nattydredd
Non Contributor
- Jul 20, 2015
- 1,103
- 4,412
Then maybe it's time to get a captain in who can crack some skulls, and get them to respond with effort and desire. That's his job. It's Roots fault.
The Cricket Thread
- Thread starter SteveH
- Start date
Then maybe it's time to get a captain in who can crack some skulls, and get them to respond with effort and desire. That's his job. It's Roots fault.
dondo
Well-Known Member
- Jan 4, 2006
- 8,603
- 14,091
Anderson has had a few not so good captains but still took many wickets including under root without “being motivated”. If archer needs a pep talk and to be motivated every innings he’s not going to make it at test level (I don’t believe he does btw)
Spurs_Bear
Well-Known Member
- Jan 7, 2009
- 17,094
- 22,286
Nah. That’s not objective I’m afraid.
$hoguN
Well-Known Member
- Jul 25, 2005
- 26,686
- 34,862
This England team has so many problems. Captain doesn’t actually know how to caption, can’t fit ins. Spinner, continually picking Bairstow and Buttler when Foakes doesn’t get a look in, swinging between running Archer into the ground and simply not bowling him. WTF
$hoguN
Well-Known Member
- Jul 25, 2005
- 26,686
- 34,862
Archer doesn’t need to be motivated, he needs to have the expectations on him set out properly. Want him to run in for a 3 over burst and try to kill the batsman with chest high deliveries he. You need to tell him, want him to run in a bowl overs of full blooded Yorkers, then tell him.
- Feb 1, 2005
- 55,713
- 206,024
- Admin
- #12,086
I'd criticise Root (and often have) for tactical things, field settings, when he bowls which bowler etc etc but if a player can't motivate himself to bat or bowl for England then I can't see how you lay that at the captains door. If a player isn't motivated then the coaches should be in his ear, working on that. I'm not entirely sure its motivation in Archer's case, he gives me the impression that he's laid back, I'd like to see more aggression from him.
Nasser was spot on yesterday. Is Bairstow coming off the field and thinking to himself why do I get bowled so often, what can I do to fix it. Is Root asking himself why he persistently wafts at a wide one, how can I fix that? We have to wonder wether they are actually doing that because they just don't seem to place value on their wicket. Are they just shrugging their shoulders and thinking they'll do better next time.......It's the same mistakes, time and time again. Then they front up to the cameras and say 'we talked about batting long'.......It seems to me that these 'talks' aren't fucking working.
SA already have more than enough runs to beat this sorry lot, this really could be all over today.
Nasser was spot on yesterday. Is Bairstow coming off the field and thinking to himself why do I get bowled so often, what can I do to fix it. Is Root asking himself why he persistently wafts at a wide one, how can I fix that? We have to wonder wether they are actually doing that because they just don't seem to place value on their wicket. Are they just shrugging their shoulders and thinking they'll do better next time.......It's the same mistakes, time and time again. Then they front up to the cameras and say 'we talked about batting long'.......It seems to me that these 'talks' aren't fucking working.
SA already have more than enough runs to beat this sorry lot, this really could be all over today.
Spurs_Bear
Well-Known Member
- Jan 7, 2009
- 17,094
- 22,286
I think the flu bug thing is worse than they are letting on. Both Root and Buttler not even on the field. What’s bad is that the tactics have been even worse than usual!
midoshairband
Well-Known Member
- Apr 25, 2006
- 7,180
- 14,192
the only part Root plays in Archer’s underperformance is the way he utilises him. but then i guess the plan from that stems from the coaching team too.
stonecolddeanaustin
Well-Known Member
- Aug 27, 2011
- 1,634
- 2,609
This is worse than the spurs match thread. Non stop criticism when it's going to shit and not a single post when it's going well. Anyway, still a long way to go from here but a shout out to burns at least. Averages 46 since the start of the ashes apparently. Impressive considering the state of the team and how close he was to being dropped. Very impressive.
midoshairband
Well-Known Member
- Apr 25, 2006
- 7,180
- 14,192
Burns is very impressive. I hope Sibley gets the same opportunity to settle in, I think they could be a good opening partnership. unorthodox and both happy to dig in.
aussiespursguy
Well-Known Member
- Mar 21, 2015
- 3,448
- 6,708
You remember Shane Watson don't you bear?
You could always guarantee he would waste a review on a plum decision, Every Game!
Spurs_Bear
Well-Known Member
- Jan 7, 2009
- 17,094
- 22,286
Oh I do mate, and our very own Stuart Broad loved a review of everything as well. Thankfully we’ve usually used them all up by now when we get down to him.
midoshairband
Well-Known Member
- Apr 25, 2006
- 7,180
- 14,192
I know they’ve both got out to relatively poor shots this morning, but I’m really happy with Burns and Denly at the moment. they both seem prepared to dig and tough it out. once Sibley gets up and running (which i think isn’t far away) we could have a pretty solid top 3.
well, more solid than our too 3 for the past 5 years anyway.
well, more solid than our too 3 for the past 5 years anyway.
Arnoldtoo
The thinking ape's ape
- May 18, 2006
- 35,449
- 55,303
Absolutely agree with your para 1. But if Nasser is asking those questions then I think he's looking for reasons to criticise that simply aren't there. Of course they're asking themselves how they can stop the bad things they're doing; they're professional sportsmen and among the best in the world. You don't reach the levels they've reached by not caring and not spending hours and hours trying to iron out the glitches, which, when they get stuck in your muscle memory, are incredibly hard to shift.
Just heard Nasser saying that "after today, or maybe tomorrow morning, we'll know if Root's decision to put SA in was a good one or a really bad one".
It occurs to me that if SA had scored 450 then we'd know, but if it's still in doubt half way through the 4th innings then it is almost certainly neither, and it definitely isn't going to be a 'really bad one'. Especially as we have no idea what would have happened if he'd chosen to bat.
And I wasn't watching yesterday (too busy throwing up as it happens) but did Nasser praise Root's motivation of Archer after 5-102?
I think Root has a lot still to learn as a captain, and he's never going to be a Brearley, but (like Brearley with Botham) he has had to lead a team containing elder statesmen like Anderson and Broad. It's easy (or easier) to tell Archer that he wants this and that from him and he's setting a field accordingly; it's a damn site harder when your two opening bowlers have 1000+ wickets between them. I know as captain he should be able to do so, but let's not think it's easy.
He also bats at 4 behind a dodgy top 3. Since Cook, none of those we've tried would get a sniff of a place in the current - or any other - world 11. Take the captaincy away and give it to Stokes and what happens? Who knows. 'Here you go, Ben - top order batsman, vital bowler, fantastic fielder; oh, and we want you to be Captain Fantastic as well, with just the right balance of attack and defence and the psychology skills of a trained counsellor.' How did that work out with Beefy?
England are a great 1-day and competent 20/20 team at the moment, cos that's the sort of talent our best players possess. They're not currently a good Test team, and they're almost certainly going to lose again some time today. But it is what it is.
Currently 177-3. My prediction for all-out; anywhere between 174 and 250!
karennina
ciffirt
- Nov 24, 2004
- 2,827
- 1,035
Think this has to happen - Burns was quite bad for quite a long time.
midoshairband
Well-Known Member
- Apr 25, 2006
- 7,180
- 14,192
it won’t be. he must have compromising photos of the selectors.
