The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Trix]

I do find some of the sticks Spurs fans beat Levy with rather odd. I never wanted Poch sacked but bringing in Mourinho and Conte are hardly the acts of a Chairman not seeking to go the next missing step. Not hiring Ten Haag was, to me, the biggest mistake of that period but I never dreamt Levy would land Conte but he did. Big tick despite how its ended.

Also the Super League? WTF is Levy supposed to do there - say "no" and potentially have Spurs locked out of the elite level? Again I personally find the Super League idea distasteful and am glad it fell apart but I'd be "Levy out" if he HADN'T positioned Spurs to be on the inside of that. Would have been a major dereliction of duty.

Paratici? We all wanted a DOF and now he's banned Levy is in a difficult position because he has an appeal pending. The people up on their moral high horse have never had to face such decisions.

One thing is clear - we need a shake up from Top to bottom and a reset but I'm not sure I'd trust any of the Enic-outer frothers with making those decisions.

Thing is what you are doing here is weighing up the good v the bad which is the wrong way to look at it and it wouldn't wash in any other walk of life. If you kept making the same very costly mistakes as the CEO of any other organisation that annoyed your customers you'd be moved on regardless of how many other things you did well.

 

[Albertbarich]

Listen to Tim Vickery on Last word on Spurs yesterday.

He made such a great point about identity and how we are betraying it.

Great stuff.

 

[rightwayup]

Would have thought Levy has got himself into as dangerous a position as he has ever been in. Joe did not become very very rich by being sentimental and there must be a point in which he (parent company owning majority shares) removes Levy as CEO or at least reduces his football control. If Paratici has brought Spurs into disrepute, then Levy must be at least partly responsible for this whole shitshow.

Buts that probably just wishful thinking.

 

[Trix]

Would have thought Levy has got himself into as dangerous a position as he has ever been in. Joe did not become very very rich by being sentimental and there must be a point in which he (parent company owning majority shares) removes Levy as CEO. If Paratici has brought Spurs into disrepute, then Levy must be at least partly responsible for this whole shitshow.

Depends how far removed Joe is from the football side of things. If he's all about the bottom line and nothing else then he won't give a monkey's about any of this negative media stuff as the money keeps rolling in regardless.

 

[ukdy]

Depends how far removed Joe is from the football side of things. If he's all about the bottom line and nothing else then he won't give a monkey's about any of this negative media stuff as the money keeps rolling in regardless.

Totally agree. If it’s bottom line focussed among his other investments, when the dip in revenue/profits is shown on a biannual/annual chart… then he’ll say “hmmmmm”. He’s not looking at daily Beavertown sales and SSN & Twitter saying “bloody hell”.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Depends how far removed Joe is from the football side of things. If he's all about the bottom line and nothing else then he won't give a monkey's about any of this negative media stuff as the money keeps rolling in regardless.

I’m guessing since the shitshow of decision after decision since 2018 invisible joe cares little about anything other than the bottom line. As long Levy maintains financial growth from whatever property or entertainment project he has next seems Levy has free run to fuck things up on the pitch time after time. Fundamentally not caring or demanding winners from the top is why we have failed and continue to fail.

 

[YB123]

With the itk from h88 elsewhere, I wonder if this could aid VL in squeezing baldy out? Fully acknowledging that I have no clue if things would be better with her.

Levy's cult will say "careful what you wish for" "grass isn't always greener"

I'd respond with "to dare is to do".

 

[soflapaul]

Thing is what you are doing here is weighing up the good v the bad which is the wrong way to look at it and it wouldn't wash in any other walk of life. If you kept making the same very costly mistakes as the CEO of any other organisation that annoyed your customers you'd be moved on regardless of how many other things you did well.

The problem is that DL is not making "costly" mistakes from Enic's perspective. Yes, the customers are annoyed and more, but demand for the product isn't waning enough to make a difference. Just demand for what the product is doing.

DL has created a business with multiple income streams and those streams don't seem to be dissipating any time soon because so much inertia is built into the system between legacy fans, EPL TV rights, expanding markets, etc. It's as if we were a store in mall that keeps improving and ready to compete with Neiman Marcus. (or as we call it in the States, Needless Mark up) yet he is trying to sell Walmart products at a Neiman Marcus price (ticket price) and the TV revenue (plus real estate, concerts, cheese room, go Kart) acts as a backstop which could allow him to bring better product to the consumer but doesn't. And if the customer is ultimately JL and not us, then it makes perfect sense that he is still here.

I still think his goal is trying to create a sustainable business plan that can compete the oil money, etc long term. The problem is that his business model worked great for an up and coming team but fails miserably when trying to make it to that next tier. He brought in arguably world class managers but failed to upgrade the quality of players commensurately. We knew Conte needed Pirelli's on that Lamborghini of his and we gave him retread truck tires instead.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Thing is what you are doing here is weighing up the good v the bad which is the wrong way to look at it and it wouldn't wash in any other walk of life. If you kept making the same very costly mistakes as the CEO of any other organisation that annoyed your customers you'd be moved on regardless of how many other things you did well.

Um... Actually I didn't do anything of the sort. I just remarked that some of the things people beat Levy up about aren't, in my opinion, things he did wrong.

I do, however, think he's done a lot of other "bad" things which is why at the end of the post you quoted I said it was clear we need a shake up from top to bottom.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Levy's cult will say "careful what you wish for" "grass isn't always greener"

I'd respond with "to dare is to do".

‘’to dare is to do’’

never heard of it. What’s that mean then.

 

[Trix]

The problem is that DL is not making "costly" mistakes from Enic's perspective. Yes, the customers are annoyed and more, but demand for the product isn't waning enough to make a difference. Just demand for what the product is doing.

DL has created a business with multiple income streams and those streams don't seem to be dissipating any time soon because so much inertia is built into the system between legacy fans, EPL TV rights, expanding markets, etc. It's as if we were a store in mall that keeps improving and ready to compete with Neiman Marcus. (or as we call it in the States, Needless Mark up) yet he is trying to sell Walmart products at a Neiman Marcus price (ticket price) and the TV revenue (plus real estate, concerts, cheese room, go Kart) acts as a backstop which could allow him to bring better product to the consumer but doesn't. And if the customer is ultimately JL and not us, then it makes perfect sense that he is still here.

I still think his goal is trying to create a sustainable business plan that can compete the oil money, etc long term. The problem is that his business model worked great for an up and coming team but fails miserably when trying to make it to that next tier. He brought in arguably world class managers but failed to upgrade the quality of players commensurately. We knew Conte needed Pirelli's on that Lamborghini of his and we gave him retread truck tires instead.

Ok I'll put it another way if the CEO specifically of a big company was getting this much negative press in any other industry he'd be gone.

 

[YB123]

People with a different opinion to you aren't 'frothers.' Have some respect.

Ignore him

 

[Snarfalicious]

Is the bad man gone yet?

 

[spursfan77]

Depends how far removed Joe is from the football side of things. If he's all about the bottom line and nothing else then he won't give a monkey's about any of this negative media stuff as the money keeps rolling in regardless.

Well, there was rumours that Poch was his pick when he came in, due to his contacts in Argentina pushing him his way and really recommending him. So he can on occasion but who really knows.

 

[AngryBob]

It's clear Levy is only judged on his ability to make commercial decisions; therefore, that is the sole purpose of this 'football' club as a commercial enterprise. Because if his job were to deliver footballing success, he would have been gone a long, long time ago. Longest serving Chairman in the PL with the least trophies or relative success.

All this manager nonsense is such a fucking joke. It doesn't matter who we end up convincing to jump on board the titanic, the same thing will happen, and then it will happen again and again. It already HAS.

The club is toxic atm, and from the academy to the managerless women's team, to the men's first team and scouting and directors, the list goes on. And who is responsible for all that? If such a shitshow had been made of our commercial investments, he'd be gone, out on his arse. If we lost NFL and all the Beyonce's started going elsewhere, I'm sure there would be some rumblings in the Bahamas, but they don't. They run like a well-oiled machine because that's really all that matters to the owners and investors.

Funnily enough, we have the power to change things, but we're so institutionalised we accept our fate, roll over and keep fueling the patterns and behaviours that are tearing the soul out of our club. MAKE A FUCKING STAND, for god's sake. Walk out halftime on Monday, do something, and be a bit French about it; there's a momentum we need to tap into, and the eyes are starting to turn towards the board (no one else left).

 

[soflapaul]

Ok I'll put it another way if the CEO specifically of a big company was getting this much negative press in any other industry he'd be gone.

Fully agree with that. Dozens of examples. In my quest to come up with an example, the first name that i thought of was Chainsaw Al Dunlap. And to your point, he is the poster child of the impact of bad press created by upset investors do to funny accounting.

Side note: i attempted to cheat by going to Chat GPT4 and asked it for names of CEOs that made lots of money for investors even though they had upset customers. It responded that it was unethical to do so. Cheers.

 

[Martinhotspur]

Is the bad man gone yet?

He won't go unless another bad man stumps up a few billion to shift him.

 

[UncleBuck]

I’ve just uninstalled the club app, yet another post fired out to try and take the heat off, that must be about twenty this week which are all irrelevant to our current situation.
I’m sick and tired of the rubbish the club are throwing out at the moment so I’m done.

 

[olliec]

Interesting how the environment will be in our next home game. It’s really starting to ramp up now. More than I have seen before, especially on social media.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Just to cheer people up, we could have him as Chairman for another 80 years

More happy birthdays! Research says people could live to 141

A scientist has predicted that men could live for as long as 141 years and women could reach over 130

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