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Please explain: from where does this faith in Mauricio Pochettino arise?

Mullers

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Not technically poor players, mentally poor. Incapable of a fight when hope is small - same reason for the thrashings. There's no one "Gerrard-like" enough in our team. Kane and Bentaleb are close, but probably don't command enough respect from some of the others due to their age and inexperience.



AVB as good as walked, he didn't get sacked. If you think this is a "dreadful season" then you're beyond persuasion.
Depends where we finish, Liverpool are still within in reach, theoretically at least Man city are within reach or we could end up with 7th or 8th place, which the board and the fans would be none to happy about.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Depends where we finish, Liverpool are still within in reach, theoretically at least Man city are within reach or we could end up with 7th or 8th place, which the board and the fans would be none to happy about.

Tbf I don't think the board will care if we finish 7th/8th this season. Next season they will. But you don't sign a manager on a 5 year contract to judge harshly after only 1 year into it. Especially if in that first year his performance is around par. Next season we should all expect some progress though.
 

PrettyColors

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What worries me is that our end of the season is the exact same one that doomed Southampton's top 4 challenge last season. Inability to formulate a plan B, odd lineups, stagnant tactics, possible burnout (?) - we are falling to the same fate of Soton last year, with a much worse defense.

Improvement is what I want to see; how can we stress development of young players while not expecting the same progression from our manager?
 

Mullers

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Tbf I don't think the board will care if we finish 7th/8th this season. Next season they will. But you don't sign a manager on a 5 year contract to judge harshly after only 1 year into it. Especially if in that first year his performance is around par. Next season we should all expect some progress though.
If we finish below Southampton or/and Swansea they definitely will, we spent 22 million pounds they will definitely want more than finishing 7th or 8th below teams with considerably less resources. I'm not saying dont give him a chance but I see no reason why this season should just be written off.

David Moyes signed a 6 year contract at man u after the first season he was the out the door.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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If we finish below Southampton or/and Swansea they definitely will, we spent 22 million pounds they will definitely want more than finishing 7th or 8th below teams with considerably less resources. I'm not saying dont give him a chance but I see no reason why this season should just be written off.

David Moyes signed a 6 year contract at man u after the first season he was the out the door.

Do you seriously think he'll be sacked if we finish 7th?
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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No but if he finishes 8th it should be strongly considered. And if he finishes 7th he will be on a tight rope next year.

Well I think that will be harsh. You can't employ a manager on a long term contract with the remit of building a young team to develop together and expect him to deliver progress in such a short time frame.

If next season we don't finish above 7th/8th then quite rightly questions should be asked. But if you want short term progress then we should just reemploy Redknapp and and full the team with ageing pros on big contracts. And be stuck with a massive squad rebuilding exercise in a couple seasons time like we were last summer. But this time we won't be splashing the cash because we'll be right in the middle of building a new stadium.
 

Mullers

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Well I think that will be harsh. You can't employ a manager on a long term contract with the remit of building a young team to develop together and expect him to deliver progress in such a short time frame.

If next season we don't finish above 7th/8th then quite rightly questions should be asked. But if you want short term progress then we should just reemploy Redknapp and and full the team with ageing pros on big contracts. And be stuck with a massive squad rebuilding exercise in a couple seasons time like we were last summer. But this time we won't be splashing the cash because we'll be right in the middle of building a new stadium.
I wouldn't expect progress to 5th place but I'd at least expect 6th which is our weight. Southampton got rid of 6 of their best players and have a new manager for them to finish above us is an embarrassment and it's double embarrassment if Swansea finish above us.
 

cliff jones

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yesterday I felt Poch's judgement, and tactical preparations were both highly questionable. No Moussa, again, injured? Soldado first on, when it should have been Ade if we were going route one. Chaos last ten, who was playing where? The players evidently didnt know. Way too light defensively from our own corner, Mason ran a mile before his poor decision to play offside, who was actually on halfway? Normally its Walker, for obvious reasons, without him?

We genuinely can't expect improvement next season, because he's not a great coach and he won't receive great backing from the board who now have their because of the stadium waiver. 6 or 7 again, maybe lower.
 

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Well I think that will be harsh. You can't employ a manager on a long term contract with the remit of building a young team to develop together and expect him to deliver progress in such a short time frame.

If next season we don't finish above 7th/8th then quite rightly questions should be asked. But if you want short term progress then we should just reemploy Redknapp and and full the team with ageing pros on big contracts. And be stuck with a massive squad rebuilding exercise in a couple seasons time like we were last summer. But this time we won't be splashing the cash because we'll be right in the middle of building a new stadium.
Can you think of many of his ageing players on big contracts who were a flop
 

ajspurs

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He won't be sacked regardless of where we finish this season IMO, which would be right. He at least needs next season.

He's made some highly questionable choices for me though. Playing players still when they're well out of form like Eriksen and Chadli. You just know you're going to see the same team as the last time even after multiple poor performances. Freezing players out like Lennon who should still be here, Dembele who should be in our starting line up and even Adebayor who I think could do no less than Soldado on the pitch. Kaboul I'm happy to see the back of to be fair, Capoue I'm not sure, maybe he's not mobile and athletic enough for Poch and the way he wants us to play.
 

Tom Pops

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yesterday I felt Poch's judgement, and tactical preparations were both highly questionable. No Moussa, again, injured? Soldado first on, when it should have been Ade if we were going route one. Chaos last ten, who was playing where? The players evidently didnt know. Way too light defensively from our own corner, Mason ran a mile before his poor decision to play offside, who was actually on halfway? Normally its Walker, for obvious reasons, without him?

We genuinely can't expect improvement next season, because he's not a great coach and he won't receive great backing from the board who now have their because of the stadium waiver. 6 or 7 again, maybe lower.
And yet we could and should have scored at least 2, clearly he did something right
 

cliff jones

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And yet we could and should have scored at least 2, clearly he did something right

agreed, particularly in the first three minutes. Could have been a different game if we'd been more clinical. But points are not accumulated through ifs and buts.

I'm not one of those calling for Mason to be excluded, and also appreciate the game time Poch is getting into Dier- even if he's better at CB. We all thought Rose was shit, with little potential for any improvement, now look at him. It might hurt us in the shorter term to also blood through Alli and Pritchard too. But I hope Poch perseveres with this strategy. Most agree however we do need a little experience in there, and Moussa should be that man IMO- at least for the time being.

All my other points are valid. Or do you have a different view on the lack of systematic cover for the winning goal? Or what he sees in Soldado as first change? He hasn't affected any game as a sub. Poch must be blind not to see this.
 

lukespurs7

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I think it was a very positive performance and if not for Joe Hart we'd have won that game.

We have lost 5-1 at home t Man.City twice in the last 3 years and today looked at least level with them.

we are in need of a few players to improve us but some very positive signs indeed.
 

Mullers

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I think it was a very positive performance and if not for Joe Hart we'd have won that game.

We have lost 5-1 at home t Man.City twice in the last 3 years and today looked at least level with them.

we are in need of a few players to improve us but some very positive signs indeed.
I was fooled into thinking that we had turned the corner against Chelsea and Arsenal. All that has happened is that the players raised their performances for those particular games we have struggled in lesser games. After beating Chelsea we lost our next league game to palace, for example.
 
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