The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th July

[Parkie]

Re: Hitch's post (and tying in with the itk on modric) - the player wants to go but the price needs to be right. I can't see modric wanting to go as a cut price deal to a club who do not see him being the first choice, he seems like a relatively intelligent person and must realise that his role as a key player at spurs will not be matched if he goes on the cheap to real. If he is going as a marquee signing who will be on banners outside the stadium and have his own rack of shirts in the club shop and play in 60%+ of their games then he is right to want it (for footballing reasons) - if he wants to go just to be a squad player then he is lowering his stock and making a mistake. He would be going from a position where he is an in-demand player with the world watching to being "just another midfielder" at real.
Hopefully, he will either realise that his view of what signing for real is does not tally with how they see the deal or he will realise that they need to spend the sort of money that guarantees his status there. If the offer is not commensurate with his standing (ie a key player for us --> a key player for them) then he needs to think about whether he should push for the deal.
There is no doubt that he is a great player but he needs to realise that going fromm being a big fish in a medium sized pond to being any old fish in a massive ocean may not be hs best move. I hope Levy has a collection of statsq and articles about Berbatov ready for him to read through if he does decide to go down the transfer request/refusal to play/sulk like a petulant child route.

 

[rawhide]

Not overly happy with the term myself. Two of my kids have a degenerative disease. It doesn't stop them using the term themselves, and we have spats about it...

Agreed, albeit slightly hippocritically of me. I know there are other posters in a similar position to you greaves, so I'll apologise and avoid the term in future. Sorry.

 

[duffster]

Re: Hitch's post (and tying in with the itk on modric) - the player wants to go but the price needs to be right. I can't see modric wanting to go as a cut price deal to a club who do not see him being the first choice, he seems like a relatively intelligent person and must realise that his role as a key player at spurs will not be matched if he goes on the cheap to real. If he is going as a marquee signing who will be on banners outside the stadium and have his own rack of shirts in the club shop and play in 60%+ of their games then he is right to want it (for footballing reasons) - if he wants to go just to be a squad player then he is lowering his stock and making a mistake. He would be going from a position where he is an in-demand player with the world watching to being "just another midfielder" at real.
Hopefully, he will either realise that his view of what signing for real is does not tally with how they see the deal or he will realise that they need to spend the sort of money that guarantees his status there. If the offer is not commensurate with his standing (ie a key player for us --> a key player for them) then he needs to think about whether he should push for the deal.
There is no doubt that he is a great player but he needs to realise that going fromm being a big fish in a medium sized pond to being any old fish in a massive ocean may not be hs best move. I hope Levy has a collection of statsq and articles about Berbatov ready for him to read through if he does decide to go down the transfer request/refusal to play/sulk like a petulant child route.

It has to be remebered that old "Deer-face" has won 2 league championships since he left us.

 

[Keith Morris]

Re: Hitch's post (and tying in with the itk on modric) - the player wants to go but the price needs to be right. I can't see modric wanting to go as a cut price deal to a club who do not see him being the first choice, he seems like a relatively intelligent person and must realise that his role as a key player at spurs will not be matched if he goes on the cheap to real. If he is going as a marquee signing who will be on banners outside the stadium and have his own rack of shirts in the club shop and play in 60%+ of their games then he is right to want it (for footballing reasons) - if he wants to go just to be a squad player then he is lowering his stock and making a mistake. He would be going from a position where he is an in-demand player with the world watching to being "just another midfielder" at real.
Hopefully, he will either realise that his view of what signing for real is does not tally with how they see the deal or he will realise that they need to spend the sort of money that guarantees his status there. If the offer is not commensurate with his standing (ie a key player for us --> a key player for them) then he needs to think about whether he should push for the deal.
There is no doubt that he is a great player but he needs to realise that going fromm being a big fish in a medium sized pond to being any old fish in a massive ocean may not be hs best move. I hope Levy has a collection of statsq and articles about Berbatov ready for him to read through if he does decide to go down the transfer request/refusal to play/sulk like a petulant child route.

I'm sorry....but this is unrealistic, if Madrid are willing to pay £30million for you and make you their top target of the summer then you are gonna move from spurs to Madrid and make it a big move, I'm a proper spurs fan but you have to be realistic and stating a move from spurs to Madrid is a step down is complete rubbish (in my opinion)

 

[codspur]

I'm sure I got a warning on here for calling someone a tard once. Shanks I think it was.

Naff me you called Shanks a Tard...whilst I don't agree I can't fault your Bravery.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yeah, doesn't he work on their website, or something like that?

That was it.

There's always been the suspicion with him that he was getting stuff from the Spanish media early doors and passing it off as ITK, and, frankly, I don't really see how he's privy to the details of our negotiations with Real. What's with this 'first dibs' anyway? Obviously we know what 'first dibs' means, but in this instance, what does it entail in practice? They're not saying they will sell us a player, still less that they will sell us one at a knock-down price, or that it will be a player we actually want. I'm not too convinced by the rest of it, either.

 

[michaelden]

ITK - Ade done
the Sun - Ade pissed as we want him to take pay cut... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!

 

[Parkie]

I'm sorry....but this is unrealistic, if Madrid are willing to pay £30million for you and make you their top target of the summer then you are gonna move from spurs to Madrid and make it a big move, I'm a proper spurs fan but you have to be realistic and stating a move from spurs to Madrid is a step down is complete rubbish (in my opinion)

But if Real are NOT willing to pay £30million and NOT willing to make you their top target (as seems to be the rumblings) then I would hope that would give Luka pause. As for the "step down" comment - not sure where you got that from, I was saying the opposite and warning that taking a step up for the sake of changing the badge on your shirt would be a risk if it meant reducing your stature as a player on the world stage. Modric is seen as nearing world class playing every match for Spurs - would he retain that rep if he was warming the bench at Real?

 

[Breezer]

Re: Hitch's post (and tying in with the itk on modric) - the player wants to go but the price needs to be right. I can't see modric wanting to go as a cut price deal to a club who do not see him being the first choice, he seems like a relatively intelligent person and must realise that his role as a key player at spurs will not be matched if he goes on the cheap to real. If he is going as a marquee signing who will be on banners outside the stadium and have his own rack of shirts in the club shop and play in 60%+ of their games then he is right to want it (for footballing reasons) - if he wants to go just to be a squad player then he is lowering his stock and making a mistake. He would be going from a position where he is an in-demand player with the world watching to being "just another midfielder" at real.
Hopefully, he will either realise that his view of what signing for real is does not tally with how they see the deal or he will realise that they need to spend the sort of money that guarantees his status there. If the offer is not commensurate with his standing (ie a key player for us --> a key player for them) then he needs to think about whether he should push for the deal.
There is no doubt that he is a great player but he needs to realise that going fromm being a big fish in a medium sized pond to being any old fish in a massive ocean may not be hs best move. I hope Levy has a collection of statsq and articles about Berbatov ready for him to read through if he does decide to go down the transfer request/refusal to play/sulk like a petulant child route.

WTF!!!!

 

[Riandor]

Yeah I am with SS57 on this.

Either it's poorly phrased or it's just untrue... I cannot see how we could have "first dibs" on a Real Madrid player... how the hell does that work?! Some time in the future if Real sell a particular player they ask us first? How does that help us now and why would we accept a much lower fee for Modric as a result?!

No, sorry, I do not believe that is how DL works.

Now, if it includes a Loan with an option to buy tagged on to the end, ok, let's talk, but otherwise i just can't buy into that part of the ITK.

R:

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

But if Real are NOT willing to pay £30million and NOT willing to make you their top target (as seems to be the rumblings) then I would hope that would give Luka pause. As for the "step down" comment - not sure where you got that from, I was saying the opposite and warning that taking a step up for the sake of changing the badge on your shirt would be a risk if it meant reducing your stature as a player on the world stage. Modric is seen as nearing world class playing every match for Spurs - would he retain that rep if he was warming the bench at Real?

When have you ever heard a player say 'they aren't paying enough for me'? It's normally the complete opposite, like Vertonghen saying that Ajax's valuation was unrealistic and Lloris seemingly saying something similar. Players say that to get the move they want rather than jeopardising a potential move for the sake of ego.

 

[Parkie]

WTF!!!!

Modric being the move of the summer = galactico = lots of time on the pitch
Modric being a bargain buy = squad player = splinters in arse (OK, so they'd be Real splinters, but they are still splinters)
I just think that, if the itk about Real not looking to pay what Levy wants (as Utd did in the cases of Berbatov and Carrick - the last times similar situations occurred) suggests that he might not be getting the playing time he should be expecting.

 

[Martin Jol Loves Me]

Yeah I am with SS57 on this.

Either it's poorly phrased or it's just untrue... I cannot see how we could have "first dibs" on a Real Madrid player... how the hell does that work?! Some time in the future if Real sell a particular player they ask us first? How does that help us now and why would we accept a much lower fee for Modric as a result?!

No, sorry, I do not believe that is how DL works.

Now, if it includes a Loan with an option to buy tagged on to the end, ok, let's talk, but otherwise i just can't buy into that part of the ITK.

R:

I agree the only way I think it could be plausible was if it was the same deal as VDV. for us to be alerted if another club had put in a bid or the club's/player's stmce had changed.

 

[Hoopspur]

Re: Hitch's post (and tying in with the itk on modric) - the player wants to go but the price needs to be right. I can't see modric wanting to go as a cut price deal to a club who do not see him being the first choice, he seems like a relatively intelligent person and must realise that his role as a key player at spurs will not be matched if he goes on the cheap to real. If he is going as a marquee signing who will be on banners outside the stadium and have his own rack of shirts in the club shop and play in 60%+ of their games then he is right to want it (for footballing reasons) - if he wants to go just to be a squad player then he is lowering his stock and making a mistake. He would be going from a position where he is an in-demand player with the world watching to being "just another midfielder" at real.
Hopefully, he will either realise that his view of what signing for real is does not tally with how they see the deal or he will realise that they need to spend the sort of money that guarantees his status there. If the offer is not commensurate with his standing (ie a key player for us --> a key player for them) then he needs to think about whether he should push for the deal.
There is no doubt that he is a great player but he needs to realise that going fromm being a big fish in a medium sized pond to being any old fish in a massive ocean may not be hs best move. I hope Levy has a collection of statsq and articles about Berbatov ready for him to read through if he does decide to go down the transfer request/refusal to play/sulk like a petulant child route.

Have not got to any other of the posts yet, but you would have expected Modric to have met with Maureen. I cannot believe that any club manager when bringing in a player for up to £35m would not want to tell him his plans, convince him individually, but more importantly look into his eyes and see if he really wanted it? For this amount of money you are building a central midfield around him too are you not?

 

[elDiablo]

Ok, im not sure about anyone else, but im starting to feel a little underwhelmed at the prospect of Defoe and Kane as our main strikers, as we head to USA.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Ok, im not sure about anyone else, but im starting to feel a little underwhelmed at the prospect of Defoe and Kane as our main strikers, as we head to USA.

Well AVB has said that he'll be using the tour to view our players and see which ones will move on and afterwards he'll assess and we'll make moves. He might think that an England international that has scored around 200 career goals before the age of 30 would fit into his system where the only function of the striker is to score goals (rather than being a link man, hold-up player etc). Getting a better view of our limited striker options on the tour might really force him to think big in the market on his return.

 

[SonicSarr]

Ok, im not sure about anyone else, but im starting to feel a little underwhelmed at the prospect of Defoe and Kane as our main strikers, as we head to USA.

It is a worry. How are we supposed to get used to the new system without the squad we intend to start the season with and without all of the right pegs for the right holes. I can see us playing differently simply due to the personnel available and then getting in a right muddle when everything is in place and start using whatever the proper system is going to be. Maybe just overly pessimistic as we all want the signing done and squad sorted asap. Frustrating business these transfer windows.

 

[jazz15c]

Someone did say that, last week IIRC

DEFINITELY 100% works for Citeh, communications dept. Formally at Real Madrid and Vodafone.

Knew the chap personally a few years back, certainly not a WUM, any info he's passing would be EXACTLY what he's heard and not fabricated in any way.

 

[StanSpur]

Madrids ITK doesn't really inspire on this perma-grey Friday! The Moutinho info would explain why the price is so high if Kia Jo (current movie pun) has his paws in then that would mean Porto need to get as big a deal as possible so that thier cut of the pie gives them the money to reinvest. As for the Hulk tease - obviously doesn't think its us or he would say. City only ones likely to fork out the cash if Chelsea are out of the running and with this mans inside track on City that would explain him knowing something

 

[robbiedee]

So IF Ade is all done and dusted and the contracts are in the post, although I can't see him flying out with the squad tomorrow, there is nothing to stop him joining up with them a day or 2 later...I'm sure they only play golf and have macho hot tubs together the first couple of days of a tour usually.
Hopefully Ade does fly out at some point and IOMLS is right in that AVB can assess what we need in terms of a 4th striker.