The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[daryl hannah]

Surely you've al seen how hard it is to sell players that are not wanted, not to mention half of our assets will be available for nothing. It was a stupid statement at the time and it looks even worse now

It's hard to sell them when you price them at say 20 and someone offers 17 and you say "no."

So I've heard...

#JustSayin'

 

[Metalhead]

Pardon?

I wouldn't expect Poch to slag him off but no-one is going to buy him saying that Eriksen is in good form.

 

[yankspurs]

Poch's treatment of KWP absolutely infuriates me. His handling of Eriksen is infuriating me. His pressers are infuriating me. And the form of this team is infuriating me. A top side in the bottom half of the league and no sign of the man in charge even being on shaky ground is infuriating me.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I do wonder if some people aren't a little myopic on this issue.

Pochettino's reign has been overall very impressive in more ways than one.

This bad spell is maybe his first real 'crisis' and although it has lasted a good while, there have been mitigating circumstances plus we managed to grind out a Champions league final and fourth place in the midst of it.

The idea that Levy would not have some loyalty towards Pochettino nor hopes that he can rectify the situation seems daft in the extreme.

And I don't understand it from a fan's perspective either. If there was some great alternative out there that was waiting to come in then maybe, but is anyone remotely as appealing as peak Pochettino? I'd rather give him the time to experiement with what is now a wealth of options in midfield and attack and to regenerate the defence. Has he not earnt that opportunity?

The guy has been a miracle worker for us, no doubt about it. I will be forever grateful for what he did in that 5 year 'chapter'.

There have however always been plenty of questions about his tactical acumen (especially big games) and in game management/subs. His true strength was his fantastic plan A system and his man management. He got a pass from many of us with his tactical naivety (son a LWB in a cup semi?) because he is still relatively young in his career and because the players loved him. Now the motivation is gone and these issues have been magnified.

For me there is a minimum level of expectation and sitting 11th after 11 games, 10 points off 4th placed Leicester who are a club with lower status and resources than us is below it. We love to praise Poch for performing above his means but he's currently being shown up by Brighton, Sheffield Utd and Bournemouth. It goes both ways

He's managed to lose more games in 2019 than any other PL team. Rumours the players have grown tired of his tactics and his voice won't go away. Performances arguably even worse than the results.

You can appreciate what the man has done but also think it's time for a change. It's not like he's going to be short of job offers. In fact I think he needs a fresh start too. He's clearly still not over the CL final based on today's comments. That doubt and disappointment will be trickling down.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If/when poch goes I’d love the Ajax manager ten Haag. They play some seriously beautiful football.

 

[Monkey boy]

If/when poch goes I’d love the Ajax manager ten Haag. They play some seriously beautiful football.

hes also very adept at throwing away impossible leads so he’d fit right in with our mentality.

 

[danielneeds]

If/when poch goes I’d love the Ajax manager ten Haag. They play some seriously beautiful football.

Strongly linked with Bayern as he used to be a youth coach there.

 

[M.I.B.]

I wish someone would teach Poch a new word, other than "dynamic".

I'm seriously fed up of hearing that now.

 

[Lighty64]

Well you'd trust him on the basis of he built the original team in the first place.

if I knew he could rebuild pretty quickly and get the new players playing like we did when we finished 3rd to Leicester and 2nd to Chelsea with new, young, and fresh legs, and then knew that every season Levy would freshen and back him to strengthen the team, I would be quite happy if that man was Poch. the only trouble at present is there are too many if's and buts on that scenario.

 

[Lighty64]

Poch's treatment of KWP absolutely infuriates me. His handling of Eriksen is infuriating me. His pressers are infuriating me. And the form of this team is infuriating me. A top side in the bottom half of the league and no sign of the man in charge even being on shaky ground is infuriating me.

so you're pretty infuriated at the moment then.












what's new, especially coming from 1 of the most infuriating posters on the matchday thread, and I don't even go in there

 

[glacierSpurs]

I don't really agree with this.

I think the reason Levy probably hasn't pulled the trigger is loyalty.

Poch by all accounts had opportunities to move on to Real Madrid or Man U and in both incidents decided to stay with us and sign a new 5 year contract. That contract was the start of a new project in the new stadium.

Poch has been talking about a rebuild since the end of the 17/18 season and the fact we didn't buy anyone that summer window can partly be attributed to still going through the stadium build. It was down to Poch to wring every last drop out of the last group of players last season as we had no one new. He had clearly been promised we would spend money this summer for a much needed reboot.

After waiting until this summer to spend some money, way past when we should have started rebuilding it would be bang out of order of Levy to then sack a manager who was loyal enough to wait around while the stadium issues were sorted. Especially when it can be argued that he is partly culpable for some the problems the team is currently facing.

Loyalty. This really bugs me. Is like a double-edged sword. First, did United and RM really came asking for Poch service? All seemed to be tabloid rumours flaming it.

Second, did Poch dismissed them? I vaguely remembered he did for RM rumours, but didn't think he did for United rumours.

Third, yes he stayed and signed a contract. An improved contract making him one of the highest paid manager in the league and maybe even globally. Imagine our dear Levy who's so stingy in offering wages to players offered Poch one of the highest salary for managers.

Loyalty to me is not about talking to leave if we won the CL. Loyalty to me is about being firm with words on wanting to achieve success with us instead of mangling with ambiguous terms and words in almost every presser.

Loyalty to me has no monetary value attached to it. I know that's likely not possible in today's world. But it's really not like Poch is working for free or peanuts. Signing a five year contract is not a testament of loyalty. Crudely it's also probably could be interpreted as the opposite.

Bottom line is, everything is a fair trade of exchange, its a job. He has to perform. The club didn't owe him anything.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Can we be a bit more realistic with our vocabulary ffs. If you think what Poch has done at this club is ‘miracles’ then it’s also no exaggeration to say he’s been the absolute worst manager in the entire English football league in 2019

 

[Danny1]

Can we be a bit more realistic with our vocabulary ffs. If you think what Poch has done at this club is ‘miracles’ then it’s also no exaggeration to say he’s been the absolute worst manager in the entire English football league in 2019

It’s actually no exaggeration to say he has been the worst manager in the premier league in 2019 having lost more games than any other manager.

 

[slartibartfast]

Loyalty. This really bugs me. Is like a double-edged sword. First, did United and RM really came asking for Poch service? All seemed to be tabloid rumours flaming it.

Second, did Poch dismissed them? I vaguely remembered he did for RM rumours, but didn't think he did for United rumours.

Third, yes he stayed and signed a contract. An improved contract making him one of the highest paid manager in the league and maybe even globally. Imagine our dear Levy who's so stingy in offering wages to players offered Poch one of the highest salary for managers.

Loyalty to me is not about talking to leave if we won the CL. Loyalty to me is about being firm with words on wanting to achieve success with us instead of mangling with ambiguous terms and words in almost every presser.

Loyalty to me has no monetary value attached to it. I know that's likely not possible in today's world. But it's really not like Poch is working for free or peanuts. Signing a five year contract is not a testament of loyalty. Crudely it's also probably could be interpreted as the opposite.

Bottom line is, everything is a fair trade of exchange, its a job. He has to perform. The club didn't owe him anything.

A bit like Gerrard staying loyal to Liverpool and not going to Chelsea and Rooney staying at Man u.
How loyal of them.
And all it took was an extra 200k a week to keep that loyalty.
What dedicated loyal souls they are lol.

 

[spursfan77]

I don't think you're considering the alternative.

Is it crazy to think Levy after years of shit managers, feels he hit the jackpot with Poch?
That instead of backing (if there is truth to it) wantaway players who will be gone from the club in 1-2 years REGARDLESS of if Poch stays or not - Levy is throwing his lot in with the guy who helped get the club to where it is today? Is it nuts to think he feels it would be a gamble to start again, seeing clubs like United roll through managers, spend fortunes and keep receding?

That if he does sack Poch, not only is he rolling the dice but he's doing so having to do a massive payoff to Poch and staff plus the new hires, which would make it harder to complete the squad refresh and potentially take longer for the club to recover to where it was in past seasons?

You're making an assumption that things won't get better under Poch, and based on recent weeks - I get the concern. But there are plenty of common sense reasons to stick it out for now and hope the best manager in my time supporting the club can find his mojo again.

I think you’re right and it’s currently why he’s still in a job. Whether it still applies at the end of the month if we haven’t won another league game though is something else.

 

[Matthew]

That was the day that Poch went mental at Dean i think

yeah it was, but surely after that something happened? like the dressing room saw it and thought he's lost the plot? maybe they had doubts and that was the straw that broke the camels back, in a weird way im looking forward tothis amazon doc, its going to be an absolute shit show, but we can see how the renegades body language is different to the others.

 

[Matthew]

From Dan Kilpatrick:

"Poch says he is happy with Eriksen's commitment and that his level of performance hasn't change in five years. Suggests players in final years of their contract can be more committed than players with four years left."

I'm lost for words.

that is the biggest shower of shit ive heard from him all season, and there's been a lot! why is he protecting a player who could potentially lose him his job, with shit performance after shit performance!

 

[HW61]

that is the biggest shower of shit ive heard from him all season, and there's been a lot! why is he protecting a player who could potentially lose him his job, with shit performance after shit performance!

I agree. I get not slating a player in public...but seriously sometimes it’s best to just say nothing. This just makes him look like he’s got no grip on reality.

 

[EastLondonYid]

that is the biggest shower of shit ive heard from him all season, and there's been a lot! why is he protecting a player who could potentially lose him his job, with shit performance after shit performance!

Maybe so he doesn't put off any potential buyers off completely, if that's not too late that is...

We are pushing to unload him in Jan and get some money for him at least, that would be much harder if Poch came out and said he is absolute shite and doesn't put a shift in don't you think?

 

[muppetman]

Maybe so he doesn't put off any potential buyers off completely, if that's not too late that is...

We are pushing to unload him in Jan and get some money for him at least, that would be much harder if Poch came out and said he is absolute shite and doesn't put a shift in don't you think?

I can't see how he goes in Jan, the ball is in his court and why would he forgo a Ramsay style payout at this stage?