Ratings vs Leicester (FA Cup)

[UpTownSpur]

Typical cup performance in many ways this season, we never seem quite as committed as we are in league games and doubt that will change till at least the quarter finals in either competition.

MOTM goes to Carroll for me, kept the game ticking over nicely. Thought Wimmer looked decent and showed he's a good passer. Onomah showed a lot of potential. Nice to see Chadli back, and though still rusty, showed in glimpses what a threat he can be. Upside of the replay is that it will be chance for players like him, Trippier, Wimmer and Onomah to get some more minutes and increase their sharpness.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

How the fuck was Onomah worse than Son?

Agree.. That would be a remarkable achievement

 

[gp13tot]

Vorm 5

Trips 6
Rose 7
Toby 6.5
Wimmer 6

Dier 7
Carroll 7
Onomah 6.5
Chadli 6
Eriksen 7.5

Son 6

Kane 6
Alli 5
Bentaleb 6

 

[oskathegobshite]

Vorm 5.5
Trippier 7
Alderweireld 5.5
Wimmer 6
Rose 6
Dier 6
Carroll 7.5
Eriksen 7.5
Chadli 6
Onomah 6
Son 6

 

[Chris12]

Bit shocked with the average ratings of Wimmer. Thought we was good today and definitely has a good passing range. Toby was poor though which was a shame, at fault for both goals.

Also didn't think Rose was that great, puts some poor balls in the box and some poor passing. Did very well though to win penalty and was happy he got captaincy even though only for about 70 mins (or whenever Kane came on)

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Carroll is looking tidy to me. He showed today, that he has a superb eye for a pass, forwards. He doesn't shirk either. He may be a touch light, but I don't think the overall impact of that really has much of a negative impact. Motm for me.

Today, I wanted to see out AM3 use some of his clever passes, with some much needed added speed. He'd often orchestrate a fantastic attacking opportunity, but our lads are a bit too slow on the uptake.

Today anyway. I thought we needed to make a few more 1 touch passes to increase the tempo. Especially in attack. Most of which were really well structured, but needed t be played much quicker, especially when Leicester put the entire team behind the ball. I'm not talking about running speed, more in terms of playing the ball.

Of note, I thought Toby missed Jan and Hugo. Not a good day at the office.

Vorm, whilst wasn't really to blame for the goals, just doesn't fill me with confidence.

Rose was very good.

Son, hmmm. Where's the goal machine I thought we had when he first started? It's in there somewhere. Perhaps needs to play different position.

Onomah was ok, especially considering his position.

 

[Show Pony]

Im struggling with Carroll.

He is playing in a position which is pivotal to the success of our team working. He isn't ready for it yet (and not sure he is ever more than a squad player) hence us being blunt with lots of possession.

Once he went off, we started actually making some real chances not wayward off target shots or balls that just bounced to the keeper oones

 

[countryboy]

loads of ball,just did mot seem to have the spark to finish them off, but could have lost so onward and upward etc... They parked the bus , and we could not find a way around it ...

 

[countryboy]

think Hugo might have saved the second goal but only a thought

 

[mpickard2087]

Vorm - Didn't really have much to do over the 90 minutes. No chance with the first goal and the second was bundled past him at the second attempt from point blank range.

Trippier - I wasn't impressed today, I have to say. His one quality seems to be that he might deliver a half decent cross once in a while. The rest of his game with the ball at his feet is extremely average in my opinion, and he wasted a lot of opportunities to run with the ball and attack space today. Defensively he switches off or is slow to read the game too often and I thought he was culpable for starting a chain reaction that led to the second goal by charging out of the defensive line and allowing them to work the ball in behind us. Must do better in my opinion.

Alderweireld - By his standards a poor game. Lost his man for the equaliser, then for the second was made to look pretty silly being totally wrong footed and ending up on his backside.

Wimmer - Generally ok and sprayed the ball around nicely at times, particularly early on. Get the impression though that he's a defender who would much rather have the ball at his feet than doing the nitty gritty stuff like aerial challenges where I thought he looked a bit timid at times.

Rose - Very tenacious and energetic. Offered good width on the left and got into some great positions. You just wish that his final ball was better. One day...

Dier - Wasn't the most noticeable but ok. With Leicester sitting so deep was barely required.

Carroll - Had a decent, composed game and picked out several nice passes, particularly to set Rose into space. I think it was also his pass through the lines that started the opening goal. Felt he was going well and shouldn't have been subbed. I think he was a little slow to see the danger for their second goal but it was on his blindside and I blame Trippier more for charging out of the line.

Eriksen - Tidy finish for the goal. After that was ok and involved without being particularly spectacular or incisive.

Onomah - Promising start to the game and was composed throughout, however I thought he struggled to find his role in the team today and couldn't get as involved as he would have probably liked. I also think he understandably ran out of steam after about 60-65 minutes and probably should have been subbed.

Chadli - Standard Chadli performance really. Couple of good moments but on the whole lacking in purpose and you just want to see more from him.

Son - He's more than capable of taking up good positions and finding pockets of space, but as is his way he dithered, dithered and dithered a bit more. Needs to be more decisive and clinical.

Subs:

Bentaleb - Saw some criticism of him, why I'm not really sure. Was fine when he came on.

Kane - Barely touched the ball. Then dispatched the penalty.

Alli - Nearly ghosted in behind once but little time to get involved apart from that.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Right, I was at the game today (first time in the North Stand, I much preferred it there to where I have sat previously) and I always seem to have different perspectives than when I watch on TV, so I might be posting bollocks:

Vorm- 5.75- Doesn't deserve the amount hate he's been getting today IMO. He had one dodgy pass (let's face it, it's not like Lloris doesn't) and from what I could see, couldn't have done anything for either goal. My mind has slightly changed after watching the BBC highlights though, as for the second goal he maybe should have done better for Okazaki's first shot as it goes straight back to him, I'm not sure what else he could have done though.

Trippier- 6- Some decent attempted crosses, can't work out who's at fault for the 1st goal, but he may be one of the main culprits.

Toby- 5.5- Again, I couldn't see at the game, but having watched the highlights, he definitely gets rekt by Okazaki for the second goal, so he's certainly at fault to some degree. For the first goal, he's also someone who could be seen as responsible but Chadli's definitely pulling his shirt.

Wimmer- 7- Good performance- his passing will reach Toby level one day.

Rose- 7- Don't quite see how people think he was MOTM. He certainly wasn't bad at all, didn't seem to make any defensive errors, and won the penalty (kind of) but his final ball was still lacking.

Dier- 6- Meh. Shouldn't have started IMO. He should have done better when putting the ball out for a corner, but the defending in the box was so calamitous that you can't blame him IMO.

Carroll- 8- Thought he was very good today-Probably MOTM. At the ground, people seem to ignore all the good passes he makes and focus on the one bad pass. I don't think taking him off made too much of a difference, but he seems to have a great knack for finding the full-backs, which is of course very important. Does still seem slightly weak though IMO, but he's certainly winning me over.

Eriksen- 6.5- Good goal, not as influential as one would hope though.

Onomah- 7.5- A lot of people seem to be giving him fairly low ratings today, but I can't understand it. After the game I certainly thought a case could be made for him being our best player. Yes, sometimes he seems to fall on his feet, but he was very important for our first goal. For an 18-year-old making only his second start, he didn't look out of place at all. He works hard and tries to be positive, and overall is was a good performance.

Chadli- 6- I've never advocated selling him, and still don't. I've always said that he's important because he may do fuck all, but he scores goals. However, when he doesn't score goals, like throughout much of this season (yes I know he's been injured and on the bench) and today, what's the point of him playing? I will say he worked harder than usual today, but again his final product was lacking and whenever we have a semblance of a counter-attack, it seems to go wrong when Chadli has the ball. I suppose his shot did lead to the first goal...*shrugs*.

Son-5- Our worst player today. I don't think he's shit whatsoever, but he's not a striker. Neither is Chadli. Neither is N'Jie. Neither is Alli (FFS BC). Difficult to place that much blame for him as he was out of position, but he seemed indecisive and didn't create many opportunities. He's still adapting of course, disappointing to see some of our idiot fans dismissing him already, which is fucking nuts after it's been proven on so many occasions that players just need time. But it proves, yet again, that we need a striker. So frustrating.

Edit- Forgot about subs:

Bentaleb- 6.75- Good considering the circumstances. Can't for the life of me understand the criticism.

Kane- 6.75- Did fuck all but scored a penalty in the 89th minute, which takes balls.

Alli- NET?- Literally did fuck all apart from a good heading chance.

It was a good game, Leicester did fuck all and parked the bus. Fucking hilarious how their 'handball' bollocks backfired. We should've won for our dominance but we didn't create enough good chances, we have struggled for a long time with trying to penetrate the defence when everyone in the opposition is behind the ball. Atmosphere was great at times as well. Fuming that we gave away a lead again though.

Hope we smash these ****s on Wednesday. They piss me off.

 

[lukespurs7]

How the fuck was Onomah worse than Son?

End product.

 

[Chris12]

End product.

Son scored?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

End product.

Which Son of course displayed in abundance today.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

BTW, BBC have given Okazaki MOTM. ha.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Good - Carroll and Wimmer, Carroll motm, ran the midfield. Wimmer I thought had a good game, solid, good passing range and excellent on the ball.

Bad - Toby, at fault for both goals, very poor day all round. Son, not a CF, so many crosses from Rose and Trippier and he was nowhere to be seen, kept dropping off into midfield. Really surprised he was kept on tbh.

I think the second leg will be good to get some more game time for some of our squad players, give Bentaleb, Onomah, Chadli etc the full 90.

 

[IGSpur]

Right, I was at the game today (first time in the North Stand, I much preferred it there to where I have sat previously) and I always seem to have different perspectives than when I watch on TV, so I might be posting bollocks:

Vorm- 5.75- Doesn't deserve the amount hate he's been getting today IMO. He had one dodgy pass (let's face it, it's not like Lloris doesn't) and from what I could see, couldn't have done anything for either goal. My mind has slightly changed after watching the BBC highlights though, as for the second goal he maybe should have done better for Okazaki's first shot as it goes straight back to him, I'm not sure what else he could have done though.

Trippier- 6- Some decent attempted crosses, can't work out who's at fault for the 1st goal, but he may be one of the main culprits.

Toby- 5.5- Again, I couldn't see at the game, but having watched the highlights, he definitely gets rekt by Okazaki for the second goal, so he's certainly at fault to some degree. For the first goal, he's also someone who could be seen as responsible but Chadli's definitely pulling his shirt.

Wimmer- 7- Good performance- his passing will reach Toby level one day.

Rose- 7- Don't quite see how people think he was MOTM. He certainly wasn't bad at all, didn't seem to make any defensive errors, and won the penalty (kind of) but his final ball was still lacking.

Dier- 6- Meh. Shouldn't have started IMO. He should have done better when putting the ball out for a corner, but the defending in the box was so calamitous that you can't blame him IMO.

Carroll- 8- Thought he was very good today-Probably MOTM. At the ground, people seem to ignore all the good passes he makes and focus on the one bad pass. I don't think taking him off made too much of a difference, but he seems to have a great knack for finding the full-backs, which is of course very important. Does still seem slightly weak though IMO, but he's certainly winning me over.

Eriksen- 6.5- Good goal, not as influential as one would hope though.

Onomah- 7.5- A lot of people seem to be giving him fairly low ratings today, but I can't understand it. After the game I certainly thought a case could be made for him being our best player. Yes, sometimes he seems to fall on his feet, but he was very important for our first goal. For an 18-year-old making only his second start, he didn't look out of place at all. He works hard and tries to be positive, and overall is was a good performance.

Chadli- 6- I've never advocated selling him, and still don't. I've always said that he's important because he may do fuck all, but he scores goals. However, when he doesn't score goals, like throughout much of this season (yes I know he's been injured and on the bench) and today, what's the point of him playing? I will say he worked harder than usual today, but again his final product was lacking and whenever we have a semblance of a counter-attack, it seems to go wrong when Chadli has the ball. I suppose his shot did lead to the first goal...*shrugs*.

Son-5- Our worst player today. I don't think he's shit whatsoever, but he's not a striker. Neither is Chadli. Neither is N'Jie. Neither is Alli (FFS BC). Difficult to place that much blame for him as he was out of position, but he seemed indecisive and didn't create many opportunities. He's still adapting of course, disappointing to see some of our idiot fans dismissing him already, which is fucking nuts after it's been proven on so many occasions that players just need time. But it proves, yet again, that we need a striker. So frustrating.

Edit- Forgot about subs:

Bentaleb- 6.75- Good considering the circumstances. Can't for the life of me understand the criticism.

Kane- 6.75- Did fuck all but scored a penalty in the 89th minute, which takes balls.

Alli- NET?- Literally did fuck all apart from a good heading chance.

It was a good game, Leicester did fuck all and parked the bus. Fucking hilarious how their 'handball' bollocks backfired. We should've won for our dominance but we didn't create enough good chances, we have struggled for a long time with trying to penetrate the defence when everyone in the opposition is behind the ball. Atmosphere was great at times as well. Fuming that we gave away a lead again though.

Hope we smash these ****s on Wednesday. They piss me off.

Think you're pretty much spot on with all of these, some people getting unnecessary criticism. Also surprised by Onomah's generally low score, think he was heavily involved in a lot of our good moments, tired near the end but did well for his 2nd start against a PL team in the top 4

 

[Chris12]

Think you're pretty much spot on with all of these, some people getting unnecessary criticism. Also surprised by Onomah's generally low score, think he was heavily involved in a lot of our good moments, tired near the end but did well for his 2nd start against a PL team in the top 4

Seemed to slip quite often. Was odd. But I agree, played a nice quick ball to Chadli for the first goal. Cool. Good chat.

 

[IGSpur]

Seemed to slip quite often. Was odd. But I agree, played a nice quick ball to Chadli for the first goal. Cool. Good chat.

Think it was a bit of over eagerness. Not going to lie but he panics near/in the box I think he is thinking of what he is going to do rather than focusing on what he is doing at the moment leading to him getting tangled up and looking clumsy. That will change with time when he hopefully learns a bit more composure in the box

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think the team selection today was pretty good and I don't have too many grumbles with it. This was a game we just thoroughy dominated, and I know we didn't create too much of real quality, I don't really think it was much to do with our team selections as we haven't created much of quality in the last two games either. It was as much to do with the way Leicester set up and our usual wasteful carelessness, especially the full backs who repeatedly got into good positions - which applies to the first choice group as well most weeks. Of course Son isn't Kane, but considering the guy has only had a couple of starts, I thought he did a very acceptable job. Worked hard, pressed well, saw a fair bit of the ball in build up and was generally very involved. Sure, he wasn't foot perfect but what do we expect from a guy who's hardly played any regular football, up against a bus park, and lets not pretend that Kane's foot perfect every week either.

Generally speaking it was a very good performance from a rotated and young team, against an obdurate bus park opponent, until Pochettino did his usual fuck himself up the arse tactical substitutions and turned the game into a fucking mess. The simplest and most obvious sub to make with us trailing by a goal with 20 minutes to go would surely have been to just swap the fairly moribund Dier for Alli? Leave Carroll on there who was spraying the ball about really well, tell Alli to do his bombing on from deep thing and support the attack and maybe, if Rose could possibly hit a barn door with one of the fucking banjos he kept swinging with, he might have got on the end of something. Taking Carroll off was utter tactical lunacy. We ended up with a kind of 4114, Alli ended up being shunted up next to Kane again as a result Kane barely has any influence and they just bang around in the same spaces, Onomah, who had been having a good game gets shunted out to the left and disappears from the game, Eriksen ends up somewhere in the nether land between CM and AM, it was just a fucking mockery of three shams.

It's like you get 60 minutes of Bielsa light and 20 minutes of fucking Roberto Martinez tactical surrealism every game.

I thought both goals were just silly fucking goals that we haven't conceded much this year. Really unlike Alderweireld to get done at a corner, and the second the guy fools him with a body swerve that I don't even think he meant and then gets lucky with the rebound.

There's no way we deserved not to win that game, we might not of created much but neither did they, and they only touched the ball about 12 fucking times. Now we end up with another game we could do without

I thought Carroll was easily our best player on the day, sprayed the ball about well and split lines with some incisive stuff too, I thought Wimmer looked very comfortable, Onomah for an 18yo having his second start was also very good, fluffed his lines a couple of times when close to the goal, but other than that saw plenty of ball, kept a cool head, played a lovely little cushioned pass for Chadli that lead to the first goal and worked hard off it to win it back. I though Chadli was very Chadli, looked very threatening at times and very unthreatening at others.

Individual stuff:

Vorm - OK

Trippier - Bit disappointing really. Not just his inability to get something decent into the box, but a few times he wasted chances to play good passes when people had made runs down the channel for him.

Alderweireld - The two goals aside was OK. But a part in both so not his best day at the office.

Wimmer - Very decent and solid performance for a guy who rarely plays I thought.

Rose - Ok defensively but offensively was fucking woeful. gets into good positions but didn't do the composed thing once. Either crosses the ball without looking or when he did try to find someone he'd whack it at them so it was impossible to control (Chadli I think).

Dier - OK, but I would have swapped him for Alli as my first sub.

Carroll - Was the man pulling strings against the Leicester Bus park, taking him off was daft.

Eriksen - Again, seemed to be pushed right quite a lot, which really doesn't suit him but when he interchanged and drifted in he was OK. After the subs he just got lost in the chaos.

Onomah - Very decent game for an 18yo having only his second start and for me is a much better fit for that ACM role than Alli in terms of his all round game, or certainly will be with games under his belt, but Alli does have more belief, presence and conviction when he's bombing into the box.

Chadli - Your pretty standard Chadli really, some very promising attacking moments, not a bad game all in all and I would have probably left him on.

Son - I thought he did fine, especially for a guy making a rare ad hoc start, against a Leicester sat deep, and we've all seen Kane bumble about pretty unproductively so lets not pretend the chasm was that wide in what he offered compared to Kane. His energy was good, his work of the ball was good and he saw plenty of it in approach play and build up. And when Kane came on absolutely nothing changed and we looked no more like creating anything of quality.

Subs - None really changed the game for the better, but the way they were tactically applied and players they replaced just made that inevitable.