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Not signing anyone in those 2 windows has killed us. So important to keep improving and keeping things fresh. From what I hear this was Poch's decision and for me is the biggest reason why we have gone backwards.
Rebuild for what though? Another 5 years without a trophy? Other teams ala Lester are now catching up with us.
We have a great squad now, even without CE, TA, DR etc...
Not signing anyone in those 2 windows has killed us. So important to keep improving and keeping things fresh. From what I hear this was Poch's decision and for me is the biggest reason why we have gone backwards.
This really clears the air. And for that I really don't think Levy has that much as a sticking point to compensate by sacking Poch.To put that in perspective. The 30-35m compensation; would be paid over the duration of his reading years on the contract. In other words, yearly, and not upfront! Unless there is a reduced pay-off settlement. And I doubt that would happen. So technically, he would be paid out for the remaining months, likely kept on salary. And done sort of upfront payment, which I can’t see exceeding 10m, with the balance paid yearly, or monthly. So do not be fooled to think the board would not ditch if things do not change.
I don't see why we should when this group of players should have been making strides to close the gap on the top two. We have some players who rather than ship out would benefit from new methods and a new voice.
It happened at Chelsea multiple times. Mourinhos last season they were in free fall and talking about ditching a number of their players, the following season they get a new coach who makes minimal changes and they win the title.
Now ripping things up and rebuilding MAY work out but why go through that when we are so close anyway?
He also had a ton of money to buy whoever he wanted even if they were expensive and he sold any player that peed him off.23 points from 22 league matches is surely sackable? That is a disgusting return. Yesterday is a just another disaster from Poch in terms of line ups, tactics, and substitutions in a long list of disasters.
It has all gone stale and change is needed ASAP. He has been at the club for 6 years, largely with the same players and the same back room staff, he has failed to keep things fresh. The 2 windows of not signing anyone has killed us as well, Poch & Levy to blame for this.
I think 6 years is about the maximum for a manager these days anyway. The days of Fergie & Wenger have long gone. The likes of Pep & Klopp will probably only do 6 years also.
The genius of Fergie was that he kept things fresh with changes to his back room staff every 5/6 years. He signed 1 or 2 players even when United were on top to freshen things up and to keep improving. We have done nothing of the sort even when we were on the up. Massive mistake.
What the fuck is all this rebuild shit.
It's just more excuses. A few players want to leave, big deal.
This squad should still be more than good enough.
I'm more worried about Kane wanting out because its gone on so long now.
One of my bigger problems with our fanbase is how accepting we are of Tottenham’s bullshit just because it’s Tottenham. I look at all the other top 6 fanbases and although they’re all entitled and arrogant, they set the tone for the club and the standards that are acceptable. I don’t think UTD or Arsenal will be this poor forever as their lot just won’t accept it. I feel like a lot of people who are Poch In also follow the ‘remember the 90s’ mindset which only holds us backAs opposed to people who'll just happily sit back and watch the club be average like we have our whole lives. Maybe some of us longer supporting fans are part of the problem tolerating the bad times and mediocrity. I sit there in my seat in the south lower and its full of guys in their 50s doing nothing but sitting there not even singing or getting one bit emotional about the game and it does my head in. It's meant to be the part of the ground which drives the team on but it doesn't. Now maybe if we had a few younger, newer fans that might help. Those that want success and arent tarnish by decades of under achievement.
Just a thought.
TBF it's the paying fans that could decide Poch's fate but how often realistically do fans vote with their feet and force the hand of their club? Wenger brought tremendous success to arsenal but the last few years were relatively turgid but aside from people moaning on AFTV what did they actually do?One of my bigger problems with our fanbase is how accepting we are of Tottenham’s bullshit just because it’s Tottenham. I look at all the other top 6 fanbases and although they’re all entitled and arrogant, they set the tone for the club and the standards that are acceptable. I don’t think UTD or Arsenal will be this poor forever as their lot just won’t accept it. I feel like a lot of people who are Poch In also follow the ‘remember the 90s’ mindset which only holds us back
I’ve been a match going fan (or at least properly aware of football and not just playing it) since 2008. I didn’t see the true dark points of Tottenham simply because I wasn’t alive for it. And while I’m aware we’re in one of our brightest points in decades, I also think we can push on and become a real permanent force if changes are made. One of those changes IMO has to come from the fans. But then at the same time, the club have to start winning things in the modern era to force that mentality change
I’d say AFTV definitely helped bring Wenger down for them and they made the issue a lot bigger. I don’t want us to be like AFTV but stillTBF it's the paying fans that could decide Poch's fate but how often realistically do fans vote with their feet and force the hand of their club? Wenger brought tremendous success to arsenal but the last few years were relatively turgid but aside from people moaning on AFTV what did they actually do?
One of my bigger problems with our fanbase is how accepting we are of Tottenham’s bullshit just because it’s Tottenham. I look at all the other top 6 fanbases and although they’re all entitled and arrogant, they set the tone for the club and the standards that are acceptable. I don’t think UTD or Arsenal will be this poor forever as their lot just won’t accept it. I feel like a lot of people who are Poch In also follow the ‘remember the 90s’ mindset which only holds us back
I’ve been a match going fan (or at least properly aware of football and not just playing it) since 2008. I didn’t see the true dark points of Tottenham simply because I wasn’t alive for it. And while I’m aware we’re in one of our brightest points in decades, I also think we can push on and become a real permanent force if changes are made. One of those changes IMO has to come from the fans. But then at the same time, the club have to start winning things in the modern era to force that mentality change
The fans have never really needed to get militant over managers in the past as DL has always been pretty quick to dismiss them even in the case of Jol where we all felt uncomfortable. In the dim and distant past, I think back to the furore that led to Sugar selling the club (not that it was particularly pleasant) so Spurs fans aren't necessarily on the timid side. AFTV may have had an effect but it took a long time.I’d say AFTV definitely helped bring Wenger down for them and they made the issue a lot bigger. I don’t want us to be like AFTV but still
Bit of a shame to see people on here trying to re write History and claim Poch wasn’t all that now
It is probably time to move on but pretty weird seeing people compare him to AVB when we all know how turgid and Bale reliant that period was
Brilliant post. The mentality of some of our fans needs to change, I said this to friends after the CL final. It just seemed like we was just happy to be there and the lack of expectation at times astonishes me. We have the most expensive tickets in the land, the best stadium and training facilities etc etc. Too many Spurs fans keep referring to the 90's where we were the epitome of mid table, but the truth is we have been regular top 6 for 15 years now. Before I would say 1992/3 we were also one of the big boys. In the 80's regular trophies and European football. Certainly the glamour club of London with the highest crowds in the capital regularly.
We aren't a rags to riches story we are massive club with a great history and this should come with it's own pressures. There is no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the top honors and winning trophies as we have done in our illustrious history.
All this happy to be there rubbish and "it wasnt as bad as the 90's" needs to be stop.
To Dare Is To Do and all that.