The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[SpartanSpur]

Has anyone listened to this?



Jjetset saying dan kilpatrick is spot on with his summary of us

I did, and felt encouraged by it. However that was before Poch decided to play all of said trouble players again at Brighton and they put in one the most cowardly performances in his entire tenure, when we were all expecting a response. It's like he's not even trying to help himself. I'm sure everything Dan is saying has weight behind it but Poch has his fingerprints all over this decline too.

We've had plenty of other ITK to support that as well. From his non-committal comments about his future, to the stubbornness with a formation the players hate, to his sulking demeanour this summer, it just feels like this amazing journey has run its course. It's so sad to see such a brilliant time crash burn. Look at @Trix posts after Bayern. One was that Brighton would be extremely telling, and I think we got the answer loud and clear.

In fact I'm sure the dressing room is lost, so why persist. I thought I'd calm down on the idea today but now I feel even more convinced that action needs to be made. Horrible to say but for me seems to be the best option.

 

[TOMSPURS]

Ever since Poch wrote his book cracks have started to appear. Stories of player unrest, manager unrest, poor attitude have become more common. When a manager speaks openly about the inner sanctum of the dressing room & then constantly talks about unhappiness with the board & possibly looking to leave it unsettles players.

You can't expect all the players to commit long-term to the club if they feel the manager is looking for a way out. Poch has done a brilliant job for this club, turning a Europa League team into a Champions League team but he has drawn a lot of today's issues on himself. Personally I think to stop the rot & push this club forward we need a manager who has full believe in himself, his methods and the knowledge to win trophies.

Unfortunately I don't see Poch as that person. Jose & Allegri are proven winners who would automatically demand respect & offer a believe to Kane, Son, Alli etc that this club can fulfill their ambitions. We want to be a major club in European football, now we need to act like one.

 

[Johnny J]

Excellent article from Alasdair Gold:

The fall of Eriksen and what comes next for Poch, Levy and Spurs

Here are five talking points from Tottenham's 3-0 defeat at Brighton in the Premier League

www.football.london

No offence to Aly Gold, but he's a terrible writer imo. For example, it's not "ironic" that Eriksen is playing badly after not getting his move to Madrid.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I find it hilarious how some are still using the excuse of him not being backed as a reason for our results, you simply do not get knocked out of a cup against a league 2 side, concede seven at home & then get comfortably beaten by Brighton with our group of players !

 

[gorgeous george]

I find it telling that there have been no players coming out in support of the manager for what seems like a long time.

I believe there are many factors which contributed to the mess we are now in, and one of those is the players have had so many near misses under Poch, that they have completely lost faith in the project and his methods. I also believe he lost the dressing room when he wavered in showing his complete commitment to the club when United were linked and his strange public mutterings.

I don't know about the players, but Poch pretty much lost me when he failed to shut down the United rumours over the New Year. Sure, we were already regressing as a team so my faith in him was wavering, but I'm not surprised if that is when he lost the dressing room.

He's also probably had too many falling outs with players.

The guy got far too big for his boots and I believe let the hype go to his head. I may be way off, but for a guy that has won nothing whatsoever, he sure liked to flirt with other clubs and I felt he showed the fans and club a huge lack of respect. He was always talking in riddles, and you can't really blame it on his english.

He's been here for 5 years and we've gone well passed our peak. Time to get a proven winner, an elite manager in charge who can get this team winning trophies. Someone who can tactically win games against our rivals, and not just rely on motivation.

I would agree that he did not help himyself with the stuff he spouted at press conferences. But was some of it to try and get some power back off the board? I think it's naive to think we will get someone that will change that dynamic. Our transfer policy always let us down. We finish every window with glaring weaknesses. And that has been the case with a succession of managers. Levy is the constant through all that

 

[thelak]

Perhaps Poch just doesn’t have what it takes to take that next step into becoming an elite manager, there’s no shame in that and he’s obviously a very very good manager but just falls short in terms of experience, tactical knowledge and being that ruthless winner to take us and himself that next level.

I think he’s just reached a ceiling personally at this stage in his career.

We should always be thankful for him for making us a consist top four side, for the unbeaten final season at the old WHL and last seasons CL run but all good things come to an end.

Poch was the right fit at the right time when we employed him, the fact that we’ve possibly reached the stage where we need an elite manager to take us to the next level is testament to him.

In time and with the right appointment we will look back at Poch as fondly as we do Martin Jol, as a manager who helped take us another level and put us on the road to progress but reached a ceiling and came up JUST short in the end.

I just don’t think you can say this when he has achieved the progress he has on a comparative shoe string budget

If he had been given lots of cash and backed over the seasons vs our rivals fair enough

Ok he was fortunate he came at the same time as Kane was coming through but he has still outperformed with the tools he has had vs the other elite teams

 

[Ronwol196061]

No offence to Aly Gold, but he's a terrible writer imo. For example, it's not "ironic" that Eriksen is playing badly after not getting his move to Madrid.

Its Poch's statementbout Lloris that's worse....How comes we were not positively affected by our Captain if this is the reason we went down so bad with Brighton.Its all bullshit.He cant take responsibility for anything

Pochettino on his future at Spurs


Mauricio Pochettino felt that watching their captain suffer the horrific injury and stretchered off, with an oxygen mask over his face as he screamed in pain, affected his players.
“Of course, we cannot lie. To concede after three minutes in the way we did and what happened to our captain, it is normal that the impact was massive for the team,” he said.
“It is an emotional game and the team was very affected, we never can be in the game. We did not show our real performance, I am never going to take the credit away from Brighton, we need to give them the credit too, but the team suffered a massive impact after three minutes.”

 

[spursfan77]

I did, and felt encouraged by it. However that was before Poch decided to play all of said trouble players again at Brighton and they put in one the most cowardly performances in his entire tenure, when we were all expecting a response. It's like he's not even trying to help himself. I'm sure everything Dan is saying has weight behind it but Poch has his fingerprints all over this decline too.

We've had plenty of other ITK to support that as well. From his non-committal comments about his future, to the stubbornness with a formation the players hate, to his sulking demeanour this summer, it just feels like this amazing journey has run its course. It's so sad to see such a brilliant time crash burn. Look at @Trix posts after Bayern. One was that Brighton would be extremely telling, and I think we got the answer loud and clear.

In fact I'm sure the dressing room is lost, so why persist. I thought I'd calm down on the idea today but now I feel even more convinced that action needs to be made. Horrible to say but for me seems to be the best option.

I wasn’t. I knew we’d lose. Just like I expect us to lose against Watford and Liverpool. He’s lost the team. We will be lucky to win again until he’s gone. The players have downed tools.

 

[thelak]

I find it telling that there have been no players coming out in support of the manager for what seems like a long time.

I believe there are many factors which contributed to the mess we are now in, and one of those is the players have had so many near misses under Poch, that they have completely lost faith in the project and his methods. I also believe he lost the dressing room when he wavered in showing his complete commitment to the club when United were linked and his strange public mutterings.

I don't know about the players, but Poch pretty much lost me when he failed to shut down the United rumours over the New Year. Sure, we were already regressing as a team so my faith in him was wavering, but I'm not surprised if that is when he lost the dressing room.

He's also probably had too many falling outs with players.

The guy got far too big for his boots and I believe let the hype go to his head. I may be way off, but for a guy that has won nothing whatsoever, he sure liked to flirt with other clubs and I felt he showed the fans and club a huge lack of respect. He was always talking in riddles, and you can't really blame it on his english.

He's been here for 5 years and we've gone well passed our peak. Time to get a proven winner, an elite manager in charge who can get this team winning trophies. Someone who can tactically win games against our rivals, and not just rely on motivation.

What so you were happy with how Levy backed him in the transfer market

It seems the club convinced him to sign a new contract and then failed to deliver the squad improvements

So I don’t completely blame him for his flirting given how ruthless football is and how quickly your stock can rise and fall

Klopp doesn’t flirt as he has been completely backed. We were significantly better than Liverpool 2 years ago and now are miles behind

 

[freeeki]

Two ITKs came in the thread a few pages back to pass on info but since it was bashing Poch many just ignored it. You’ve gotta laugh. People are far too emotionally attached to the guy

Exactly this.

I trust our ITKs.

 

[Ronwol196061]

What so you were happy with how Levy backed him in the transfer market

It seems the club convinced him to sign a new contract and then failed to deliver the squad improvements

So I don’t completely blame him for his flirting given how ruthless football is and how quickly your stock can rise and fall

Klopp doesn’t flirt as he has been completely backed. We were significantly better than Liverpool 2 years ago and now are miles behind

We payed 42 mil for Sanchez.How is Poch doing with Sanchez and what about Lucas Moura?

 

[Johnny J]

Its Poch's statementbout Lloris that's worse....How comes we were not positively affected by our Captain if this is the reason we went down so bad with Brighton.Its all bullshit.He cant take responsibility for anything

Pochettino on his future at Spurs


Mauricio Pochettino felt that watching their captain suffer the horrific injury and stretchered off, with an oxygen mask over his face as he screamed in pain, affected his players.
“Of course, we cannot lie. To concede after three minutes in the way we did and what happened to our captain, it is normal that the impact was massive for the team,” he said.
“It is an emotional game and the team was very affected, we never can be in the game. We did not show our real performance, I am never going to take the credit away from Brighton, we need to give them the credit too, but the team suffered a massive impact after three minutes.”

I mean it was a horrible injury but of all clubs you'd think our players used to seeing teammates getting injured.

 

[coopsy13]

No offence to Aly Gold, but he's a terrible writer imo. For example, it's not "ironic" that Eriksen is playing badly after not getting his move to Madrid.

Next you’ll be saying rain on your wedding day isn’t ironic, or a free ride when you’ve already paid...

 

[Ronwol196061]

I mean it was a horrible injury but of all clubs you'd think our players used to seeing teammates getting injured.

Did they get inspired from Lloris most of the time? I have no idea why Poch even made him a Captain. What could LLoris say to his defence? Kick the ball out to the opposition?????????

 

[markiespurs]

Its Poch's statementbout Lloris that's worse....How comes we were not positively affected by our Captain if this is the reason we went down so bad with Brighton.Its all bullshit.He cant take responsibility for anything

Pochettino on his future at Spurs


Mauricio Pochettino felt that watching their captain suffer the horrific injury and stretchered off, with an oxygen mask over his face as he screamed in pain, affected his players.
“Of course, we cannot lie. To concede after three minutes in the way we did and what happened to our captain, it is normal that the impact was massive for the team,” he said.
“It is an emotional game and the team was very affected, we never can be in the game. We did not show our real performance, I am never going to take the credit away from Brighton, we need to give them the credit too, but the team suffered a massive impact after three minutes.”

It was a horrible injury to Hugo, but for me that should have inspired and motivated the players to get the win even more.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

What so you were happy with how Levy backed him in the transfer market

It seems the club convinced him to sign a new contract and then failed to deliver the squad improvements

So I don’t completely blame him for his flirting given how ruthless football is and how quickly your stock can rise and fall

Klopp doesn’t flirt as he has been completely backed. We were significantly better than Liverpool 2 years ago and now are miles behind

Wish it was so easy, spend money and win titles and compete for CL places.
Liverpool spend on incoming transfers in last five seasons approx. £508 million , result success , CL winners and unbeaten this season in PL.
Everton spend on incoming transfers last five seasons approx. £502 million, result failure .
Man Utd spend last five seasons approx £703 million, result in a different galaxy compared to Man City.

All figures taken from transfermarket .co.uk only includes money spent on incoming transfers not money received from outgoing transfers.

 

[thelak]

We payed 42 mil for Sanchez.How is Poch doing with Sanchez and what about Lucas Moura?

I’m not sure Moura was a Poch signing - clearly a bargain here you go offering from Levy

But the fact that you can only name 2 signings is the point - not really the sort of backing others have had

He got backed this summer but clearly we haven’t seen the benefits of that as yet due to injuries / fitness

And it shows you can build a squad in bursts that successfully vs consistent and constant evolution which is not what has happened at Spurs

 

[thelak]

Wish it was so easy, spend money and win titles and compete for CL places.
Liverpool spend on incoming transfers in last five seasons approx. £508 million , result success , CL winners and unbeaten this season in PL.
Everton spend on incoming transfers last five seasons approx. £502 million, result failure .
Man Utd spend last five seasons approx £703 million, result in a different galaxy compared to Man City.

All figures taken from transfermarket .co.uk only includes money spent on incoming transfers not money received from outgoing transfers.

Yes As always it’s how you spend it that matters

 

[panoma]

One part of me says sack him. He has a great squad and we have showed relegation form for almost a year, yet he keeps playing players who clearly have no plans to stick around and/or performs badly.

The other part of me wan't him to stick around and try and steady the ship. He has shown himself capable in the past.

Besides, why should he get a BIG payoff and be let of the hook? If Levy keeps him he has to improve or he will destroy his own reputation.

He really think Madrid will be interested in what he's currently selling?

 

[dace]

I think it was @Spurs' Pipe Dreams who used a similar analogy in the Brexit thread regarding eating out at restaurants and I think it could apply here too, so, sorry SPD for applying it differently.

You're taking Poch out for dinner for the night, and take him to your favourite restaurant and you're paying. He's gets shown a menu and you ask him what he'd like. He says he doesn't like anything on the menu. You leave and ask him what restaurant he'd like to go to. He's not bothered. He starts to get in a bit of a mood. You take him to a new restaurant, he's still being a bit moody, and doesn't like anything on this menu either. He starts moaning to the waiter that other restaurants have food he likes, so you offer to take him there. He doesn't want to go now.

You give up and get a cab. Poch sits there in a mood, so you ask him wtf he's so moody. He says 'I'm hungry'.

HEY . You going out with my EX !