Spurs Youth Thread 22/23

[Westmorlandspur]

id love a talent like Mikey Moore to be fast tracked to first team integration. even if he's training with them once a week they'd be able to track his development better.
As with any youngster though, you have to show exceptional talent, especially with a top 4 team like us... but hey! if City and Chelsea can do it so can we.

Also, id hate to see Moore dicking about with Wayne Burnett's U21s for 2 years.

I would hope that Burnett has gone by the time Mikey gets anywhere near the under 21 team.
How is he still here anyway. We need the new breed of younger coaches for our youth teams. These old timers have had their day.
Look at Burnley now Dyche has gone. Kompany playing great football. Sean still looking for a job.

 

[Tyler24durden]

I’d also like ralf Ragnick as our chief scout / head of development type role as he can spot young talent incredibly and help develop them through a structure

 

[worcestersauce]

There was an article by Ali Gold today where he talked about this very issue and said that Conte expects youth players to be first team ready before they get considered. He doesn't see the first team environment as the place to learn your trade. That's an impossible bar to clear if it is the case.

That's sort of the impression I got about him, to be fair I guess he's always looking to win something so there's probably not the scope to risk short term success for long term benefit.
The problem with that though is if I'm a talented kid why would I come to Spurs if I can go to perhaps a championship side and actually play league football?

 

[newbie]

That's sort of the impression I got about him, to be fair I guess he's always looking to win something so there's probably not the scope to risk short term success for long term benefit.
The problem with that though is if I'm a talented kid why would I come to Spurs if I can go to perhaps a championship side and actually play league football?

Let’s hope we use the loan system better

 

[spurs9]

Former youth player Tom Glover hit with a metal bucket by pitch invader. WTF!!

Game abandoned after spectator injures player

The A-League derby between Melbourne City and Melbourne Victory is abandoned after a player is injured by a spectator during a pitch invasion.

www.bbc.com

 

[Lilywhite Rose]

The U14s beat Chelsea 5-0 in the Albert Phelan Cup this afternoon. That’s a top result against any Chelsea Youth age group.

The U16s drew 3-3 with Southampton.

 

[C0YS]

I’d also like ralf Ragnick as our chief scout / head of development type role as he can spot young talent incredibly and help develop them through a structure

I'm pretty sure he would want paratici's positionso that's not going to happen. Would also create problems as Conte and Ragnick see the game totally differently.

Reality is this, youth development is hard, a player every 5 years is maybe what you can expect. We play at a very high level so it's even harder.

 

[Locotoro]

The only way we are going to develop players from our academy is by getting them out on loan. If we look at the evidence of the last decade - we have only seen 2 players establish themselves as squad regulars without making any loan moves (Winks and Tanganga). Every other player that has come from the academy and made the jump to the first team squad (barring Austin) has been out on loan.

Even if we just send them on loan in order to sell them on, that is infinitely more productive than keeping them all in house and watching them leave on a free and refuse to sign extensions

 

[eddiebailey]

The only way we are going to develop players from our academy is by getting them out on loan. If we look at the evidence of the last decade - we have only seen 2 players establish themselves as squad regulars without making any loan moves (Winks and Tanganga). Every other player that has come from the academy and made the jump to the first team squad (barring Austin) has been out on loan.

Even if we just send them on loan in order to sell them on, that is infinitely more productive than keeping them all in house and watching them leave on a free and refuse to sign extensions

Austin has had a couple of loans: in the Danish second tier and a few games for Orlando in MLS.

Would be good if he could get some more substantial loan experience in the second half of the season, with Whiteman taking over third keeper duties.

Both out of contract at the end of the season mind, so there are decisions there’s that need to be taken first.

 

[Locotoro]

Austin has had a couple of loans, including one in the MLS.

I stand corrected and you've strengthen my point.

Even if you look at Chelsea's first team who are the team most recently praised for integrating youth successfully - of the 6 former academy players all 6 have been out on loan and got regular minutes at a club no lower than Championship level. From Arsenal 4 out of 5 all made loan appearances for clubs no lower than League 1. Only Saka, went straight into the first team and that is perhaps because he made such a young debut and did well for them.

 

[EQP]

Conte might consider youth players if they show that they are good enough. After watching under 21 and 18 games there is not much there really.
Dane Scarlett is probably the best bet for the future.
You don’t get a chance because it’s your turn, you’ve got to earn it.
Mourinho only played Devine in the Cup at 16yrs so he could put another debut on his list. 40 plus at the last count. Not many made more than one appearance.
Always thought Paskotsi might get in the squad eventually but he’s hardly played due to injury. Still a bit of an unknown quantity.

Will be interesting to see how many youth players get minutes vs OGC Nice. I'm secretly hoping that during the WC break, one of the U21's impressed enough for Conte to consider giving them some minutes in the FA cup next month.

 

[spurs9]

The only way we are going to develop players from our academy is by getting them out on loan. If we look at the evidence of the last decade - we have only seen 2 players establish themselves as squad regulars without making any loan moves (Winks and Tanganga). Every other player that has come from the academy and made the jump to the first team squad (barring Austin) has been out on loan.

Even if we just send them on loan in order to sell them on, that is infinitely more productive than keeping them all in house and watching them leave on a free and refuse to sign extensions

Bentaleb also established himself without going out on loan.

I agree with your point though.

 

[Lilywhite Rose]

Spurs are back in FAYouth Cup action tonight taking on QPR at StevenageFC Lamex Stadium 7pm Kick Off. Be great if you live locally to get down and support the Academy players alternatively the game is being shown on SpursPlay.

 

[eddiebailey]

I stand corrected and you've strengthen my point.

Even if you look at Chelsea's first team who are the team most recently praised for integrating youth successfully - of the 6 former academy players all 6 have been out on loan and got regular minutes at a club no lower than Championship level. From Arsenal 4 out of 5 all made loan appearances for clubs no lower than League 1. Only Saka, went straight into the first team and that is perhaps because he made such a young debut and did well for them.

So much depends on the attitude of the coach.

Redknapp wanted youngsters to have proved they could roll their sleeves up on a muddy field and have lumps kicked out of them on a cold, rainy night in the Championship. Basically you were expected to have suffered.

AVB for his part just wanted to play with his Panini album, and got hurt and angry if asked to engage with the Academy. Or the Board. Or the tea lady.

For Sherwood, as former head of development, playing anyone from the youth set up made it about him. So that was definitely going to happen.

Under Pochettino if you were allowed to go on loan it was a sign that you had no future at the club, and if, after having spent two years training with the first team and never playing, you actually asked for a loan, Poch would be very disappointed in you.

Mourinho delivered on the promises he had made on youth development by allowing random youngsters to get their studs dirty in the dying minutes of Europa League dead rubbers.

Nuno accepted youth development as part of his job description. But then he would probably have accepted cleaning the visiting fans toilets as part of his job description.

Conte, to give him his due, will give chances to any youngster who has already won at least seven major trophies. They’ll need to be patient though.

 

[eddiebailey]

Will be interesting to see how many youth players get minutes vs OGC Nice. I'm secretly hoping that during the WC break, one of the U21's impressed enough for Conte to consider giving them some minutes in the FA cup next month.

That’s probably a fantasy too far. Possibly, just possibly, he might give Spence or Gill or Tanganga a run out in the Cup. Sadly Harvey White is probably not ready to play against a team he played for on loan in the same division two years ago.

 

[mark87]

1-1 at FT so going into Extra Time.

 

[bat-chain]

Even letting big toddlers score against us now.

 

[philll]

At the end of the first half the commentator was wondering whether QPR could keep up their high-press through the whole match yet it's the Spurs players who look dead on their feet in extra time.

 

[MB31spurs]

1-3 … we should have scored at least 2 in. ET

 

[Romulus]

this youth team is utter trash isn't it? and our 21s

and people wonder why our players cant get game time on loan? THEY AINT FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH!

its the same thing every year in the Youth Cup