Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

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If it's left up to the PFA then I simply have no hope they'll do the right thing. I expect Arsenal to somehow worm their way back in whilst clubs like Sheff Utd get screwed.

If Arsenal do get any benefits - or any other club that hasn't deserved it - and others get screwed, I'll be taking a long break from following the PL and will prob just follow spurs in Europe and the cups.
 

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If it's left up to the PFA then I simply have no hope they'll do the right thing. I expect Arsenal to somehow worm their way back in whilst clubs like Sheff Utd get screwed.

If Arsenal do get any benefits - or any other club that hasn't deserved it - and others get screwed, I'll be taking a long break from following the PL and will prob just follow spurs in Europe and the cups.
If arsenal get in from the position they are currently in it may well be the sport done for me. Will just show the game to be bent beyond all recognition.
 

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And UEFA have confirmed that sporting merit up to the point of the season being ended, rather than club coefficient or any other method should be the deciding method of clubs playing in their competitions next year.
So anybody holding on the thought of null and void, would mean same teams in Champions League next year can forget it, not happening, only way we get in it is season resuming and us winning maybe 8 out of 9 games.
We’re 4 pts behind United and have to play them. So winning 8 of 9 is clearly nonsense. Plus that UEFA statement is incredibly vague and contradictory. They say sporting merit and in the next paragraph literally say if you can’t do that just think of something as long as it looks fair. A good lawyer would rip that to pieces on so many levels. Let alone there won’t even be CL/EL next season. The worst of this will be this Autumn/winter.
 

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well let's hope if they do void and decide it on sporting merits they don't do it on points per game. Arsenal have 10 fixtures left and 4 of those are away to teams in the top 10, and 2 at home 1 being Liverpool and with the toughest finish our of the top 10
 

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Arsenal haven't won away to anyone in the top half of the table AT ALL since 2017 (even in the couple of seasons before that the record isn't much better), and they needed to go to Man City, Wolves and to the Lane, as well as having Liverpool and Leicester left to play at home. Without question they had a much tougher run-in than us, but with this points per game thing they'd finish above us despite a strong chance we'd have been able to turn things around with the games played. On top of that, given that we've had to go to the Emirates, Old Trafford and the King Power to play teams with home advantage that are competing with us for European spots, the only fair thing would also be for those teams to have to come to our place and play in front of our crowd as well. If we deny that, then the whole premise of the league is compromised. Either it finishes in its entirety, or the result is invalid.

That being said, unless this Oxford vaccine is miraculously fast-tracked, proven safe, developed and then managed to be distributed around the world in record time, we are not going to see the return of football sized crowds for a long time now. Which means talk of qualification for 2020-21 season European qualification is completely irrelevant - we're not going to be up and running by next season. They are better off planning THIS season's CL final for May 2021 and just carrying on from there. The problem is player contracts of course, once they've expired we're into a whole legal can of worms especially when the transfer window re-opens. By the time football re-starts again, lots of players will be hopelessly out of shape. Many players, managers and coaches will have lost their passion for the game. Momentum in teams will be gone. The clubs that come back could be completely different to those that went into lockdown, meaning that how a team was performing back in August 2019 would be barely relevant to how good they are when we re-start again, to which you might well say why should we be determining who our best and most worthy teams to play in Europe are based around that kind of thing?
 

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Guys, I've just figured out how we get fully Spursy'd.

26th of November. Jose's first home game in charge. And after just 20 minutes, we're 2-0 down at home to Olympiakos. If that result had held, we'd have finished third and been eliminated. But heroically, we turned it around, and despite only really needing a draw, we won 4-2. Things were looking up again. Olympiakos dropped into the Europa League.

27th of Feburary. Olympiakos have drawn Arsenal in the Europa League, and perform heroics of their own to win at the Emirates and knock out the Arsenal. Fantastic! But unbeknowest to everyone, their chairman had coronavirus, and spent time with Arsenal players and staff after the game.

7th of March. Mourinho has bemoned the build-up of important fixtures, and gone on record saying that he cannot realistically aim to win in the league and the Champions League in the same week. Following an awful first half, Tottenham are held to a 1-1 draw at Burnley.

11th of March. Arsenal are in torid form, and set to travel to the reigning champions. Following the news from Greece however, Man City vs Arsenal is called off, despite other games still going ahead at that point. A few days later, Arteta is confirmed to have the virus, and the Premier League is suspended.

What next?

With it appearing less and less likely that the league can resume, points per game are used to determine final results. Had Tottenham not had the distraction of the Champions League, they may well have won that game at Burnley and been clear of Arsenal. In any case, had the City-Arsenal match have gone ahead, anything other than the least likely of away wins would have seen Arsenal finish behind the Spurs yet again. Instead, Arsenal claim the better record, and Tottenham fall to 9th.

Spurs know that had they not turned that Olympiakos game around and instead surrended meekly to a 2-0 loss, they would nearly certainly have finished above Arsenal, qualified for Europe, and helped secured their future in uncertain times. But instead, they are screwed over by a sequence of events that nobody whatsoever could have possibly foreseen, and indeed by their own success.
 

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They really won't mate.

If you think the government will ignore the medical/scientific advice and put football before the safety of the greater public you're being naive.

Ultimately the people behind the medical and scientific advise are those who will guide this all, and they've no obligation to put the convenience of football at the forefront of their guidance.
I'm not sure about that.

It's come out that the initial strategy was down to the government's instinct that people would be happy to see 100000 deaths and no lockdown - and then their volte-face was not because of the imperial report but because of focus groups telling them that people actually valued human life.

If the mood in the country swings around to 'give me football and give me death', they'll open grounds, science be damned.
 

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I'm not sure about that.

It's come out that the initial strategy was down to the government's instinct that people would be happy to see 100000 deaths and no lockdown - and then their volte-face was not because of the imperial report but because of focus groups telling them that people actually valued human life.

If the mood in the country swings around to 'give me football and give me death', they'll open grounds, science be damned.
That's absurd.
 

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TBH i'm at the stage where I couldn't really care less how they sort it out now.

When they eventually come to a decision, whatever decision, some people in this thread will be incandescent with rage, calling foul, corruption and conspiracy
Fuck that.
 

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Anyone know howl omg we are letting the NHS use the stadium? Can't see us kicking them out if this is going on still to play behind closed door games.
 

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the recent football history tells me that if we are not in Europe at all it will help us cope with the domestic competitions better on the other side of the coin if we do get into Europe then OK we will manage somehow but I don't want Europe by default if the season is void then fine we will be in the champions league but any other system they come up with will be flawed and so for me F Europe .
Not least because any contrived way of deciding will probably mean Sheff Unt won't be in Europe and for me to see Arsenal who along with us have not earned a spot in Europe will be grossly unfair but I can except " unfair " if the league is void as for a multitude of reasons its the decision that makes most sense but football management and common sense just do not go together .
This virus and its aftermath regards football is going to be a sight behold when the 2022 World Cup comes round because the corrupt EUFA and FIFA people are only interested in money just note their world club cup idea . They will come up with some kind of solution where the season before after and during 2022 will be carnage but as long as it earns them money they will go with it and Arab oil money countries are the only ones that can spend tens of billions with no fear ; whilst still treating the building trade workers like slaves they are the worst kind of racists .Sorry for the rant I am just going stir crazy.
 

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Anyone know howl omg we are letting the NHS use the stadium? Can't see us kicking them out if this is going on still to play behind closed door games.
Well firstly the NHS aren't using the pitch or areas where maybe the 300 or so people that would be allowed in ground (player, press, cameramen) would require, and secondly games would in all likelihood not be held at the stadium anyway, more likely training grounds or even neutral venues, the many pitches of St Georges Park, and other grounds in that vicinity is a suggestion that is being touted around to hold all remaining games, to limit travel, with players tested regularly and quarantined as such between games.
Think we will have good idea after seeing how the Bundesliga and Austrian Leagues approach things over next couple of weeks. All eyes will be on them.
 
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TBH i'm at the stage where I couldn't really care less how they sort it out now.

When they eventually come to a decision, whatever decision, some people in this thread will be incandescent with rage, calling foul, corruption and conspiracy
Fuck that.
Whatever happens you wont be able to please everyone.
 

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That's absurd.
Don't be so sure.

From the Reuters article:

The scientists’ reasoning: Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn’t accept such restrictions.
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“We had milder interventions in place,” said Edmunds, because no one thought it would be acceptable politically “to shut the country down.” He added: “We didn’t model it because it didn’t seem to be on the agenda.
At its heart it's not really a scientific issue but a political one. If, due to economic and social pressure, they need to reopen stadia, then scientific advice can be applied to how it can be done within acceptable parameters.

The pressure for a reckless reopening of stadia is already present in the US, with the president, Fox news and these astro-turf demonstrations. It's unlikely that impulse is going to lessen, especially as the death and infection rate fall. I wouldn't bet against such sentiments creeping into to Britain before too long.
 

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I wish they would just make the call to end the season and the current positions are the final positions - give Liverpool the title, promote Leeds, etc. and just get on with it.

They need to start planning for how next season is going to work because right now I can't even see that being a thing right now.
 

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I wish they would just make the call to end the season and the current positions are the final positions - give Liverpool the title, promote Leeds, etc. and just get on with it.

They need to start planning for how next season is going to work because right now I can't even see that being a thing right now.
That will be plan Z, absolutely no chance that happens in my opinion. They'll be so much litigation.
 

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Don't be so sure.

From the Reuters article:



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At its heart it's not really a scientific issue but a political one. If, due to economic and social pressure, they need to reopen stadia, then scientific advice can be applied to how it can be done within acceptable parameters.

The pressure for a reckless reopening of stadia is already present in the US, with the president, Fox news and these astro-turf demonstrations. It's unlikely that impulse is going to lessen, especially as the death and infection rate fall. I wouldn't bet against such sentiments creeping into to Britain before too long.
Economic and social pressure will be secondary to the health of the general public.

If it can be done where that's not compromised then reopening stadia will be viable.

But until the medical advise recommends its ok to do so, it just won't be happening.
 

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Don't be so sure.

From the Reuters article:



and



At its heart it's not really a scientific issue but a political one. If, due to economic and social pressure, they need to reopen stadia, then scientific advice can be applied to how it can be done within acceptable parameters.

The pressure for a reckless reopening of stadia is already present in the US, with the president, Fox news and these astro-turf demonstrations. It's unlikely that impulse is going to lessen, especially as the death and infection rate fall. I wouldn't bet against such sentiments creeping into to Britain before too long.
Economic pressure is one thing but football doesn't really boost the economy, people can get by without watching football, it's not that important.

Sorry people just aren't seeing this shit for what it is and there's a lot of wishful thinking going on, football is fucked the the foreseeable, until we're over this pandemic we're potentially not going to see any form of football for a long time.
 
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