Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[coys200]

I like Lusala a lot definitely got something about him. Didn’t realise he was actually a RB.

Just had some training shots on Sky. Lots of U23s with seniors. I think Xi from Tuesday still in recovery mode.

McCarthy hinting Parrott May be in next senior squad.

 

[coys200]

Edwards starts for Vitoria should be fun ?

 

[Danny1]

Come on Edwards! Show your talent lad ??

 

[Yiddo100]

Edwards scores

 

[Danny1]

Get in!!! Haha that’s brilliant! Well done kid, so chuffed for him!!

 

[Jaddas]

Come on Edwards! Show your talent lad ??

Just scored against them! Decent goal.

Go on lad.

 

[pennywise]

So do we have a buy-back clause?

 

[he is you know!]

So do we have a buy-back clause?

50% sell on i think

 

[kmk]

 

[SpursSince1980]

Hmmm, so how does it work if you buy a player back and have a 50% sell-on clause? Half-priced bargain?

 

[rabbikeane]

Hmmm, so how does it work if you buy a player back and have a 50% sell-on clause? Half-priced bargain?

Probably not, but it put us in an advantage to other clubs as we can drop the sell on, hence our offer being worth twice the price.

Just depressing though. Edwards, Onomah, Carter-Vickers, Walker-Peters. They should all be key players for us now. Horrible talent development.

 

[mill]

I seriously doubt Edwards would have any interest in signing for us again if he reaches our level

 

[rabbikeane]

I seriously doubt Edwards would have any interest in signing for us again if he reaches our level

Certainly not under the current regime. More of a chance that Arsenal will track him after this.

 

[ardiles]

Certainly not under the current regime. More of a chance that Arsenal will track him after this.

Well if that happens, Arsenal will be paying half the fee to us.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Probably not, but it put us in an advantage to other clubs as we can drop the sell on, hence our offer being worth twice the price.

Just depressing though. Edwards, Onomah, Carter-Vickers, Walker-Peters. They should all be key players for us now. Horrible talent development.

Of that group, I feel that Carter-Vickers and WP have been probably given short shrift, all things considered. Onomah has been given ample opportunities a few years ago, and has sucked it up on loan. As for Edwards, we all know the story there.

But yes, generally speaking, the flow from development to the first team squad seems to have dried up in recent years. WP, Winks and Skippy are pretty much the only three that have made anything resembling inroads over the last three years. With only one, actually breaking through to the first team on a regular basis. The other two will likely be loaned out in January if they continue to be bench warmers.

I sincerely hope that the same doesn't happen to Parrot. As he looks like a rare talent. Would be a huge shame if he got lost along the way, due to lack of trust, challenge and development.

 

[Spurzinho]

I've been critical of Marcus but that highlight just makes me sad. Could and should have been so different.

 

[IGSpur]

the main one being that we seem to be neglecting the physical aspect compared to other clubs both in the identification phase and the subsequent coaching of talent. clearly we can produce technically gifted players but they're almost always undersized or lacking athletically, you look at the attacking players we've had or have coming through and it's just so difficult for them to make it when they're at such a physical disadvantage. of all the attacking players in the academy currently, who realistically has a chance of making it? you'd probably only really say parrott and maybe bennett - both of which were signed at 15 so whilst technically tottenham academy graduates, they've received the majority of their education elsewhere. roles is the only other one but again, we're basically banking on him physically maturing later on and hopefully being ready by the time he's 22-23.

even our cbs are generally undersized with most just about tipping 6ft on a good day. lyons-foster for example is super smooth with the ball at his feet and an intelligent defender but he's also a total weed, i just can't imagine he'd be this far off physically had he come through chelsea's academy. there's this perception now around our academy that all we produce are safe/tidy midfielders and whilst i don't think that's entirely accurate, i can see why people would think that - and it doesn't help when these are the kind of players poch has the most time for.

I have seen this discussion being had an I do think more is being made out of it than is relevant. You'll be aware that I have also mentioned how much it appears that Chelsea players appear physically stronger than ours, and I don't know what they're doing but I think this just offers another convenient distratction to prevent us from playing our best players. We've always produced relatively small players but if players were used appropriately it's not an issue. Pritchard was small, but was tearing up the Championship at 20, if we used him straight away I don't think he would have had any issues. Carroll was constantly called lightweight and more than handled is own in the Championship and when he played Prem, Shashoua appears to be taking to adult football well, and Edwards possibly the shortest of them all was playing against Arsenal last night. This shouldn't be a reason to stop giving our players a chance. Being psychically strong helps but it shouldn't be the precursor to getting games, as a lot of that 'strength' comes in through playing and learning to hold off others. I'm thinking of Sterling who was even a smal 17 year old when he started. He was just rapid. Mount is another who's not big but he's just developed from going on loan.

As I said it's always been the case we've produced physcally smaller players than Chelsea, not necessarily other clubs btw, but even in that 00 age group, TOB was one of the biggest players, Kirby, Skipp, plus Eyoma are all big players for that age group. The samll players were McEachran and Foden the latter who, whenever he gets a chance slots in perfectly fine at City. The year above that Bennetts was a powerful winger, then Brown, Tanganga and of course Dinzeyi for their age were all physical players. I do agree we produce strangely small CBs, but I don't know what can be done when it comes to predicting size at a young age. Eyoma and Tangangage were both similar heighst or taller than Panzo and Guehi at 17 now they seem a lot taller.

I think though this seems to be the effects of people looking at why we aren't [rodcuing for the first team, and are just coming back to find excuses about what our academy are doing wrong than what should be done by the higher up, remember it should only be one a season. If we ignore Chelsea anyway, I just don't think it's an issue, Maghoma, Binks, Bowden, White, Skipp, Walcott aren't small players, United have Garner and Gomes and Greenwood, City have Foden it's just Chelsea. Even before when we'd play them in the FAYC and had Onomah, KWP etc they have Solanke and Abraham and even DaSilva looked stocky. The perception like you say, comes down to what we bring through and who the manager puts faith in.

you touch on all the england call-ups but you must have noticed the drop off in numbers we've had in that regard lately. go back a couple of years or so and we'd regularly have 2-3 in each age group, i'd always look forward to the international break as it's a good chance to see these players more but now we're only getting 2 or 3 across the entire range of age groups. the last international break I think we had three - skipp who got a few sub minutes and austin a back-up keeper, only maghoma started but if we're being honest he's fortunate to even be getting called up at the moment. you can probably make the case for one or two others but generally the numbers are low currently.

It has fallen off but we peaked during the 99-00 age groups which we've wasted.
96 - mainly Oduwa and Ogilvie from u16. Then u18s I believe Winks and Miller joined. Then it just became Winks and Oduwa from u19s
97 - mainly Onomah form u16-21. KWP joined at u18 age group and carried on. Amos a couple of u18 games
98 - mainly only Edwards, Whiteman was keeper. Sterling for a bit at WC

So it's really only ever been 1 or 2 mainstays and then one or two got a test at the u18 age group which was the tester year.
We were just really spoiled by the 00-99 age group. But looking now
01 - Binks and Maghoma are fairly consistent. Plus Bennett. And you'd make a case that Bowden, White and Markanday but Arsenal took up most of those squads as it's their strongest year.
02 - We had Madueke who left us and a mainstay
03 - We have John and would've had Oluwayemi who now left us

04s and going to the discussion above. I've mentioned these for a while and when we talk about cycles. BBW, Scarlett, Hackett are all fairly regular in that age group and they're all pretty big. Not to mention Forson (who has also left us). Then Mathurin who is very physical and should've been called up.

Long story short. I don't think this is any more of an issue than it's ever been. I still think it's just another instance of people scrutinising our academy for not having anyone in the first team, whereas if chances were just given to players like Edwards and KWP rather than halting their development this wouldn't be a discussion. Well it wouldn't be any worse than passing comments we always make when up against Chelsea. I think the other worry is that more was expected, certainly from me of our golden generation at the time, and now that's almost gone with Skipp only making a scratch people are feeling like 'that's it' there's no one else and we've missed our opportunity. If we just integrate the best player from each age group there would be no problems. I was watching the 00/99/98s since they were u12/u13 and had such hope for them. All my predicitons about their talent came through at youth level winning the u17 WC and making the semi while the others contrubted to the u19 Euro and other talent. While Poch was struggling with Onomah, KWP and Edwards I at least thought when these guys hit 18/19 he's going to have so much to choose from and now these age groups are passing by and nothing it is just an anti-climax and age groups after won't look as strong. So we think if they weren't 'good enough' who will be. As you know I've never subscribed to the if they don't play' they aren't good enough mentality and so I see plenty more talent around if we choose to use it.
Besides production it comes in cycles. We just had 2 big years, that we didn't end up making the most of. Now the 04s will start to come through. Heck even the 05s have quite a few good players in Donley, Cooper, Piesold, Bloxham, Dorrington and Gunter.

While I'd love to know what Chelsea feed their players, that's always been the case and again our academy production is just fluctuating which is natural. Plenty of talent in their, up to the men up top to decide to use them

 

[coys200]

I've been critical of Marcus but that highlight just makes me sad. Could and should have been so different.

He took the goal well. But he’s all round game was pretty average and misplaced a lot of simple passes. Tbh I was a bit disappointed, I’m pretty confident we made the right decision. Obviously he’s only 20 and could kick on but right now he’s a million miles behind someone like Moura who can’t even get a look in himself. You definitely see great ability in little flashes but he’s all round game is way off what we’d need right now.

 

[coys200]

Is Skipp longest a player has been with seniors and no white socks. Not sure it bodes to well for him tbh they can’t be that convinced.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]