Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[therhinospeaks]

Not sure what was more depressing today... The result or the thick, ignorant staff we have employed.

Only thing cheering me up today is witnessing our monumentally thick moronic training ground employees trying to prevent Uli Hoeness from watching the youth game.

 

[guru]

where have you got that from?

they made an offer and we rejected it. he also had a bunch of loan offers from the championship which we again seemingly rejected.

If you remember rightly , he was missing at the beginning of the season , that is when he went on trial for Reading. Why send him on trial if you’re not going to let him go ?
He was not good enough . That’s what I have been told

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Echoes what I know a lot you youth watchers feel about our own young players. Really think we should look at partnerships with clubs in other leagues to send our guys out to get game experience.

Why Dinamo Zagreb’s Dani Olmo took a risk and left Barcelona

Dani Olmo was in Barcelona’s youth team but left aged 16 and has matured into one of the most coveted young playmakers in Europe, currently with Dinamo Zagreb

www.theguardian.com

I give you Brondby. Agreement just signed

 

[therhinospeaks]

I give you Brondby. Agreement just signed

No confirmation of said agreement though. Might of been a couple of directors on a jolly.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

No confirmation of said agreement though. Might of been a couple of directors on a jolly.

Did you not see the picture of Daniel holding up Brondby shirt with his name on it. Wouldn’t do that if not agreed

 

[therhinospeaks]

Did you not see the picture of Daniel holding up Brondby shirt with his name on it. Wouldn’t do that if not agreed

Doesn't mean anything. Could of signed a deal to use the lodge over their winter break or Donna is going to do some PR training with them.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Marcus Edwards plays for Vitoria Giumares tonight in Europa lge. Home to Frankfurt.

 

[mill]

Marcus Edwards plays for Vitoria Giumares tonight in Europa lge. Home to Frankfurt.

Came off the bench for his league debut at the weekend

 

[VegasII]

Master Saturn?!

They must run by Russian Sega fans...

 

[Blake Griffin]

skipp and austin in the latest england u21 squad.

tanganga (and clarke) in the u20s.

maghoma u19s.

 

[stevenurse]

What's happened to our youth? Hard not to be envious of the young players coming through at the scum. KWP was lauded as the next big thing, and has turned out to be largely pap. So much so that he's about 5th choice now and even Sanchez is playing ahead of him.

Clarke can't get a kick for Leeds. Skipp is talented but hard to get excited about. Parrott is the one real hope but he's at least 2 years off being ready.

Edwards was one of those to hang your hopes on. Nope, he's a tool.

It's important we have these young players to not only supplement the squad, but also to provide an income.

Ah well. Maybe the Europa League next season will be the making of them?

 

[Tom Hep]

Yago De Santiago Alonso’s profile has been added to the first year scholars list on the OS.

Yago Santiago Player Profile | Tottenham Hotspur

Find out more about Under-18s team member, Yago Santiago. His player profile includes information about his history and previous experience.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

Here he’s listed as ‘Yago Santiago’, yet on team sheets he’s ‘Alonso’, so very confusing what name he wishes to go by.

 

[Yiddo100]

Admittedly I haven’t seen a lot of our u23s I’m Surprised at Austin’s call up, looking at the squad it’s 90% players who are playing regularly for the clubs. So must be playing well

 

[Blake Griffin]

Admittedly I haven’t seen a lot of our u23s I’m Surprised at Austin’s call up, looking at the squad it’s 90% players who are playing regularly for the clubs. So must be playing well

he's not been playing at all, just training - like skipp(minus the colchester appearance). he's been in england squads before though so the coaches must like him.

 

[coys200]

Simple fact is we are buying 22/23 players for £60m and 19 yr olds for £30m. Any player coming through the academy has to be senior international quality to even have half a chance.

 

[IGSpur]

I think a lot of times fans do make excusses for why a player failed to make it. Even though this will happen to the magority of highly rated players, regardless of how their path towards the first team is.

I think everyone knows this. People's frustration is when the BEST players at one of the best academies in a counrty procuding the best players, don't even get a look in. That's one maybe two from an age group. Everyone knows 90% won't get into the first team, but as I say 80% are good enough for PL football if they were scattered about.

The gap between PL and youth football is incredibly high, and players can rarely replicate their performances with the first team.

I personally think this is exagerrated and have always said so. Trust and opportunity is key. Chelsea won lord knows how many FAYCs and UYLs in a row, and none of them ever got a chance. Apparently they were never good enough.

Lampard is in and has gone for a different approach. 2 of their CBs are academy players, their starting striker, CAM. Three of them getting their first real opportuniteis at the club, and they are still going to likely integrate James and CHO. And they are not suffering at all. Their academy hasn't got any better they've just got amanager giving them chances. That is all. WHy can't people see this? They also do their development well. ANother manager and this might not have happened, so people can't say the step up is too great or it can't be done. Funnily enough even I didn't think it was possible to intergrate that many and here we are. Heck they've still got Loftus-Cheek to come back.

Why can't we do it? The narrative will now shift to they have better players, but when they weren't playing it was their players weren't good enough despite them doing nothing different with regards to their coaching and loaning out process. Trust and opporuntity something we don't give oour own youngsters, exacerabte by the poor development. Chelsea are acutally making amockery of those prasiing Winks coming through in a whole 5/6 years.

What's happened to our youth? Hard not to be envious of the young players coming through at the scum. KWP was lauded as the next big thing, and has turned out to be largely pap. So much so that he's about 5th choice now and even Sanchez is playing ahead of him.

Clarke can't get a kick for Leeds. Skipp is talented but hard to get excited about. Parrott is the one real hope but he's at least 2 years off being ready.

Edwards was one of those to hang your hopes on. Nope, he's a tool.

It's important we have these young players to not only supplement the squad, but also to provide an income.

Ah well. Maybe the Europa League next season will be the making of them?

Nothing has happened to our coaching. We are doing the same we've always been doing. It's what has been happenign once they've have turned 18. We can tell you where thing shave gone wrong but whether people want to pay attention or just get on the defensive again is another matter. We've been saying this for the last however many years, but now other clubs are doing we were were doing pre Poch which he then ended up benefitting from in his first couple of years, people are starting to notice how poor we'e actually become at brigning through players.

I can tell you for a fact, that taking into account the odd year group, us, Chelsea, Arsenal, and City have producing the same level or players between the 97-02 year groups. When ours turn 18 though there are no loans, no matches, and no first team opportunities and surprisingly no output. KWP was England's starting RB, but then gets blamed for not living up to much when he has no loans and the odd appearance here and there and no other matches. People will wet themselves over Wan-Bissaka who wasn't better than KWP,and I bet at the end of the year people will see James is a better RB than him once he is given his chance. That's all that is needed. We have top quality players and still do but the handling has been embarrassing and fans are still falling over themselves to look at fault for the youngsters. And making judgements on their personalities. They don't want it enough, they haven't got the steel, yet know nothing about them. Then they look at players doing well and retrospectively place characteristics they believe are key on these players, but know nothing about them and don't even know what they were like when they were younger.

I've seen people say Sancho has always had it, when at 16 he was one of the most frustrating players would try to beat the same kid over and over again, hold onto the ball and wouldn't pass. He learned to stop doing that through opportunity. If people saw him then, they would say he is cocky and a poser. If he didn't go to Dortmund he still wouldn't be known and would be called hype. Now everyone has claiming he was always going to make it because of his personality. It's all nonsense. Give the players and chance and if you're not going to play them loan them, like we did when we actually brought youngsters through. It's going to take the worse club in the world at bring through academy players to have to show us up, but somehow Poch will still be defended.

Simple fact is we are buying 22/23 players for £60m and 19 yr olds for £30m. Any player coming through the academy has to be senior international quality to even have half a chance.

Nonsense. The 19 year olds we're buying we are buying because they have been given a chance. As above AWB was 70m that doesn't make him good, it just means what someone is willing to pay to avoid giving their own an opportunity and avoiding risk. James will overtake him, but James isn't worth 70m now is he? It's not complicated, people just love to make excuses. I said from the start when people were quoting Sessegnon at 50m that there were 4 or 5 players in his age group better than him but weren't valued at that as noone was giving them a chance. It's like a year ago a Chelsea fan saying how can you bring CHO through when we are buying Sessegnon for 50m. Errr don't buy Sessegnon, and use your own player. Sessegnon will do well for us but there are better players his age group. And I was saying that when people were claiming he was the best 17 year old winger in the world or in England.

Both of these cases are the standard. It's like Jack Clarke. I'll be honest I haven't seen him play and he may well go on to do well for us, but there is no way at 17/18 he was better than Edwards or Shashoua absolutely no way. He has just got his chance while the other two haven't and we've replaced them two with him. I know I repeat myself over the last 4 years but nothing has changed. At least for England's sake Chelsea are finally seeing the light, and as much as I don't want them to do well, I can't help but feel pleased for them as a club and for their academy players who I've been watching since they were young, when I assumed they would just be tossed to the wayside.

 

[coys200]

Don’t really get your point IG. Obviously there are nuggets out there you can buy for value like Dele. But obviously if we spend £60m on Ndombele who’s 22 the very very strong likelihood is he will be better than anyone in our U23 team which he obviously is. So for 19 to 22 year olds Sessegnon and Ndombele are now the standard. Just how Sherwood thought Kane was better than Soldado and he was correct. Do you seriously think we have anyone even close to Ndombele in our academy ? Where as Chelsea now have in players like Mount and RLC. our youth aren’t that standard then they simply aren’t good enough. I mean KWP is now 22 could you imagine him being anywhere near England seniors clearly not. But that now is the standard, Chelsea youth are now almost instantly going into England Seniors.

No idea how you can say Clarke wasn’t better than Edwards or Shashoua. He was lighting up the Championship with his performances and was a sensation. Hence why we’ve paid £10m for him. I’ve no idea what’s happened this season but I suspect it’s more political than based on his ability.

 

[spud]

Don’t really get your point IG.

I'm not trying to answer for IGSpur but I think his point is a simple one: the players that he named were all very good at youth level and the difference between (for example) Wan Bissaka and KWP is that the former was given the opportunity to play and the latter wasn't. Very simply, the more players play then, generally speaking, the more likely they are to reach their potential. Ours are given relatively few opportunities to play and therefore their development is stunted.

 

[hero]

I'm not trying to answer for IGSpur but I think his point is a simple one: the players that he named were all very good at youth level and the difference between (for example) Wan Bissaka and KWP is that the former was given the opportunity to play and the latter wasn't. Very simply, the more players play then, generally speaking, the more likely they are to reach their potential. Ours are given relatively few opportunities to play and therefore their development is stunted.

Absolutely! Ours were not given an opportunity at all. The most stupid thing we are doing is ruining our academy. All young prospects will be bought by our rivals. As far as I remember two young prospects flipped us off this summer and one did the same last summer.

 

[IGSpur]

ut obviously if we spend £60m on Ndombele who’s 22 the very very strong likelihood is he will be better than anyone in our U23 team which he obviously is. So for 19 to 22 year olds Sessegnon and Ndombele are now the standard. Just how Sherwood thought Kane was better than Soldado and he was correct. Do you seriously think we have anyone even close to Ndombele in our academy ?

But we're looking at Ndombele now. No point going too in depth there but this is what I'm talking about opportunity. We could very likely have our own Ndombele's were players given chances, is my point. You're making ti sound like he's the mythical player but he's playing alongside one of our own academy players, who wasn't even teh best player in his own age group, but his face probably fit a bit better. Got his opportunity and here he is. So yes, seirously do think we had people close to Ndombele. Ask yourself what Ndombele was doing at 17 and what our best players were doing at the same age. Then ask yourself where our best would be and where he would be had they swapped positions. I guarantee Ndombele wouldn't be where he is now.

Where as Chelsea now have in players like Mount and RLC. our youth aren’t that standard then they simply aren’t good enough. I mean KWP is now 22 could you imagine him being anywhere near England seniors clearly not. But that now is the standard, Chelsea youth are now almost instantly going into England Seniors.

Again this is opportunity and nothing else. People were all saying RLC weren't good enough, and now he is. Do you honestly believe that Chelsea's academy has only just produced this talent now and the last 6/7 years of dominance in youth football they haven't produced any players. Or do you reckon it's just a case of a manager finally trying them out. You think that having no players come through, or one in RLC in the last 10 years, but then 6 go straight into their team at once spanning 4 year groups is down to timing and them all being 'ready' at the same time, or is it a conscious effort by the manager to try them out.

It's like all these fans raving about Parrott for some reason above and beyond all these other players then me pulling the, if he is as good as everyone says why isn't he being played? You're saying he is the best striker in England youth football at the moment so why isn't he being selected. I actually really rate Parrott but it's a stupid argument as there are so many factors that come in to play, the main one being managers are scared to take risks. You've got fans saying Skipp, Parrott and Tanganga were the best players in preseason, a manager actively trying to sell Wanyama for not being good enough, then Skipp dropping back behind Wanyama, and then it's Skipp's fault for not working hard enough or being good enough. Really?

No idea how you can say Clarke wasn’t better than Edwards or Shashoua. He was lighting up the Championship with his performances and was a sensation. Hence why we’ve paid £10m for him. I’ve no idea what’s happened this season but I suspect it’s more political than based on his ability.

I have consistently and will say just because someone is tearing up the CHampionship it doesn't mean they are better players than players in the academy. It just means they are getting opportunities earlier. Heck someone could tear up the PL it could just be good form. I count on my knowledge of having watched players comparatively for 3-4 years in youth football than judge the one who's just got an opportunity generally because they're at a football league club. I don't know how that can still be a gauge. I didn't think Sessegnon was better than Sancho, CHO or Foden, or a couple of other wingers in his age group, when he was tearing it up in the Championship and they were in academies. I didn't think Rashford was better than Abraham when he was tearing it up in Prem, I've seen them two play so much. I don't think AWB is better than James or KWP. Fortunately for James he's been out on loan whereas the other has stagnated. I think there are a lot of players better than Tom Davies when everyone was loving him. I think Skipp is better than Rice. There are literally loads of players between 18-22 who are playing academy football not getting chances that I think are better than a lot of the same age players in the Prem or Championship, it's just that opportunity is not equal at all clubs. You think Mctominay, Longstaff, Rice and Davies, even Winks are the pinnacle of English football. They are all doing so well but there are so many more talented players not getting chances or are going to waste. There are so many bargains to be had or so much money to be made from academy players it's unreal but we wait til and average player lucks out with a chance and then everyone rushes to spend £50m on them. But the English managers can protected from criticism by not playing them as no one has any idea.