I don't think anyone would have brought Lamela on, especially after we conceded the goal and the control of the game. And I think the Sherwood substitutions looked strange at first glance. Bentaleb on for our defensive midfelder? And Kane for Soldado was a clear admission of "we're going to hang on tight". The Adebayor sub was forced, so I think that was fine. If only we hadn't conceded their goal, then we'd have been crusing, and Lamela would have had a chance for a good run out. Oh well.
I probably would had played Lamela left and move Eriksen behind the striker going 4411 and keep more possession.... Kane was strolling after coming on and I thought Capoue played well pressing the MF. I seriously don't know why Bentelab and Kane would had changed or improved our game. I was pulling out my hair when TS made those subs....
Anyway a win is OT is still a great results. Hope Sherwood knows what he is doing.
From the report I've just read it made out that Capoue was maybe flagging a bit, I guess he hasn't had much football so maybe that sub was kind of forced, was Holtby on the bench?
I'm not a big fan of Kane at all so I'm sure there would have had to be serious thinking behind that one, but maybe again it was an option of fresh legs? Is there any news on Adebayor's injury yet?
I'm sure I saw someone saying that Rose gave an underrated performance since you need to take into account that he had the majority of attacks down his side. So they might have voted for him.Who the fuck voted for Rose?
I'm sure I saw someone saying that Rose gave an underrated performance since you need to take into account that he had the majority of attacks down his side. So they might have voted for him.
My view on that is they decided that the wouldn't get any joy against Walker whatsoever, so they chose to pick on Rose, and he couldn't deal with Januzaj. If Man Utd had started pressing 5 or 10 minutes earlier, they probably would have equalised.
I thought Rose was good covering those gaps left by Eriksen.... Moyes knew Eriksen will drift inside.
In this game I would had preferred Dembele give Rose more cover but he was running left to right....LOL
And when Soldado does eventually get into the groove in terms of finding the net I think we'll give out a few hammerings.
Eriksen wasn't 'drifting' inside (sorry if English isn't your native language - I'm not sure what language they speak in Singapore - but if it isn't then know that drifting suggests he was doing it without really thinking.) - Eriksen was coming inside purposefully (and probably told by Tim to) to ensure there wasn't any space for Man Utd through the middle. This means that while the middle is secure, it means that fullbacks and wingers are one on one and Rose didn't have his best game.
That was brilliant, what a wonderful performance, tactical genius. We've got our Tottenham back, playing the Tottenham way, the way the fans want to see them play.
If you believe that, you probably believe in Santa and the fucking tooth fairy. And you are probably marking everyone 8's, 9's and 10's.
The unpalatable truth is that that was a pretty dire performance from start to finish. We controlled none of it, not even defensively, we didn't even press properly. We just sat deep and surrendered the ball. They were allowed time and acres of space all over the pitch and I can't remember a game, any game, any time, when so many crosses were allowed into a penalty box without the slightest pressure on the ball. We had four shots on target, all created on the break and got extremely lucky that two found the net and that this Utd are a shadow of the old Utd.
I don't mind dropping the high line but some sort of line would be good. And we have reverted to not pressing the ball at all. Lennon wasted a brilliant chance and got very lucky his cross deflected and and slowed so Eriksen could dart in and score. I don't think he roasted Evra once, and saw the ball less than everyone else in our side - one of the many reasons we had so little of the game.
Eriksen saw the most ball of anyone, set up a goal and scored a real poachers goal. A good contribution but gave Rose so little help.
I think the Capoue sub was mental. By all means bring Bentaleb on but take off an attacker and give us some semblance of competition in the middle of the pitch.
Sherwoods tactics are, so far, scarily identical to Redknapp's, and even his pre match is starting to sound the same "it's just about the players going out there and enjoying themselves". No it fucking isn't.
I love see in players express themselves, but I also want to see them work hard off the ball, press properly, and defend and attack coherently too.
Great win. Like last year's was a great win. Neither were great performances.
Individual stuff
Lloris - Some poor decisions, like punching outside and flying out to Young, but a couple of good saves. Very mixed bag.
Walker - Defensively good today. Hilarious flap/clap at ball sailing over his head. He does know he's not Uri Geller right ?
Dawson - Dawson
Chiriches - A very decent performance (After recent games quite unexpected) under immense pressure. Beautiful ball out of defence for the second goal, took ManU out of the game.
Rose - Wasn't great, and allowed shitloads of ball into our box, but Eriksen gave him very little help and he was exposed quite a lot.
Lennon - Some may be bamboozled by two or three eye catching moments (followed on most cases by the usual wastage) did well to get into position for the second goal but very lucky his cross bounces off their guy. Must be more involved in games.
Capoue - Tough place to make your first start in CM for a while and started very shakily, but gradually grew into the game. Still not outstanding, but did a pretty good job on Rooney and shouldn't have gone off IMO.
Dembele - OK.
Eriksen - Real sharp bit of poaching for his goal and a decent ball for Adebayor. Also saw more ball than anyone else in our side. Needed to help Rose much more.
Adebayor - Looked like his head was pickled first 20 minutes, then scored then was everywhere putting in a good shift.
Soldado - Worked hard, ball of the game for Lennon.
I really hope these first few games aren't indicative of what's ahead. Good one week, shit the next, often good and shit all in the same 90. I know "they" will enjoy it. It just doesn't do it for me.
Rose was shocking really, didn't stop a single cross all game.
I'd hate to see the stats on successful crosses from the right from them, would be near 100% I'd guess.
Finally, some semblance of sense. The win masked a lot of deficiencies, and the substitutions werent very clever as well. Had United equalised, the mood here wouldve been very much different.
Yes, we won. I'm happy. Ecstatic with the 3 points. But it was NOT a good performance. MU have withered and were poor. Liverpool or Man City would still have beaten us soundly (maybe not 5-0 or 6-0)
The stats tell us some things....
MU----------------------SPURS
16------Total Shots-------9
6-----Shots on Target-----4
82%---Pass Success-----72%
53%----Aerial Success---47%
8---------Dribbles---------6
16-------Tackles----------23
Possession
61%---------------------39%
I think we lose the ball too often
I dont remember Redknapp playing a 442/433 hybrid lets be honest. Redknapp relied on the counter alot against stoke they didnt get out of their own half and tried to exploit the high line.That was brilliant, what a wonderful performance, tactical genius. We've got our Tottenham back, playing the Tottenham way, the way the fans want to see them play.
If you believe that, you probably believe in Santa and the fucking tooth fairy. And you are probably marking everyone 8's, 9's and 10's.
The unpalatable truth is that that was a pretty dire performance from start to finish. We controlled none of it, not even defensively, we didn't even press properly. We just sat deep and surrendered the ball. They were allowed time and acres of space all over the pitch and I can't remember a game, any game, any time, when so many crosses were allowed into a penalty box without the slightest pressure on the ball. We had four shots on target, all created on the break and got extremely lucky that two found the net and that this Utd are a shadow of the old Utd.
I don't mind dropping the high line but some sort of line would be good. And we have reverted to not pressing the ball at all. Lennon wasted a brilliant chance and got very lucky his cross deflected and and slowed so Eriksen could dart in and score. I don't think he roasted Evra once, and saw the ball less than everyone else in our side - one of the many reasons we had so little of the game.
Eriksen saw the most ball of anyone, set up a goal and scored a real poachers goal. A good contribution but gave Rose so little help.
I think the Capoue sub was mental. By all means bring Bentaleb on but take off an attacker and give us some semblance of competition in the middle of the pitch.
Sherwoods tactics are, so far, scarily identical to Redknapp's, and even his pre match is starting to sound the same "it's just about the players going out there and enjoying themselves". No it fucking isn't.
I love see in players express themselves, but I also want to see them work hard off the ball, press properly, and defend and attack coherently too.
Great win. Like last year's was a great win. Neither were great performances.
Individual stuff
Lloris - Some poor decisions, like punching outside and flying out to Young, but a couple of good saves. Very mixed bag.
Walker - Defensively good today. Hilarious flap/clap at ball sailing over his head. He does know he's not Uri Geller right ?
Dawson - Dawson
Chiriches - A very decent performance (After recent games quite unexpected) under immense pressure. Beautiful ball out of defence for the second goal, took ManU out of the game.
Rose - Wasn't great, and allowed shitloads of ball into our box, but Eriksen gave him very little help and he was exposed quite a lot.
Lennon - Some may be bamboozled by two or three eye catching moments (followed on most cases by the usual wastage) did well to get into position for the second goal but very lucky his cross bounces off their guy. Must be more involved in games.
Capoue - Tough place to make your first start in CM for a while and started very shakily, but gradually grew into the game. Still not outstanding, but did a pretty good job on Rooney and shouldn't have gone off IMO.
Dembele - OK.
Eriksen - Real sharp bit of poaching for his goal and a decent ball for Adebayor. Also saw more ball than anyone else in our side. Needed to help Rose much more.
Adebayor - Looked like his head was pickled first 20 minutes, then scored then was everywhere putting in a good shift.
Soldado - Worked hard, ball of the game for Lennon.
I really hope these first few games aren't indicative of what's ahead. Good one week, shit the next, often good and shit all in the same 90. I know "they" will enjoy it. It just doesn't do it for me.
I dont remember Redknapp playing a 442/433 hybrid lets be honest. Redknapp relied on the counter alot against stoke they didnt get out of their own half and tried to exploit the high line.
Just because you look crazy, act crazy and people think you are crazy, doesnt mean you are crazy. Some times letting people underestimate you or even saying the right things to get the best of your players doesnt mean timothy is harry.
Also last season didnt we beat united under AVB, sitting deep and hitting them on the counter?
fair enough but second half was very similar to today from what i saw(first 60 mins) and heard(radio 5 live for last 30mins) i.e defending for our liveNo not really, I think you're wrong on two counts mate, we did actually play a 442/433 hybrid towards the end of HR time, around the VdV era when he used to pull to the right but also operate as a middle man, Swansea at home comes to mind.
And last year at old Trafford I think we played very well in the first half, one of the high points of AVB tenure, but then shit ourselves in the second half and weren't even interested in attempting the counter attack apart from the Dempsey goal.