Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

[Styopa]

I think the whole point of the argument is that Werner should be signed and if someone has to go Gil and Solomon should be closer to the exit door.

Yeah, but I don’t think anyone disagrees with this really? Well maybe Solomon is a bit more of an open question but I don’t think anyone seriously thinks we should keep Gil instead of Werner.

I think the question of whether we buy Werner and sell Gil is a bit analogous to the question of whether we keep Emerson and sell Tanganga. I think it’s the wrong way to frame it.

Gil has played about one fifth of the minutes Tanganga has played for us in the Premier League. So whatever happens, we have to replace Gil.

I just don’t see Gil being a major part of the conversation, in the same way as I don’t see Tanaganga as being a major part of the conversation about whether to keep Emerson.

 

[easley91]

Gil should be the one to leave before Solomon. Would be harsh to get rid of him after his first season was hit with injury.

 

[Trix]

Gil should be the one to leave before Solomon. Would be harsh to get rid of him after his first season was hit with injury.

You don't need a pecking order for players that aren't in the long term plans. If a suitable bid comes in for any of them they should be let go regardless of who else is or isn't still here.

 

[easley91]

You don't need a pecking order for players that aren't in the long term plans. If a suitable bid comes in for any of them they should be let go regardless of who else is or isn't still here.

I don't know who is or isn't in the pecking order and I don't know is or isn't in the long term plans. I just feel it would be harsh to tell someone they can leave after an injury hit first season with the club when in his fleeting appearances I thought he offered something and did well. For me personally I think we should give him another season and give him another chance to prove himself.

If people in the club feel different then fair enough. It is just my personal opinion.

 

[jpascavitz]

This thread is really confusing. We have a player who is tailor made for Ange’s system. Is now settling and getting goals. Has pace to burn and makes the runs which creates space for others. Half the thread want rid as Neto could be available for a ridiculous amount of money, has a record of terrible injuries and long recoveries etc.

Madness. Werner fits, so sign him.

It also brings to mind that we might not have seen the best of him yet. Sometimes the advantage of a January signing is to get bedded into a system before pre-season. I remember Lucas Moura showing flashes that first few months. The next season he came out and had his best ever. If Timo can stay healthy and have a good preseason he can fully hit the ground running at the beginning of next while he's already shown some very good flashes.

 

[purplemonkey]

I quite like Timo and he would probably be a perfect option for another year but I have doubts about his utility beyond that. The fee is one thing, the wages are another. Will we be able to offload a 30 year old on say 120-150k a week? He’s proved to be a good fit for Ange, but he is an anachronistic player with a limited skillset, fragile confidence and a chequered reputation. If we have ambitions to compete for the league and the CL (which I think is realistic in 18-24 months) then we will inevitably outgrow him, he will fall out of favour, his stock will plummet and we will find ourselves having to subsidise loan moves to Turkey or the US for the remainder of his contract.

In summary, he’s currently a valuable asset that would quickly become a liability. I’d be happier extending his loan even for a relative fortune at say £8/9m, rather than sign him cheaply for £15m and be stuck with a problem longer term. He’s in Lukaku land.

 

[Rosco1984]

I quite like Timo and he would probably be a perfect option for another year but I have doubts about his utility beyond that. The fee is one thing, the wages are another. Will we be able to offload a 30 year old on say 120-150k a week? He’s proved to be a good fit for Ange, but he is an anachronistic player with a limited skillset, fragile confidence and a chequered reputation. If we have ambitions to compete for the league and the CL (which I think is realistic in 18-24 months) then we will inevitably outgrow him, he will fall out of favour, his stock will plummet and we will find ourselves having to subsidise loan moves to Turkey or the US for the remainder of his contract.

In summary, he’s currently a valuable asset that would quickly become a liability. I’d be happier extending his loan even for a relative fortune at say £8/9m, rather than sign him cheaply for £15m and be stuck with a problem longer term. He’s in Lukaku land.

or he continues his recent form and gets his confidence back and becomes the player who scored for fun for Leipzig and Germany before he went to that club notorious for ruining strikers. Giving us a 70m goalscorer for 15m.

 

[NorthernYido]

What I've liked about watching Werner is that he generally doesn't try to overcomplicate things. He's learned what he's good at and he keeps to it . Sure there are some limitations to his game but he plays to his strengths

 

[Trix]

A player of his quality and showing the output he is currently showing for £15mil it's a no brainer imo. It allows us to then spend money elsewhere where it'll be far more beneficial.

 

[McFlash]

The transfer fee does look a great price. He has improved us and our ability to cope with rigours of a long season.

Are we going to meet his wage demands? Currently picking up 150k plus at his parent club. Do we want to splurge that on a 28 for a 4/5 year contract with little resale value?

Not saying we won’t or shouldn’t do the deal but not as straightforward as just paying the fee I think.

Excited to see what he brings for those 11 games and how this pans out. So far a really good loan with potential for something more in the long term.

Yeah, I've got to admit that his wages are the one thing preventing me from jumping on the "must buy him" train.
But if he's enjoying himself here, he may be willing to reduce them for a good length contract loaded with goal and assist bonuses.
Levy used to love loading contracts with performance related bonuses so I'm sure he still does (I'm sure I read on here that Kane could almost raise his weekly wage by something like 100k at one stage due to bonuses - something crazy like that).

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I quite like Timo and he would probably be a perfect option for another year but I have doubts about his utility beyond that. The fee is one thing, the wages are another. Will we be able to offload a 30 year old on say 120-150k a week? He’s proved to be a good fit for Ange, but he is an anachronistic player with a limited skillset, fragile confidence and a chequered reputation. If we have ambitions to compete for the league and the CL (which I think is realistic in 18-24 months) then we will inevitably outgrow him, he will fall out of favour, his stock will plummet and we will find ourselves having to subsidise loan moves to Turkey or the US for the remainder of his contract.

In summary, he’s currently a valuable asset that would quickly become a liability. I’d be happier extending his loan even for a relative fortune at say £8/9m, rather than sign him cheaply for £15m and be stuck with a problem longer term. He’s in Lukaku land.

For £15M, we can let him go o on a free. Offer him a 2 year contract with option in our fanour?

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Such a bad miss today, that kind of thing really isn’t good enough no matter how threatening he sometimes looks. Hopefully doesn’t dent his confidence too much but tbh if he can’t come back stronger after that, he shouldn’t be here next season.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Such a bad miss today, that kind of thing really isn’t good enough no matter how threatening he sometimes looks. Hopefully doesn’t dent his confidence too much but tbh if he can’t come back stronger after that, he shouldn’t be here next season.

This is what he is unfortunately. He will never be clinical. Some games he will be on point and look class others he will forget where the goal is. It’s just part of the package. He will get purple patches tho but it’s always a lottery with him when it comes to finishing.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

This is what he is unfortunately. He will never be clinical. Some games he will be on point and look class others he will forget where the goal is. It’s just part of the package. He will get purple patches tho but it’s always a lottery with him when it comes to finishing.

yeah that’s what I was afraid of. I don’t think it’s worth him being here if that’s the case, club should be striving to do better with that squad number.

 

[ajspurs]

This is why I didn't say anything after the last match, as I knew if he had a poor game today then people would be changing their minds again. If he gets a hattrick at home to Luton then their minds would be flipped again.

I still personally think it's dependent on multiple other circumstances, like who goes, who can be brought in, where we see Kulusevski long term etc. Not that it's likely, but just as an example, if we try to bring in Williams and Bakayoko, then you're not going to want to take up the deal on Werner too. Like said though, one of the determining factors may be just who else we could bring in, and whether we strongly believe they'd be a better option than Werner or not.

This is what he is unfortunately. He will never be clinical. Some games he will be on point and look class others he will forget where the goal is. It’s just part of the package. He will get purple patches tho but it’s always a lottery with him when it comes to finishing.

I think our biggest issue is that you can say this for all our wide players. Maybe not down to the specifics, but generally speaking with regard to the quality shown from game to game.

 

[mil1lion]

Has to score that sitter. How the hell did he miss that?

 

[Montalbano]

His miss was shocking but I think he offers the most in our system at LW currently. Him and Johnson are the only wingers capable of beating their man.

I'd like to see him and Johnson start on either side of Son against Luton.

 

[DannyNZ]

Missed a sitter but offered a hell of a lot more in his time on the pitch than Kulu, Son and Johnson had.

 

[shoggy33]

I just do not understand why anyone would want us to sign him permanently. He's doing OK, but he simply is not the player we need to take us to the next level. We already have a bunch of decent forwards, we don't need another one to take up squad space, we need top quality additions so we can compete with the teams above us.

 

[spurs-r-us]

Missed a sitter but offered a hell of a lot more in his time on the pitch than Kulu, Son and Johnson had.

I would have started him today, but this is a bit disingenuous. All wingers look better against tired defences, particularly when the sting is out of the game.