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Impspur1
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Thing is he’s a solid lower middle order batsmen too, often comes in and steadies/provides support. Be one of the first names for me
PCozzie
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Particularly a superb player of spin. Some may make the horses-for-courses argument when leaving him out, but this is his course.
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There is no course to drop a specialist wicket keeper for a batsman imo. Not at test match level
Impspur1
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Looking at what they are saying about the next venue I reckon we may go with Anderson for leach and that’s it.
PCozzie
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I agree, but some do make that argument.
Nevertheless, he's a class act and won't be dropped now. It seems almost bizarre to even consider deploying Bairstow behind the stumps.
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Totally, look at his stats from our last sub continent tours that he featured in, if memory serves me right he had one of our highest averages and hit a ton.
It’s the glove work though which we’ve sorely missed for a few seasons now, fingers crossed they now stick with him and he can stay fit!
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aussiespursguy
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Well done England.
Really good to see the Windies put in that performance.
Cricket is better for everyone with a strong West Indies team.
The Shamar Joseph story is also such a good one.
The guy could barely walk the night before, comes out and bowls 12 straight getting up to 149kph and wins them the game.
What a fairytale for the lad.
Really good to see the Windies put in that performance.
Cricket is better for everyone with a strong West Indies team.
The Shamar Joseph story is also such a good one.
The guy could barely walk the night before, comes out and bowls 12 straight getting up to 149kph and wins them the game.
What a fairytale for the lad.
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This is really pertinent. I’ve only really followed cricket since around 2001 and in that time I’ve not really seen a consistently decent West Indies side, just the back end of a declining great one with Lara.
Would love West Indies to re-establish itself amongst the likes of Australia, England, India and New Zealand.
Buggsy61
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As myself and the rest of the old farts on here will tell you they were a truly frightening team back in the mid 70’s to mid 80’s. Greenidge, Haynes, Richard’s, Roberts, Holding, Garner etc etc. Their pace attack used to just blow teams away!. Graham Gooch and Sunil Gavaskar were notable exceptions re players who had a decent record against them.
Be great to see them hit those heights again but apparently there is not the money or status to attract the young kids there anymore - NFL or basketball offers better prospects it seems.
Just watching the highlights of their win now and Joseph certainly does look a great prospect though.
carmeldevil
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Like who? I don't recall any players from the West Indies area in NFL/NBA. A few from Bahamas and one from DR in NBA.
Most of them immigrated to the US via their parents when they were young.
Buggsy61
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A quick google will give you plenty of names but I don’t follow either sport so I couldn’t tell you how they rate against their peers.
I just remember a discussion during a England/Wi test when the West Indian commentator said that the young West Indians have more aspirations in those sports and athletics than cricket these days as it offers the prospect of more fame and fortune.
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I'm with @Buggsy61
I used to visit the Caribbean fairly regularly (I had friends in Barbados). The feeling was that the influence of US TV and thereby sports turned a lot of youngsters' heads so that they pursued sports other than cricket, which they never saw on TV and which didn't offer the money. Regardless of whether they made it or not in those sports, cricket became less popular and the talent stopped coming through. For that reason I don't think we'll ever see the dominance of the 70s and 80s teams - brilliant as he was it took a while for Lara even to get into the Windies team back then.
I'd love to see them back at the top. Well, #2, anyway!
carmeldevil
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Well I know the players and it's not many. Even small role players. Most of the players have Caribbean roots via their parents. Interestingly, many are from Toronto area and that's definitely a growing source of NBA talent.
But I can't speak for college ranks where I can see it'll be more numerous (scholarship rides, more opportunities to get an education, etc). Haven't dived into that yet. The # of players from college ranks making it to NBA/NFL is extremely small.
carmeldevil
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Oh I don't dispute that, the influence of NBA is overshadowing cricket. I'm sure football too (Soccer for us Yanks).
Just don't see that many, if any, players from West Indies area on any NBA roster yet. Most of the Caribbean players are from Bahamas or Jamaica (if not born in the US with parents being from the area).
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England: Zak Crawley, Ben Duckett, Ollie Pope, Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Ben Foakes, Rehan Ahmed, Tom Hartley, Shoaib Bashir, James Anderson.
Now that's some brave selecting, two very inexperienced spinners and one who's played only 6 First Class matches in his entire career taking only 10 wickets, how is that a big enough sample size to select for international cricket? Obviously I hope he performs like Hartley did in the second innings, infact I hope Hartley repeats his performance too but...wow!
Now that's some brave selecting, two very inexperienced spinners and one who's played only 6 First Class matches in his entire career taking only 10 wickets, how is that a big enough sample size to select for international cricket? Obviously I hope he performs like Hartley did in the second innings, infact I hope Hartley repeats his performance too but...wow!
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Very interested to see how Bashir performs
Was playing in the 2nd tier of The Surrey Championship two seasons ago for Guildford and didn’t pull up any trees
Nobody rated him and Surrey let him go. Everyone was amazed he got a contract at Somerset and his figures have been extremely average to say the least
Went to Swanns spin camp in Spain along with 11 other young County Spin bowlers and impressed the most alongside Hartley
Will Stokes throw him the ball early doors and just let him bowl, whether it’s good, bad or ugly. Certainly worked for Hartley eventually
Fantastic as a bowler, for the skipper to chuck you the ball, have 100% confidence in you, try to take the pressure off and just let you bowl….
More power to Stokes and
for Shoaib Bashir
Was playing in the 2nd tier of The Surrey Championship two seasons ago for Guildford and didn’t pull up any trees
Nobody rated him and Surrey let him go. Everyone was amazed he got a contract at Somerset and his figures have been extremely average to say the least
Went to Swanns spin camp in Spain along with 11 other young County Spin bowlers and impressed the most alongside Hartley
Will Stokes throw him the ball early doors and just let him bowl, whether it’s good, bad or ugly. Certainly worked for Hartley eventually
Fantastic as a bowler, for the skipper to chuck you the ball, have 100% confidence in you, try to take the pressure off and just let you bowl….
More power to Stokes and
for Shoaib Bashir
