Players 'fed up' with Mourinho criticism

[14/04/91]

We finished 3rd with a Dier + Dembele pivot and 2nd with a Wanyama + Dembele pivot. I'd say the system works, but only when the players are good enough to make it work. Our back 4 of Jan, Toby, Walker & Rose played more than a small part - each of them has either declined or been replaced with an inferior player (even Reguilon is defensively worse than a prime Rose).

Agreed but we were also better at retaining the ball and playing in the opposition's half in those 2 seasons.
The full-backs were more adventurous (as a pair) than nowadays but the CM's and CB's coped.
I firmly believe that we look so vulnerable now because we give the opposition so much of the ball.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

You certainly need 4 top players at CB and CM to be confident in a pivot midfield, and I don't think anyone would argue that we haven't had that since Toby, Jan, Victor and Moussa.

King, Gallas, Sandro/Parker & Modric was pretty solid under Harry. Either side of both teams, we've been desperate for a quality CB + CM, but keep failing to get our targets.

 

[UbeAstard]

So I've read it's the players but we've changed players before and it's the same thing. The it's the manager.....well again we've changed the manager more often than the players and we're still in the same situation.

I really don't know what we need to do. The only thing that's not changed in the more recent years is the owner. Do we need new owners? I really don't know. What I do feel is we need to change the quality of the players we're buying. L'pool bought a defender and a keeper for big bucks and they won the PL and CL.

The owner doesnt play or pick the team or choose the players to buy. In what way would you attribute the results to the owner's who have spent money by the way?

 

[double0]

To many players at the club believe they're better than they think.

 

[mumfordspur]

I prefer the Dijon manager. Apparently he's mustard.

I'm keen

 

[Dr Know]

The owner doesnt play or pick the team or choose the players to buy. In what way would you attribute the results to the owner's who have spent money by the way?

Well you're assuming that I attribute the results as clearly I did not state that in my post. I was merely making a comment based on some of the posts on here that claim it's the players and some say it's the manager. We have changed both and the results are still the same.....nearly there.
In terms of spending money, my point was instead of spending on 4 or 5 players why don't we pay big for the positions needed the most? We spent big on N'dombele but we're conceding goals like a sieve. Why couldn't we spend big on plugging that gap? Kane scores for fun so no need to go all out on an expensive striker, yes we need a backup striker but we should also have wingers and attacking midfielders scoring a few too.
I just used N'dombele as an example due to the amount spent on him.

I think Levy is probably scratching his head as much as we are because we've come so close to achieving something only to again fall short right near the finish line.

 

[beats1]

LOL if they think Mourinho is harsh wait till they go on to the fighting cock and listen to BC

 

[SPURSLIFE]

No plan? So what did he tell Sanchez? "Make sure you pass the ball straight to a opposing forward in your defensive third so that we concede a goal"?

Probably.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Looks like Poch is on his way to another CL final......... Just saying.

 

[whitesocks]

LOL if they think Mourinho is harsh wait till they go on to the fighting cock and listen to BC

BC was a big fan of pointless possession -the kind AVB dished up every week - so it hardly surprising he's not happy.
Mourinho's philosophy is about counter attack and quick transitions.
Having possession is just a dangerous risk for mourinho. He has fought against tiki-taka all his life.

The half time/full time commentary he did with gullet for our one night in amsterdam was brilliant as I remember.
While gullet mocked our players for being so technically inferior to Ajax, he kept a dignified silence.
Then for once in his life, pochettino came up with a plan B, and it was devastating.
Long balls to llorente in quick transitions, by-passing all the elites. We conjured up one of the greatest victories against possession football - at the very home of where this football was first put into practice - since, well mourinho's inter milan beat barcelona in the CL in 2010. Mourinho absolutely loved it and I feel his desire to manage our club was born then.

To say that mourinho's methods are dated are very wrong - we saw it ourselves that night. It wasn't pretty but neither were chelsea for all those years. They just won. Whatever it takes.

If Levy had splashed out on an experienced CB and a big No 9 who could hold up the ball, then I feel we could well have been challenging manc this season. But instead as we don't have the players for mourinho-ball and as many of our midfielders don't even want the ball, we cant even attempt to play possession either. We are lost.

 

[spursbhoy67]

Poch played counter attacking football last night. It was a Mourinho type performance with Neymar and Mbappe up front.

Mourinho is a legend at two clubs, three if you count his first stint at Chelsea. The clubs, Porto, Inter and Chelsea never had a traditional way of playing attacking football or behaviour compared to some of the rivals in the respective countries. Inter's legacy was built on catenaccio, so Jose was adored there.

Where Mourinho has struggled is at Real, Man U and now Spurs were the fans, and the players want to play a certain way. He tried to get them to play his way which did not and does not fit the model of those clubs. I think he would be successful and accepted at a club like PSG but not Bayern, Atleti but not Barca, Rangers not Celtic, etc. Players have to buy into the mindset. Those at Real, United, Chelsea the second time around and some at Spurs did not and are not.

I can understand the mindset with Real, United and Chelsea (second time) because the three teams had players who won things, who played with managers who let them play and who catered to the fans, all wanted Mourinho out.

My issue is with the players at Spurs who other than the likes of Hojbjerg (CL) and Lloris (WC) have won nothing. They have been allowed to dictate and throw Poch (final season) and Mourinho under the bus when he should be asking them to "show me your medals".

We have players who are good enough to win trophies but we do no have a squad or a mentality to do so. When we threw away chances at silverware under Poch we threw away the chance to establish a winning mentality. Nearly winning the CL was okay for some in our squad. We needed to kick on but the manager didn't and the players who would struggle to get into top teams in Europe were allowed to have a greater influence in the dressing room.

I am fortunate to be able to work in the game and I love the history of the sport. When you walk into the clubs Newcastle's success is in black and white, Spurs is 08-99-80s, Everton is 95-mid 80s, Sheff United goes back to the 20s, Huddersfield 30s, Sunderland the 70s, Villa 81.

Walk into Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool even Wigan and Pompey and the photos are of recent successes. I try to explain to younger coaches and players that Burnley were one of the best clubs in England in the 60s, likewise Ipswich Town under Ramsey. They don't want to hear it. The usual refrain is when was the last time Spurs won anything. We need to win things to change the culture around the club.

I am a fan of Mourinho but not at Spurs, however, I want him to be successful. He needs to clear out players that his experience says will not help him win a game 1-0. If that means Dele and Dier then so be it. I want to see him have this Spurs team play his 4-1-4-1 like he did with Chelsea first time and attack at pace - Duff, Robben, etc in full flow. I hated that team, but they were good to watch.

Is there a possibility that Mourinho is yesterday's man? Yes, but it is more likely that Dele, Dier, Rose, Winks, Sissoko are. Back one or support the other. Football is a professional business and cut throat at times. We need to have that mentality now. Back Jose or sack him.

And if we sack him a new manager will give those players time to impress and they will let him down too.

 

[Hoopspur]

I'm keen

He’s hot

 

[shelfmonkey]

Would you enjoy going into work to work for someone who has no plan and consistently slags you off when their "second to none" methods never work?

Stevie Bruce is the latest manager to out tactic Jose and they were not even at full strength.

Says it all!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

Poch played counter attacking football last night. It was a Mourinho type performance with Neymar and Mbappe up front.

Mourinho is a legend at two clubs, three if you count his first stint at Chelsea. The clubs, Porto, Inter and Chelsea never had a traditional way of playing attacking football or behaviour compared to some of the rivals in the respective countries. Inter's legacy was built on catenaccio, so Jose was adored there.

Where Mourinho has struggled is at Real, Man U and now Spurs were the fans, and the players want to play a certain way. He tried to get them to play his way which did not and does not fit the model of those clubs. I think he would be successful and accepted at a club like PSG but not Bayern, Atleti but not Barca, Rangers not Celtic, etc. Players have to buy into the mindset. Those at Real, United, Chelsea the second time around and some at Spurs did not and are not.

I can understand the mindset with Real, United and Chelsea (second time) because the three teams had players who won things, who played with managers who let them play and who catered to the fans, all wanted Mourinho out.

My issue is with the players at Spurs who other than the likes of Hojbjerg (CL) and Lloris (WC) have won nothing. They have been allowed to dictate and throw Poch (final season) and Mourinho under the bus when he should be asking them to "show me your medals".

We have players who are good enough to win trophies but we do no have a squad or a mentality to do so. When we threw away chances at silverware under Poch we threw away the chance to establish a winning mentality. Nearly winning the CL was okay for some in our squad. We needed to kick on but the manager didn't and the players who would struggle to get into top teams in Europe were allowed to have a greater influence in the dressing room.

I am fortunate to be able to work in the game and I love the history of the sport. When you walk into the clubs Newcastle's success is in black and white, Spurs is 08-99-80s, Everton is 95-mid 80s, Sheff United goes back to the 20s, Huddersfield 30s, Sunderland the 70s, Villa 81.

Walk into Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool even Wigan and Pompey and the photos are of recent successes. I try to explain to younger coaches and players that Burnley were one of the best clubs in England in the 60s, likewise Ipswich Town under Ramsey. They don't want to hear it. The usual refrain is when was the last time Spurs won anything. We need to win things to change the culture around the club.

I am a fan of Mourinho but not at Spurs, however, I want him to be successful. He needs to clear out players that his experience says will not help him win a game 1-0. If that means Dele and Dier then so be it. I want to see him have this Spurs team play his 4-1-4-1 like he did with Chelsea first time and attack at pace - Duff, Robben, etc in full flow. I hated that team, but they were good to watch.

Is there a possibility that Mourinho is yesterday's man? Yes, but it is more likely that Dele, Dier, Rose, Winks, Sissoko are. Back one or support the other. Football is a professional business and cut throat at times. We need to have that mentality now. Back Jose or sack him.

And if we sack him a new manager will give those players time to impress and they will let him down too.

I would like to see Jose go along with that list of players! Jose is a square peg in the round hole that is THFC!!