The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Lilbaz]

Neville might like Poch but he doesn't think much of Spurs. What did Neville say recently about Spurs being utter rubbish for the last thirty years that has upset Harry? just heard a snippet on the radio this morning but know nothing else

His whole point was that we are a different team now, where in the past we were looked at as weak now we are stronger.

 

[Monkey boy]

Lol. So the only reason the media are all over this is because they hate us and want to fuck us over? Nothing to do with the fact the most supported team on the planet are looking for a new manager and poch is favourite?

Are you really suggesting that journalists don’t have hidden agendas. The arsenal, West Ham, Chelsea supporting journalists are being completely unbiased and fair and would take no joy in destabilising spurs?

Come on, ask me to write an article on Liverpool or Arsenal and it would be laced with bitterness and distain. Football supporters are the same throughout the land. As hard as they try most journalists and pundits can’t leave club allegiances aside.

 

[Lilbaz]

Are you really suggesting that journalists don’t have hidden agendas. The arsenal, West Ham, Chelsea supporting journalists are being completely unbiased and fair and would take no joy in destabilising spurs?

Come on, ask me to write an article on Liverpool or Arsenal and it would be laced with bitterness and distain. Football supporters are the same throughout the land. As hard as they try most journalists and pundits can’t leave club allegiances aside.

And there will be spurs supporting journalists and pundits who will show a positive spurs bias. To say the media has an anti spurs agenda is silly. Yet each set of fans have a section that think the media is against them. Because they are biassed in favour of their club.

 

[mil1lion]

Isn't so hilarious at all...

We've been better than United in the past 3 years because of what a great job Poch has done under the conditions/budget given. That's all down to Poch and not the Spurs board. Unless a large investor comes in he won't have the sort of budget he wants to take us to the next level instead we would most probably need to sell one of our prized assets to balance to books from the stadium cost. Poch has mentioned nicely in a few conferences already that he wanted players in the summer and that he doesn't have the firepower to compete with the elites for spurs to be real title contenders.

You must be joking if you think the board hasn't backed Mourinho! He wanted two new CBs after spending 80M alone on 3 defenders the last window and none of them even make the X11. The question wasn't weather UTD had the money to spend it was that they had lost confidence in him and rightly so.

That's my point though, it has taken Poch 5 years to get to where we are now. I'm talking about changing the philosophy of a club which takes time. That's the type of manager he is and to be honest I'm shocked we have fans that still don't know this. He doesn't buy his way to success, he builds it. If he goes to Utd he still wants to build.

It's like comparing someone who builds cars versus someone that just buys them. If it's your passion to build it then you'll always do that over buying. Sure you could just buy a new one and win races but if it's not your true passion then is it worth it? Maybe at some point you win 0 races and then decide to just buy before you're too old. Poch isn't at that point yet though.

You mention the transfer window and how the board lost confidence in Mourinho. Bare in mind this is Mourinho we're talking about here. A manager who has won everything there is to win at mulitple clubs. Why on earth would Poch (who hasn't won anything) have any reason to think they wont lose confidence in him as well?

I love Poch, I rate him highly. I'm sure he could succeed at one of the top clubs. However there is no certainty of winning anything at Utd. We're talking about a league with City and Liverpool so dominant now, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea not far away . This is a club that will sack you for not winning anything. Is it really worth the risk?

Maybe in the future when you have less time left but just look at what it did to Moyes. A manager who essentially did at Everton what Poch has here. OK less the Champions League, but in terms of a consistent force on little money. He's the prime example of leaving something really good and finding out the grass isn't greener on the other side.

So does he stay at a club who rewards him with a new contract even though he won nothing in 5 years. Or go to a club who sacks you if you win nothing in 1 year.

 

[Monkey boy]

And there will be spurs supporting journalists and pundits who will show a positive spurs bias. To say the media has an anti spurs agenda is silly. Yet each set of fans have a section that think the media is against them. Because they are biassed in favour of their club.

In a roundabout way you’ve confirmed my point that all pundits and journalists show bias to their preferred clubs.

My original point was that the journalists with allegiances to the likes of the other London clubs will be taking pleasure in stirring the pot as they obviously don’t want to see us doing well. What is so funny or hard to understand about that point?

*Edit - I haven’t said that the media have an anti spurs agenda.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Has anyone on here read Poch’s book ‘A brave new world’? It’s a great insight into the man himself where he talks about loyalty and his great relationship with Levy. There is also a part where he says he would rather play youth players than buy players that may not necessarily fit into the team’s ethos. Paints a picture of a man that has a huge respect for the club and has morals. If he leaves it’ll be because Levy is happy to let him leave I can’t see him pushing for a move.

I can only see him leave if he thinks he can't win trophies here due to the restrictions from above him, that's what's missing for his resume to be considered among the best. As loyalty is important to him if now with the new stadium we are going to focus our ambitions more on the pitch and not the bank balance I think he will stay long term and we could be in for a good few years.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

In a roundabout way you’ve confirmed my point that all pundits and journalists show bias to their preferred clubs.

My original point was that the journalists with allegiances to the likes of the other London clubs will be taking pleasure in stirring the pot as they obviously don’t want to see us doing well. What is so funny or hard to understand about that point?

*Edit - I haven’t said that the media have an anti spurs agenda.

I'll piggy back on your point that plenty of journo's (with allegiances to other top clubs in the prem, London or otherwise) are happy to pile in when they can. Just look at their twitter feeds yesterday, it's a proper circle jerk.

Chief antagonist is probably Matt Hughes, someone at Spurs must done something so horrendous to him he just never let it go.

Anyway, it's going to be like this for the next four to six months, might aswell strap in for the ride, just think, the TW is around the corner, that'll be fun, right? RIGHT?!

 

[Lilbaz]

In a roundabout way you’ve confirmed my point that all pundits and journalists show bias to their preferred clubs.

My original point was that the journalists with allegiances to the likes of the other London clubs will be taking pleasure in stirring the pot as they obviously don’t want to see us doing well. What is so funny or hard to understand about that point?

Because they will be a very small minority. The main agenda a journalist has is to sell a story that makes his company money. Pundits on tv tell it how they see it. We have a mix of players and managers from different team (usually big ones). But some fans think the whole media has an agenda against their club which is not the case. It is them reading and taking notice mostly of stories regarding their club. A journalist could write two stories scathing about two clubs, fans would only take note and be outraged about the one regarding their club and wouldn't give a shit about the other.

The media do not have an agenda to fuck over spurs. Some spurs fans just think they do because they are defensive of the team they love.

 

[Jaddas]

Poch will have more control with us over everything than he ever will at Utd. Yes they have more money but want a Technical Director and I'm not sure that's something Poch would want. We don't know Utd's plan/job remit for the Technical Director but it is something Poch will consider.

When he signed his contract in 2016, his title was changed from head coach to manager and he didn't want Baldini replaced when he left. Hence, he has a direct line to the part owner/chairman so always knows what's going on. At Utd, he will have the Technical Director, then Woodward and finally the owners.

We've also finished ahead of them 2 out of the past 3 seasons and should do this one, so 3 out of 4. We're the better team, better infrastructure with better fans! Why would he want to leave to a club in turmoil? Levy just needs to loosen the purse strings a little.

Come on Poch, finish what you started with us, we're so close and you don't want to start again. COYS!!!

 

[Hoopspur]

Levy cannot afford to let Poch go.



The backlash would hurt Levy as our sponsors will be queing up to try to terminate deals and the naming rights for the stadium will drop by at least 50%.

The fact that Manure are willing to sacrifice this season totally by not appointing a long term manager despite the availability of people like Zidane can only mean one thing. They're hell-bent on getting Poch in the summer. We'll have to see what Levy does between now and then.

1. Sponsors and naming rights? What if we appointed a high profile manager ourselves?

2. Zidane clearly said he was taking a year off. Why wouldn’t it be him?

 

[chinaman]

I hope something like the following happens in the next week or two:

Levy suddenly calls a Press Conference promising important news.

Then in the presence of all, he mumbles about not able to stand all the rumours about Poch anymore; so he tears up Poch's contract in everyone's face.

Poch asks: "Does that mean I'm free to join Manure?"

Levy: "But I'm giving you a new, much improved contract for 10 years."

Poch: "If I don't sign it, I'm free to go now that I have no contract. How can you be sure I'd sign the new one?"

Levy: " Because I have total trust in your integrity, something missing from football since a long time ago until your appearance."

Poch: "Thank you sir, and I'm signing it."

Various football scribes in unison: " A shit manager who has won nothing deserves a shit club. Shittier still, no more stories to write in the next decade."


Sorry for this. Got bored with nothing to do waiting for the match to start and staying in bed with a bad cold.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Fact is we have won nothing of note since 1991 - in Nevilles playing days we were mostly near the bottom of the table whilst he was part of an all conquering Utd side. What do you expect him to say about us?

Ok so his insisting that Poch will leave Spurs is basically based on his belief that we are a second rate club elevated by Poch and therefore Poch will be more than happy to leave. Is that the gist of it?

 

[mil1lion]

What irritates me is this constant argument of ambition, because the way I see it what Poch and what Kane are trying to achieve is far far more ambitious than these managers who leave to join big clubs and get their trophy and survive for 4/5 years. Okay Poch could go to United and he wins the title and he will be considered a top manager. However if he stays at spurs and he wins the league, he turns spurs into a dynasty the way Fergie did with United, the way Wenger did at Arsenal then he becomes one of the legendary managers of the game. I believe Poch staying with spurs and trying to turn us into a behemoth is showing more ambition. People can say ooo but resources and backing, fuck me we have the best stadium in europe coming in a month. We have the best training facilities arguably in the world already. People put a limit in their own heads on what can be achieved (not the person I quoted, I'm talking generally) based on what has already happened, they can't envisage a scenario which doesn't go with what they've experienced with the last 20 years.

I'm adamant that Poch and also Kane do not put a ceiling on what they can achieve with spurs and my opinion is in the next 15-20 we will be the next big club because of these people. It's time we as fans stopped being shackled in our beliefs of what this club can go on to do and start believing in our club. Of course there is a chance that he can go United, I'm putting my money that he doesn't. If he goes to United he will be joining the Contes, the Pellergrinis who turn up, win a title where it's expected and are slowly forgotten about. Poch stays here and achieves something and he's up there with Jose, Pep, Fergie and Cruyff imo.

Spot on. Going to Utd and winning trophies isn't really that special. Winning trophies at Spurs when they've only won 1 trophy in 19 years would be special. If it doesn't work he'll still have chance to move to a massive club and win trophies before he retires. These top jobs come around every year.

 

[SpursDave88]

Ok so his insisting that Poch will leave Spurs is basically based on his belief that we are a second rate club elevated by Poch and therefore Poch will be more than happy to leave. Is that the gist of it?

I was talking more about the stuff he said a month or so ago when praising Poch.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

And it's only Moyes who seemed to be given the backing in the transfer market... /QUOTE]

I remember him struggling to get targets and buying his former player fellaini last minute. He wasnt backed either.

 

[Styopa]

The problem Manchester United have is that domestically whatever their budget is Manchester City can match it or better and Liverpool have shown that they are not afraid to spend big either. Not to mention those two teams are years ahead of them in terms of progression and aren't exactly managed by slouches. In Europe PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona all have similar or bigger budgets. Arguably all of those clubs have much better squads than Manchester United. Feasibly Pochettino could spend a ton of cash, improve Man U beyond recognition and still only make second or third albeit playing much better football - which Man U would probably tolerate up to a point but not indefinitely whilst Man City (or possibly even Liverpool) sweep up the big titles.

 

[coys200]

Not sure if this has been raised but just occurred to me. If Levy has an exit plan in next 5 years which is most likely. Losing pochettino could seriously effect that exit price if the club were to slip back to say 6/7 th. Therefore the £50-100 m United may offer is actually chicken feed in Levy’s bigger picture. Basically all Levy has to do to reap the maximum exit plan is keep the status quo for another likely 2-5 years. Therefore by what ever means hanging on to Pochettino is much more crucial to Levy than say this situation 10 years ago.

 

[Tucker]

I hope something like the following happens in the next week or two:

Levy suddenly calls a Press Conference promising important news.

Then in the presence of all, he mumbles about not able to stand all the rumours about Poch anymore; so he tears up Poch's contract in everyone's face.

Poch asks: "Does that mean I'm free to join Manure?"

Levy: "But I'm giving you a new, much improved contract for 10 years."

Poch: "If I don't sign it, I'm free to go now that I have no contract. How can you be sure I'd sign the new one?"

Levy: " Because I have total trust in your integrity, something missing from football since a long time ago until your appearance."

Poch: "Thank you sir, and I'm signing it."

Various football scribes in unison: " A shit manager who has won nothing deserves a shit club. Shittier still, no more stories to write in the next decade."


Sorry for this. Got bored with nothing to do waiting for the match to start and staying in bed with a bad cold.

I think you’ve had too much Lemsip.

 

[chinaman]

I think you’ve had too much Lemsip.

The antihistamine makes me feel topsy-turvy.

 

[Tucker]

The antihistamine makes me feel topsy-turvy.

Feel better soon.