Please explain: from where does this faith in Mauricio Pochettino arise?

[TH1239]

Spot on. Our squad is so average it's unreal. He's integrated some good young players this season.

Yet our "average" squad minus those new "good" homegrown players finished on 69 points last season. We could finish with 58 points this season.

 

[shelfboy68]

You do know we got top 4 twice in recent years?

Of course i know but its not happening again soon look at the state we are currently in.

 

[THOWIG]

Yet our "average" squad minus those new "good" homegrown players finished on 69 points last season. We could finish with 58 points this season.

So we've integrated younger players and finishing with less points?

 

[lukespurs7]

What do you say now @lukespurs7 ?

Not a good result at all but as I've said the squad has been a mess for a while, give the manager the players he wants and needs and then we can judge.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not a good result at all but as I've said the squad has been a mess for a while, give the manager the players he wants and needs and then we can judge.

I dont think the squad is as bad as some think most are not bad players rather the system we have adopted doesnt suit what we have, so why did we stick with it?.
Surely it would have been better to have stayed with something that brought out the best of their abilities rather than show up the limations of their ability.
We didnt really bother our arses to bring in some if his players at the begining of the season nor in january, this was imo a bad decision but one that the club took because they didnt want to spend any money.
So that now we are limping along to the finish line with players that have been alienated or constantly played game in game out whilst clearly out of form regardless,brilliant manangement.

 

[TwanYid]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.

 

[MetalFace D]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.

Although i do agree that there are certain red flags popping about, I'm still confident he's the right manager for us, i will reserve my full opinion on him until the end of the next season.

 

[Monkey boy]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.

Fucking hell dude, you aint half coming across as needy. Chicks really don't dig that kind of persona.

 

[Flashspur]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.

Somebody loves you dude, you got a winner rating. Life's not all that bad is it?

Still dont agree with your OP rant.

 

[Mullers]

Not a good result at all but as I've said the squad has been a mess for a while, give the manager the players he wants and needs and then we can judge.

One of the reasons he was brought in was to get the best out of the summer 2013 signings, he hasn't done that. I would guess right now the board would be a bit reluctant to back him because if he gets the players he wants and there is still no improvement, the situation will be messed up even more.

 

[Mullers]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.

Where are you getting the tyrant bit from?

 

[whitesocks]

Should we really? The current top 4 will spend big and bring in more top class players. Liverpool will spend more than us which leaves us 6th in the pecking order for choice of players. Lets say Poch gets 3-4 of his own players. We still don't have enough for a genuine push for top 4. We will challenge Liverpool for 5-6th again just like this season. I'm not blaming Poch. It doesn't matter who manages our club. We can't compete at top 4 level and financial fair play is a load of bollocks!

The only improvement I expect is a better quality of football on the eye and less mistakes! I'm sickkkkkkk of watching our team make unforced errors.

I agreed with this in that there are no signs that things will improve next season.
We have had a lucky season in many ways.

However posters are taking this same post and saying that we should therefore have no right to ever hope for a top 4 challenge.
They are lowering expectations for next season and will continue to do so, so that if MP manages to spit his gum out and fart within a few strides, they'll be claiming he has surpassed all reasonable goals.

This is the squad that MP perhaps mischievously said should be challenging for the title.
And in recent years we have indeed finished top 4 once or twice.

It is not impossible and I'd go as far as saying that if the players performance matched their reputations then we should be cruising top 4 every year.

 

[ultimateloner]

IMO what is keeping Poch's job:

1) There is no obvious alternative
2) He still has time.
3) Decent persona; he comes across well.

He hasn't delivered enough results-wise. However at our club it might not matter that much. A manager at our club is not a decision maker; his job is to get the most out of the squad. He is Head Coach. He has done that with a few players and alienated a few others who were not great to start with. So he hasn't been a total failure.

 

[cookiemonster]

Not much faith when he was first appointed

Even less now

The inability to organize a defence after a whole season is simply staggering

 

[Breezer]

Not much faith when he was first appointed

Even less now

The inability to organize a defence after a whole season is simply staggering

Considering Poch was a defender during his playing career, you'd think he'd have us semi organised defensively. Yet we're arguably worse than ever. Soft, unorganised, slow, lose most 50/50 tackles and hardly win the second ball. In recent games we look all over the place! One minute our full back are overlapping, next they're sitting deep, then we play with 4 CBs in defence. Where's the cohesion????

However can we blame this all on Poch? The man gives a team talk and 8 secs after kick off our team is conceding a goal from kick off (Newcastle). How about Southampton away? The first goal we conceded was probably worse than Sunday league football. Then we have the first two goals on Saturday. Shocking defending. Zero communication between players and no leaders to give certain players a kick up the ass.

I honestly don't know how we'll sort out this mess in the summer. We need to clear out 8-10 players who are simply not good enough or not wanted by Poch. Will Levy do the business? My faith is probably the lowest it's been in 10 years.

 

[Breezer]

One of the reasons he was brought in was to get the best out of the summer 2013 signings, he hasn't done that. I would guess right now the board would be a bit reluctant to back him because if he gets the players he wants and there is still no improvement, the situation will be messed up even more.

Very true! Bring in the players he wants and we get off to a slow start next season with very little signs of improvement. The pressure will be on. Couple of heavy defeats against the top boys and I can see another AVB situation.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

I think a large part of the problems this year is the fact that poch hasn't had previous experience in European competitions as a manager, this should of been a major consideration seeing as we have by and large been in the uefa for what seems like 10 years running save the ECL season and the season we qualified.

It's a bit shortsighted by our owners.

 

[TwanYid]

Where are you getting the tyrant bit from?

The fact that he has alienated and/or frozen out half the fucking squad.

 

[TwanYid]

Fucking hell dude, you aint half coming across as needy. Chicks really don't dig that kind of persona.

Wait- they don't like it when you whine and act shit upon?

Crap- maybe that's why she got up and left last night, right in the middle of my rant...

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I have to say that I am fucking amazed at how many neg ratings (D'ohs, WTFs, dislikes, etc.) I received for this thread, despite the fact that, looking back on it, what I said was perfectly reasonable and even- dare I say it- tame.

Reading through it now, I see that most people on here actually agree with me- or at least respect what I wrote in the OP- yet hardly anyone in my corner has bothered to check a positive box on my behalf, leading a person who's looking at this thread for the first time to think that what I said was outlandish, ridiculous or highly unpopular.

It doesn't do me any good to have you agree with me yet throw zero support my way. People attacked the fuck out of me for writing this when I did (it was actually an unpopular opinion at the time, as tons on here were still under the delusion that Poch was wonderful and that people like me were assholes for not supporting him and/or questioning "yet another manager"), yet months on no one- and I mean NO ONE- can claim this post to be out of bounds.

You know what? I think Poch was a terrible choice- a stubborn, unimaginative, inflexible tyrant- and we will rue the day we hired him.

There, I said it.