The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Dougal]

Yep.

Our transfer dealings took a massive dive when Poch role was changed to manager.

And re: other posts Vertonghendecline and Aurier being iffy, why on earth didn’t Poch address that in the summer?

We're supposed to have been happy to let Aurier go with Foyth and KWP felt to be good options, so why isn’t Poch using them rather than Aurier who wanted out? Otherwise we should have bought a new right back.

Left back I can only presume Sessegnon is seen as answer as seems odd how we treated Rose and yet didn’t replace him.

And in training Poch didn’t seem to notice that Vertonghen was declining and losing pace? For me, the great managers know when to tweak a side and Poch should have been scouting and looking for a left-sided centre back with a view to easing Vertonghen out.

To me Poch just comes across as sloppy and not knowing what he is doing at the moment; he has far more knowledge of football than likes of me so how can he not see what is wrong with the squad and still keep making the same stupid selections and not know how to use substitutes properly??

I find it difficult to believe that Poch has suddenly become sloppy at a job that is so easy that there’s an excess of experts available on the internet.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

I will always back the best football manger of spurs in my lifetime and i am nearly 50 for a longer period of 3 months.

I'm sorry but he's not better than Burkinshaw, given the trophies he won, and Billy Nich was still in charge when you were alive (though i know what you mean, given you were a kid when he was still in charge)

You talk about demeanor - let me ask you if you were Poch and you warned that this would happen and it did would you be pissed off?

Absolutely - that was my point - he's pissed off. But it's impacting the squad. He kept flirting with United and Real, and made it clear he wanted to leave if he won the CL, was unhappy with his influence and lack of signings. If you were a player whose contract was up for renewal, being paid below market, would you sign for someone not knowing if they were going to hang around, and they kept moaning? Every organisation is impacted by how the leader behaves - we're no different.

i love Poch, he's given us some incredible times and results, and i want him to turn it around - I just think there's too much water under the bridge

 

[wrd]

Yep.

Our transfer dealings took a massive dive when Poch role was changed to manager.

And re: other posts Vertonghen decline and Aurier being iffy, why on earth didn’t Poch address that in the summer?

We're supposed to have been happy to let Aurier go with Foyth and KWP felt to be good options, so why isn’t Poch using them rather than Aurier who wanted out? Otherwise we should have bought a new right back.

Left back I can only presume Sessegnon is seen as answer as seems odd how we treated Rose and yet didn’t replace him.

And in training Poch didn’t seem to notice that Vertonghen was declining and losing pace? For me, the great managers know when to tweak a side and Poch should have been scouting and looking for a left-sided centre back with a view to easing Vertonghen out.

To me Poch just comes across as sloppy and not knowing what he is doing at the moment; he has far more knowledge of football than likes of me so how can he not see what is wrong with the squad and still keep making the same stupid selections and not know how to use substitutes properly??

Vert: he went through the action of dropping him and the whole of SC collectively lost their shit at him.
Aurier: It sounds like he wanted to leave, we already moved one right back out and we couldn't move Aurier on. KWP had an opportunity and hasn't taken it. Aurier has made mistakes but overall on the basis of play Aurier has had better showings.
Rose: We tried to force out and couldn't get a buyer, SC was having a meltdown that we were trying to shift Rose with no replacement.

So what is Poch meant to do, the club can't shift these players in order to free up space for a replacement, in Auriers case he's been the better option thus far although I'd like to see Foyth get an opportunity. With Vert as I say you're now calling Poch sloppy but I bet you were as dumbfounded as much as anyone when he was first dropped. It's all easy in hindsight though aint it.

 

[tobi]

My problem is that especially when he and Son play together, their movement is too similar and both tend to drift inside and crowd Kane. Newcastle at home is the example below

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Coaching will solve this but there hasn't been much evidence of that in a long time.

Our attacks are basic and have had no structure since the last season at WHL.

 

[Shadydan]

Yep.

Our transfer dealings took a massive dive when Poch role was changed to manager.

And re: other posts Vertonghendecline and Aurier being iffy, why on earth didn’t Poch address that in the summer?

We're supposed to have been happy to let Aurier go with Foyth and KWP felt to be good options, so why isn’t Poch using them rather than Aurier who wanted out? Otherwise we should have bought a new right back.

Left back I can only presume Sessegnon is seen as answer as seems odd how we treated Rose and yet didn’t replace him.

And in training Poch didn’t seem to notice that Vertonghen was declining and losing pace? For me, the great managers know when to tweak a side and Poch should have been scouting and looking for a left-sided centre back with a view to easing Vertonghen out.

To me Poch just comes across as sloppy and not knowing what he is doing at the moment; he has far more knowledge of football than likes of me so how can he not see what is wrong with the squad and still keep making the same stupid selections and not know how to use substitutes properly??

RE Vertonghen

Probably expected a drop off but not to this extent. He was fine last season and towards the end of it there was a small decline but not really that noticeable and certainly not enough to look completely for a new CB besides in Sanchez, Davies and Dier I guess he thought we had enough cover which is fair enough, having said that we did go in for Saliba maybe he was Jan's cover, maybe he was Toby's replacement however I don't think we can blame Poch on this one.

Incidentally there's been a steady decline since he got that head injury against Ajax.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

And in training Poch didn’t seem to notice that Vertonghen was declining and losing pace? For me, the great managers know when to tweak a side and Poch should have been scouting and looking for a left-sided centre back with a view to easing Vertonghen out.

...and then waiting for Levy to sign him with 5 mins to go on deadline day.

 

[DJS]

I find it difficult to believe that Poch has suddenly become sloppy at a job that is so easy that there’s an excess of experts available on the internet.

My post actually did say it’s silly people on here can see things that he doesn’t seem to be able to, given he has more football expertise) - go back and re-read my post. ;-)

And you don’t think he’s been sloppy this season?

Just because you had your pic taken with him doesn’t mean you have to defend him blindly lol.

 

[DJS]

RE Vertonghen

Probably expected a drop off but not to this extent. He was fine last season and towards the end of it there was a small decline but not really that noticeable and certainly not enough to look completely for a new CB besides in Sanchez, Davies and Dier I guess he thought we had enough cover which is fair enough, having said that we did go in for Saliba maybe he was Jan's cover, maybe he was Toby's replacement however I don't think we can blame Poch on this one.

Incidentally there's been a steady decline since he got that head injury against Ajax.

But there must have surely been some indication over pre-season?

Also the fact that he then did subsequently drop him from opening few games.

Seemed a bit too late by that point to be taking action.

 

[whitesocks]

Absolute nonsense to suggest Liverpool were in any way outstanding - they were casual, as was their finishing. They thought they'd just have to turn up to get the win, and they were absolutely right. Our approach was worse.

Play with that poor attitude and lack of intensity away from home and we would lose near every time against any prem side. And that is exactly what has happened in 2019.
We play as if we have 10 men. Intense pressing is not an option with such a deficit. Any sustained possession is risky.

MP has always taken the view that he owes us no explanation on the players he picks and the system he plays. If we win, then he was right, lose and he is wrong.
What he doesn't seem to accept is that if his methods/selections are repeatedly proved to be wrong by his own measurement, then he needs to make changes. And if he happens to stumble on a system that works, then that should be built on rather than scrapped.

 

[Shadydan]

But there must have surely been some indication over pre-season?

Also the fact that he then did subsequently drop him from opening few games.

Seemed a bit too late by that point to be taking action.

Centre back clearly wasn't a priority so I don't see the point of this really, none of us saw this coming.

What's exasperated the issue with our CB's is the lack of cover from midfield and the full backs, that's where the real issues lay.

 

[DJS]

Centre back clearly wasn't a priority so I don't see the point of this really, none of us saw this coming.

What's exasperated the issue with our CB's is the lack of cover from midfield and the full backs, that's where the real issues lay.

I don’t care whether you see the point of it or not lol, we should have been looking to get some left-sided centre back cover for Vertonghen.

 

[Shadydan]

I don’t care whether you see the point of it or not lol, we should have been looking to get some left-sided centre back cover for Vertonghen.

Ok

 

[wrd]

Centre back clearly wasn't a priority so I don't see the point of this really, none of us saw this coming.

What's exasperated the issue with our CB's is the lack of cover from midfield and the full backs, that's where the real issues lay.

It's all piss easy in hindsight, every1 was saying how shit he was handling Vert when he first dropped him, now we can see why he was dropped it's sloppy from Poch.

 

[Shadydan]

It's all piss easy in hindsight, every1 was saying how shit he was handling Vert when he first dropped him, now we can see why he was dropped it's sloppy from Poch.

And just like that suddenly everyone's an expert...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

MP has always taken the view that he owes us no explanation on the players he picks and the system he plays. If we win, then he was right, lose and he is wrong.
What he doesn't seem to accept is that if his methods/selections are repeatedly proved to be wrong by his own measurement, then he needs to make changes. And if he happens to stumble on a system that works, then that should be built on rather than scrapped.

I must have missed this, it surprises me....... when did he say that those were his methods etc

 

[wrd]

And just like that suddenly everyone's an expert...

When we were in for Saliba everybody was talking about what a waste of time it was because we were loaded at CB and had other priorities. I still think of all the problem areas it was still low on the priority list even with what we've seen now.

 

[DJS]

Ok

Try to learn to not be so condescending when you respond to people, your opinion isn’t the only one in the world ??

 

[DJS]

And just like that suddenly everyone's an expert...

Like so, condescending...

Just no need for it and you constantly do it

 

[Dougal]

My post actually did say it’s silly people on here can see things that he doesn’t seem to be able to, given he has more football expertise) - go back and re-read my post. ;-)

And you don’t think he’s been sloppy this season?

Just because you had your pic taken with him doesn’t mean you have to defend him blindly lol.

Re-read? You’re lucky I bothered even reading your reply!

 

[Shadydan]

Try to learn to not be so condescending when you respond to people, your opinion isn’t the only one in the world ??

Gives out advice about not being condescending in the same sentence which has a condescending tone, brilliant. Just had to add the thumbs up to put the cherry on the smug cake there didn't you

You're actually telling people to go back and re-read your posts and you come out with this BS, wow lol