The VAR Thread

[Marty]

A Vertonghen v Sunderland situation in the Norwegian cup today, where a Tromsø player is called offside despite being inside his own half when the ball was played. Would've made it 3-1 in injury time. No VAR in the Cup despite the ground being equipped for it for league and European games.

And to make matters worse, in the remaining added minutes Bodø/Glimt scored twice to turn the tie around after Tromsø understandably lost their heads.

But when you can't trust top flight referees to get even the basic rules right... I don't like VAR but I'm finding it hard to argue too hard against it.

 

[taidgh]

A Vertonghen v Sunderland situation in the Norwegian cup today, where a Tromsø player is called offside despite being inside his own half when the ball was played. Would've made it 3-1 in injury time. No VAR in the Cup despite the ground being equipped for it for league and European games.

And to make matters worse, in the remaining added minutes Bodø/Glimt scored twice to turn the tie around after Tromsø understandably lost their heads.

But when you can't trust top flight referees to get even the basic rules right... I don't like VAR but I'm finding it hard to argue too hard against it.

That's terrible. That shouldn't happen at the top level of football. It wasn't even really that close. That's just the AR switching off.

 

[cwy21]

He's onside but when we first see the player his shoulder is almost to the halfway line. It's a bad call but it's not 2m onside.

 

[aliyid]

After that shocking decision tonight thought it was worth resurrecting this thread but… I’m defending VAR.

VAR did exactly what it needed to do, ref ignored it first time around. VAR saw the challenge and instructed the on-field ref to take a 2nd look but somehow the ref yet again decided the keeper clattering the Wolves player wasn’t a pen

Good job by VAR and a shocking call by the on-field ref. Can understand the real-time decision as probably thought the GK was playing the ball but to bottle it after a 2nd look is just scandalous.

***** edit - ignore me, that didn’t happen and VAR is still corrupt *****

 

[DarwinSpur]

After that shocking decision tonight thought it was work resurrecting this thread but… I’m defending VAR.

VAR did exactly what it needed to do, ref ignored it first time around. VAR saw the challenge and instructed the on-field ref to take a 2nd look but somehow the ref yet again decided the keeper clattering the Wolves player wasn’t a pen

Good job by VAR and a shocking call by the on-field ref. Can understand the real-time decision as probably thought the GK was playing the ball but to bottle it after a 2nd look is just scandalous.

The Ref wasn't instructed to take a second look.

Instead he went to the touchline to book Gary O'Neill the Wolves Manager for dissent.

Clusterfuck by all the officials involved. Including VAR.

 

[midoshairband]

After that shocking decision tonight thought it was work resurrecting this thread but… I’m defending VAR.

VAR did exactly what it needed to do, ref ignored it first time around. VAR saw the challenge and instructed the on-field ref to take a 2nd look but somehow the ref yet again decided the keeper clattering the Wolves player wasn’t a pen

Good job by VAR and a shocking call by the on-field ref. Can understand the real-time decision as probably thought the GK was playing the ball but to bottle it after a 2nd look is just scandalous.

that's not what happened. VAR checked it and cleared it. all the ref went to the touchline for was to book the Wolves manager.

 

[bradfordspur]

It’s the inconsistency again. Onana commits an assault on two players with no chance of getting ball and VAR waves it away. Sonny barely touches the Brentford player who goes down dramatically after a three second delay and VAR refers it - commentators say ‘there was contact’. Ask thecWolves players what contact felt like! The only feasible explanation tonight - it was Old Trafford and United were leading by one goal.

 

[Dannyspur]

 

[aliyid]

The Ref wasn't instructed to take a second look.

Instead he went to the touchline to book Gary O'Neill the Wolves Manager for dissent.

Clusterfuck by all the officials involved. Including VAR.

Ahhhh my bad in that case fuck VAR

The commentary app I was using said the below and I saw the VAR screen so assumed he’d been called over

 

[BorjeSpurs]

The 11 min added time in our first half versus Brentford seemed quite excessive with only one injury break and one VAR check.

It took a really long time after the penalty incident before the ball ran out of the play and the ref was asked to look at the monitor. Does anyone know if this 1,5-2 minute window was added on to the first half added time?

The logic then being that the time played between the incident and the stop in play is effectively ‘dead time’, because if we scored 0-2 at the other end it wouldn’t have counted if they then decide to give the previous pen?

 

[robbiedee]

Officiating in football is getting worse and worse, both VAR and on field.

Players now get booked for challenging the ref decision (fair enough), players/managers get fined if they say anything post match - I know refs are only human yada, yada, yada but they can make terrible on field decisions with no real accountability.

VAR was designed to help shit calls like last night and both managed to get it wrong. From match it’s so inconsistent - are the clowns running the circus or is football bent?

 

[nidge]

The problem is that VAR's decision making process is still hidden behind a veil of secrecy with only hand picked obvious decisions given to the likes of Sky to promote how well VAR functions by the PGMOL

It needs full transparency where all conversations between on-pitch match offficals and VAR officials are made available. It's the only way for refs to improve is by making them fully accountable for the decisions they make.

 

[allatsea]

The problem is that VAR's decision making process is still hidden behind a veil of secrecy with only hand picked obvious decisions given to the likes of Sky to promote how well VAR functions by the PGMOL

It needs full transparency where all conversations between on-pitch match offficals and VAR officials are made available. It's the only way for refs to improve is by making them fully accountable for the decisions they make.

It also needs to speed up its decision making. As an example why did it take so long to decide Romero's goal was OK ? A very quick look should have been enough to confirm a Brentford player had clearly put him onside.

 

[chas vs dave]

It’s the inconsistency again. Onana commits an assault on two players with no chance of getting ball and VAR waves it away. Sonny barely touches the Brentford player who goes down dramatically after a three second delay and VAR refers it - commentators say ‘there was contact’. Ask thecWolves players what contact felt like! The only feasible explanation tonight - it was Old Trafford and United were leading by one goal.

However, Vicario takes down three Brentford player in the box, and it's not a penalty.

You could argue that it was consistent, in terms of keepers fouling off the ball.

 

[Push & Run]

If this was a rugby match he would of been sent off for a high tackle/dangerous play. Appears that in football at Old Trafford anything goes!

 

[muppetman]

Put it in the bin - what we gain isn't worth what we lose by having it.

It's inconsistent and way too slow - just admit it's a mistake and do away with it.

 

[spurmin]

Put it in the bin - what we gain isn't worth what we lose by having it.

It's inconsistent and way too slow - just admit it's a mistake and do away with it.

I absolutely agree but they have invested too much in it to go back.
To me everything is still subjective, even offsides in some cases.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

I think football rules in general haven't been particularly consistent when it comes to challenges after the ball has left the situation. If Onana had done the same thing before the ball had arrived there is no doubt in my mind that the pen would have been given.

I personally think in football there has to be some increased threshold of a pen once the ball has been hit, e.g. if the striker gets his shot away and a defender trips him after the shot has taken place it shouldn't be treated exactly the same as if the striker makes a dribble and is in control of the ball and the defender trips him.

There was some discussions around this in the World Cup when Messi got a pen against Poland after Szczesny touched his face after the header. In my opinion, it should be a pen for both Onana and Szczesny IF the contact comes before the ball but it should only be a pen for Onana if the challenge comes after the ball. This is in my opinion because Szczesny clearly is challenging for the ball with one hand but Onana comes out uncontrolled and rams the Wolves player.

The refereeing associations might diasgree with the above, but in a time where we are checking replay after replay on VAR we need to have a clearer framework on details like these.

 

[Russ1201]

I can see United getting more favourable decisions this weekend against us they always do.
It's beyond a joke that the smaller teams have to play against 12 men for the bigger teams as the refs are too scared/weak to make decisions against them.

 

[wooderz]

I can see United getting more favourable decisions this weekend against us they always do.
It's beyond a joke that the smaller teams have to play against 12 men for the bigger teams as the refs are too scared/weak to make decisions against them.

I'm actually hoping there's more a leaning toward proving no bias, so we get all the calls! Won't happen, but still, a man can hope