The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th July

[Original # 10]

Ok, im not sure about anyone else, but im starting to feel a little underwhelmed at the prospect of Defoe and Kane as our main strikers, as we head to USA.

Kane is massive in America already.

 

[Riandor]

Ok, im not sure about anyone else, but im starting to feel a little underwhelmed at the prospect of Defoe and Kane as our main strikers, as we head to USA.

If you get the RIGHT target, then they will need little prep time and a tor of the USA won't be the be all or end all in that regard.

If AVB asks the club to sign a striker who he knows is quality, adaptable and probably has experience in the formations AVB wants to employ, then I see no issue with that player not being involved in the tour.

Remember a lot of squad players will play in that tour, not the first team quite as much.

DEFINITELY 100% works for Citeh, communications dept. Formally at Real Madrid and Vodafone.

Knew the chap personally a few years back, certainly not a WUM, any info he's passing would be EXACTLY what he's heard and not fabricated in any way.

Fair enough Jazz15c, if you know the guy then that's good info and i certainly wasn't blasting the guy providing the info in good faith, ALWAYS appreciated and it's nice to actually talk ITK in here for a change!

Just a question mark on this "first refusal" on a player and the immediate benefits we would gain... selling Modric to RM is a big loss to us and we need to be able to fill his shoes. Taking less money, potentially thus not affording Moutinho (or paying more than we make from Modric sale) all for the possible future opportunity of buying a player from RM? What if that player never leaves? What if that player does want to leave but has zero interest in joining Spurs? So commercially from the outside and with little info to go on, it's hard to see why we would do this.

Happy to be proven wrong!

R.

 

[Keith Morris]

But if Real are NOT willing to pay £30million and NOT willing to make you their top target (as seems to be the rumblings) then I would hope that would give Luka pause. As for the "step down" comment - not sure where you got that from, I was saying the opposite and warning that taking a step up for the sake of changing the badge on your shirt would be a risk if it meant reducing your stature as a player on the world stage. Modric is seen as nearing world class playing every match for Spurs - would he retain that rep if he was warming the bench at Real?

In this age of wretched brinkmanship, it seems Madrid are willing to play the long game too, however this doesn't mean that luka isn't a priority or the main target it just means they are haggling for best price as clubs always will, he is their main target and if they are quoted as willing to pay £27.3m, then it's a big transfer, it is a step up for the player whether that is difficult to swallow or not, there aren't too many selfless players like ledley king about....those that will put loyalty above personal goals

 

[elDiablo]

Maybe Levy is tryiing to negotiate that RM subsidise Ade's wages as part of the Modders deal......

 

[danielneeds]

In this age of wretched brinkmanship, it seems Madrid are willing to play the long game too, however this doesn't mean that luka isn't a priority or the main target it just means they are haggling for best price as clubs always will, he is their main target and if they are quoted as willing to pay £27.3m, then it's a big transfer, it is a step up for the player whether that is difficult to swallow or not, there aren't too many selfless players like ledley king about....those that will put loyalty above personal goals

Don't think Levy is any position to moan about brinksmanship in transfers...

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Just as well call it a day...

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
Nothing happening at the moment so enjoy the open the cricket or you could actually do some work! #youknowwhoyouare

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Agreed, albeit slightly hippocritically of me. I know there are other posters in a similar position to you greaves, so I'll apologise and avoid the term in future. Sorry.

It's all about context really though. I am of the same opinion as greaves, as I have an autistic son & he's very limited in certain aspects of life, though an absolute genius in others. But as I said on here last week, people using the term in an obviously banterish (is that even a word?) manner = fair play, in my opinion.

 

[Spurger King]

Just as well call it a day...

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
Nothing happening at the moment so enjoy the open the cricket or you could actually do some work! #youknowwhoyouare

I don't like golf, cricket or work so he's obviously not referring to me.

 

[felmani26]

Just as well call it a day...

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
Nothing happening at the moment so enjoy the open the cricket or you could actually do some work! #youknowwhoyouare

AVB alluded to this so looks like no movement before our USA trip unfortunately.

Not trying to come across all Paolo here and throw my toys out of the pram but if we start the season with Defoe up front and Kane on the bench then I will be pissed off to say the least!

 

[SpurSince57]

DEFINITELY 100% works for Citeh, communications dept. Formally at Real Madrid and Vodafone.

Knew the chap personally a few years back, certainly not a WUM, any info he's passing would be EXACTLY what he's heard and not fabricated in any way.

Fair enough, and I can certainly buy the £40m plus sell-on percentage as Levy's starting-point. The 'first dibs', though, is so vague as to be meaningless.

 

[Keith Morris]

Don't think Levy is any position to moan about brinksmanship in transfers...

I refer to it as wretched from a supporters perspective....we've been left hanging in many windows

 

[Spurger King]

AVB alluded to this so looks like no movement before our USA trip unfortunately.

Not trying to come across all Paolo here and throw my toys out of the pram but if we start the season with Defoe up front and Kane on the bench then I will be pissed off to say the least!

And who could blame you? Even starting the season with Ade, Defoe and kane as our only strikers would represent a pathetic piece of mismanagement. Many apsects of our club have been handled brilliantly, however it's fair to say that we've found ourselves in a bad situation regarding strikers and keepers. The striker situation in particular needs to be sorted soon, however we've been fucked in that department since Frazier 'no option to buy' Campbell so I'm not crossing my fingers.

 

[Daredevil]

I don't see where there needs to be a massive influx of new players right now, anyway.

Surely AVB will want to run the rule over the players he has, see them in some friendlies, study their strengths and weaknesses - essentially giving Levy a second opinion on all the players Harry may have written off - before deciding where he would like to strengthen and who with.

Ade is an obvious necessity, no squad study required there, but as far as everywhere else goes it makes sense to me that we may not see much, if any, movement in/out of the team until the end of the USA tour.

I don't mind the management taking some time to get to know the squad before they go about making replacements, especially when some have already been brought in. When they know what they need I have no doubt we'll be seeing new faces - there's plenty of time left.

 

[AFred]

If Adebayor deal is done i.e. we have signed the paperwork, Man City have signed their paperwork and Adebayor has signed all his paperwork logic dictates that all parties would be confident enough to announce the transfer. Its not like papers need to be sent by post to the Premier League offices.

Think of transfer deadline day. Papers get signed by both clubs and players, get faxed or emailed to the Premier League offices and a few minutes later the transfer gets officially announced.

My guess is at this minute, Adebayor transfer is still not completed.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't see where there needs to be a massive influx of new players right now, anyway.

Surely AVB will want to run the rule over the players he has, see them in some friendlies, study their strengths and weaknesses - essentially giving Levy a second opinion on all the players Harry would may have written off - before deciding where he would like to strengthen and who with.

Ade is an obvious necessity, no squad study required there, but as far as everywhere else goes it makes sense to me that we may not see much, if any, movement in/out of the team until the end of the USA tour.

I don't mind the management taking some time to get to know the squad before they go about making replacements, especially when some have already been brought in. When they know what they need I have no doubt we'll be seeing new faces - there's plenty of time left.

Yup I think this is spot on. AVB has said it's a clean slate for everyone so he needs to properly see the existing squad in action before making any massive decisions.

It's obvious we need a striker as Daredevil says so that's why we're in for Ade, and if Modric goes then it's equally obvious that we need a replacement which is why we are in for Moutinho. There are other positions that many of us feel need to be filled, but we do already have players in all of those positions who AVB will want to look at before deciding where we need improvements. Also it's not as if we can't conduct business whilst we're in the States.

 

[wallyjakeman]

Just as well call it a day...

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
Nothing happening at the moment so enjoy the open the cricket or you could actually do some work! #youknowwhoyouare

He's clearly adressing Luka. Get to the training ground, you little...

 

[Roynie]

I don't see where there needs to be a massive influx of new players right now, anyway.

Surely AVB will want to run the rule over the players he has, see them in some friendlies, study their strengths and weaknesses - essentially giving Levy a second opinion on all the players Harry would may have written off - before deciding where he would like to strengthen and who with.

Ade is an obvious necessity, no squad study required there, but as far as everywhere else goes it makes sense to me that we may not see much, if any, movement in/out of the team until the end of the USA tour.

I don't mind the management taking some time to get to know the squad before they go about making replacements, especially when some have already been brought in. When they know what they need I have no doubt we'll be seeing new faces - there's plenty of time left.

This. Let's face it we have all written off Bentley, JJ and GDS. However, if AVB can re-motivate them and get them playing at their best it could save a number of transfers. We know DB isn't exactly fast, but he could fit in to AVB's plans as a CM. JJ is good attacking but not so good defending, but with Parker, Sandro and Livermore we don't need his (non existant) defensive abilities. If GDS could give for us the displays he shows for Mexico, he would be fine.

Some ITK on how the training is going for the fringe players would be good!

 

[Spurger King]

I've always been an advocate of POTL's info but he really seems to have gone off the boil in the last couple of transfer windows. Didn't his last post say (in an incredibly vague way) that there would be a couple of incomings and outcomings this week? Well there's been nothing other than King's retirement and it's increasingly coming across as guess work.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't see where there needs to be a massive influx of new players right now, anyway.

Surely AVB will want to run the rule over the players he has, see them in some friendlies, study their strengths and weaknesses - essentially giving Levy a second opinion on all the players Harry would may have written off - before deciding where he would like to strengthen and who with.

Ade is an obvious necessity, no squad study required there, but as far as everywhere else goes it makes sense to me that we may not see much, if any, movement in/out of the team until the end of the USA tour.

I don't mind the management taking some time to get to know the squad before they go about making replacements, especially when some have already been brought in. When they know what they need I have no doubt we'll be seeing new faces - there's plenty of time left.

The last time we had a massive influx of new players a constant refrain on here was, 'When Juande gets his own team together', which conveniently ignored the point that the squad he'd inherited was supposed to be capable of challenging for a top four place.

 

[valtrane]

If Ade isn't with the squad for the US it's not as much of a problem as any other signings. Having been with us last year it's not as though he'd need time to settle in with the squad.

I'd imagine he'd need to get to grips with AVB's methods, and the earlier we sign him the better, but I don't think it's the end of the world if he's not on the plane this weekend.