagued by injury. The team performed badly and he was not the cause. The manager he came to play for left and he, in his first season has been trying to adapt to a new (very different) manager in a season interrupted by COVID-19.
It takes a lot of factors for things to click - time sometimes being one of them. Let's not forget Son's first season, Dembele's when we really didn't get the sense that he was going to tear it up, Modric or even Bale.
Adjusting to a new way of life, away from friends and family can have different effects on people. Isolation and COVID has had a different effect on people. Different managers have different effects on people. It's his job to work hard and Tottenham Hotspur's job to help. I'd be disappointed if he was sold and clearly know little about what has been happening behind the scenes, but he could clearly flourish into one of our most important assets. Powerful, strong and can pick a pass.
I dunno.
Ndombele came from France into a team managed at the time by (IMO) the best coach in the world, a team with some of the most exciting players in Europe and off the back of a Champion's League final. We played a certain way and he started well but was plagued by injury. The team performed badly and he was not the cause. The manager he came to play for left and he, in his first season has been trying to adapt to a new (very different) manager in a season interrupted by COVID-19.
It takes a lot of factors for things to click - time sometimes being one of them. Let's not forget Son's first season, Dembele's when we really didn't get the sense that he was going to tear it up, Modric or even Bale.
Adjusting to a new way of life, away from friends and family can have different effects on people. Isolation and COVID has had a different effect on people. Different managers have different effects on people. It's his job to work hard and Tottenham Hotspur's job to help. I'd be disappointed if he was sold and clearly know little about what has been happening behind the scenes, but he could clearly flourish into one of our most important assets. Powerful, strong and can pick a pass.
I dunno.
joey55
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I've seen the Son and Bale comparisons before, but I think they are poor examples and don't relate to the NDombele situation
JDS and Taarabt are much more comparable situations. Players with massive talent, that everyone could see, but question marks over attitude and commitment.
I feel this is a particular problem and one which may re-occur. Is it a physical injury which affects him and prevents him from competing??
Or is it an ‘injury’ which doesn’t put TN at quite 100% and therefore psychologically impacts performance. If it’s the latter then maybe the EPL is a wrong fit.
Surely there’s a reason why certain players play more then others in terms of “fitness”. It can all be down to luck.
Not sure a Jordan Henderson would have had as many “niggles“ as TN if clubs were reversed. Merely hypothesising of course.
I am not a fan of how N'Dombele has seemingly "behaved" as a Spursplayer, but this injury thing can be interpreted in two ways:
a) not professional enough to keep himself fit
b) too eager to play when his body wasn't ready
Default here seems to be a) among most fans. I lean that way myself, but I can't rule out some sort of b).
Also "flair" players do tend to struggle when they are not fit enough (my hypothesis). Dembele was a shadow of his best when he struggled too much with injuries. 90% fit and he was on fire - 80% and he looked heavy, old and sluggish.
If he stays I'm assuming we then believe it is not related to him just being lazy and/or not professional enough. If so I can't wait to see him play fully fit again.
a) not professional enough to keep himself fit
b) too eager to play when his body wasn't ready
Default here seems to be a) among most fans. I lean that way myself, but I can't rule out some sort of b).
Also "flair" players do tend to struggle when they are not fit enough (my hypothesis). Dembele was a shadow of his best when he struggled too much with injuries. 90% fit and he was on fire - 80% and he looked heavy, old and sluggish.
If he stays I'm assuming we then believe it is not related to him just being lazy and/or not professional enough. If so I can't wait to see him play fully fit again.
There arent question marks over his attitude or commitment anywhere but on SC.
RichieS
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I have been wondering about this - have there even been (mainstream) press reports of a poor attitude? There's something about potentially unfounded rumours of "poor attitude/laziness" and "his entourage" that makes me slightly uncomfortable...
No. It’s just SC being SC and making themselves feel more comfortable about Jose trying to fuck off one of the more talented players in Europe again
RichieS
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If José wants him gone, there will be reasons. As long as whatever happens in the end is what the manager wants (FFS Levy, back the manager!), then I'm cool with it. It's not like we would miss Tanguy as things stand, so limited has his game time been.
Mourinho was asked about his tracking back after the Wolves game.
My personal experience tells me that this is an issue outside of SC, but I have hardly done a scientific study.
It is a bit funny how some opinions seem to become part of a message board culture though. I follow the NHL and for the Canucks the view of the general manager is quite different on two different message boards. So odd.
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Hmm Mourinho might have fucked over talented players in the past but I don’t really think that’s what is happening here. Ndombele clearly has a lot to learn and Mourinho isn’t going to throw him in until he’s ready. SC just aren’t patient and assume the fact that he hasn’t come to grips with the game in England yet as an attitude problem.
There were plenty of reports in France about his attitude, I remember them from when we signed him and a quick google search will find the quotes I’m sure. Maybe SC are just assuming it’s the same thing happening again.
Whatever it is, he is going to need to improve to break into the side and that’ll be even harder with new signings. It’ll be on him to make the improvements.
joey55
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But that's not true is it. Ally Gold has spoken about the leaks in the press coming from his camp. Also his attitude was widely questioned after the Wolves game, not just on SC, or even just among Spurs fans, but football media in general.
emiley heskey
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There were lot of reports regarding ndombele about his attitude and fitness before signing for spurs
SpartanSpur
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If anything I'd argue there are more passionate defenders of Ndombele on here on average than there are amongst the general support. Not the other way around.
A message board is a soap box so you get both sides of the argument, people seem to get selective on the tone of a board based on their personal stance IMO.
A message board is a soap box so you get both sides of the argument, people seem to get selective on the tone of a board based on their personal stance IMO.
Rosco1984
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You can just use your own eyes and see someone playing CM (and I mean CM not AM or Wide Forward. CM where a main part of your role in the team is to track opposition runners from midfield and prevent them getting free chances in and around the box.) just casually trotting back with his hands on his hips while his opposite number has a shot/sets up a chance. That's a bad attitude putting in a shift is the minimum requirement of a central midfielder. Being able to do a stepover does not mean your opposing number doesn't need to be tracked.
rossdapep
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It's simple for me, if he doesn't want to be here and we can recoup the fee, he goes.
You dont keep players around who don't want to be here, especially if they aren't showing the required desire.
I don't care what their potential is, you won't get 100% of it, if they aren't willing to show for it.
It's clear to me that Jose is trying to avoid a Pogba situation. He wanted more from Pogba off the ball, yet Pogba believed it was taking away his best attributes, therefore you have a player not obiding by the strategy of the team. Pogba's biggest weakness is his ability to lose the ball when the team are in a vulnerable position (high up the pitch with no cover), it has led to many goals against over the last few years and cost them against Sevilla. Jose will be conscious about this with Ndombele, if he loses the ball, can he transition quickly? At the moment, I'd say not at all.
Jose will want the same from Ndombele, and if he's not showing it from the extra training or sessions then he's pretty much a lost cause and is going to be a hindrance more than solution.
You dont keep players around who don't want to be here, especially if they aren't showing the required desire.
I don't care what their potential is, you won't get 100% of it, if they aren't willing to show for it.
It's clear to me that Jose is trying to avoid a Pogba situation. He wanted more from Pogba off the ball, yet Pogba believed it was taking away his best attributes, therefore you have a player not obiding by the strategy of the team. Pogba's biggest weakness is his ability to lose the ball when the team are in a vulnerable position (high up the pitch with no cover), it has led to many goals against over the last few years and cost them against Sevilla. Jose will be conscious about this with Ndombele, if he loses the ball, can he transition quickly? At the moment, I'd say not at all.
Jose will want the same from Ndombele, and if he's not showing it from the extra training or sessions then he's pretty much a lost cause and is going to be a hindrance more than solution.
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