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This Week’s Manager Watch: Ryan Mason

wrd

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Think we as Spurs fans have waited patiently!

I think we did, then we felt owed and we tried to force the issue and now we feel we've been treated unfairly and so now we've been showing our anger.

I've tried to explain this before and I think I spoke too plainly and needed to show I understood the fans frustrations because of course I understand why we feel owed. We're charged a ridiculous amount of tickets, there's been an immense amount of loyalty shown to the club especially by those who renew season tickets year after year and often around the time of season ticket renewal that's when we hear rumblings of positive change and that the club are finally going to take the risks we feel needed only for it to fall flat come the end of September.

I think also that we've also suffered a great deal of humiliation in the past, we've been mocked and particularly mocked for daring to believe that our club is on the verge of great things and it's absolutely horrible when those who've been mocking you who you desperately want to prove wrong get to gloat at our falling short. It's no wonder we as fans have become self deprecating and it's no wonder that we as fans feel angry towards the club because we feel it's their inaction that's put us in the firing line.

So I hope I've shown that I genuinely do understand how the fans feel but I truly believe that for each of our individual sake's and for the club's sake, we as fan's need to understand that having expectations, that putting our trust in the club, that continuing to participate by buying tickets is our choice. I know it doesn't feel that way, I know that makes people feel uncomfortable because so much of our identity is attached to this club and it feels like there is no choice but we have to step away from feelings for a moment and look at things more cognitively and we can see that without a shadow of a doubt, all of these things are our choice.

I don't think there's any nefarious desire but whether the club knows it or not, they profit from our feelings of guilt at the idea of not showing up to support the club and not watching, not buying tickets. I think that sometimes we have to take an action that in the short term seems like a betrayal but for the greater good. We have to be willing to not got to games if it's the only way the club will change. If people don't want to make that decision then they need to be aware that is their choice and that once they've been given a seat and a football game, they are owed nothing more, accept it for what it is and shift expectation to hope. I really wish individuals would trust me that doing so will be healthier for you and healthier for the club and improve the relationship with the club and increase how much power you have in relation to the club.

Beyond the tickets, we need to realise that we are owed nothing by this club whatsoever, let's not forget what a football team was meant to be, it was about giving some working class lads a way to make money by having a sport that people bought tickets for and in return you cheered them on and you got a game of football. You supported your team and beyond them kicking the ball about in front of you, you expected nothing in return. If we can move away from expectation and turn it into hope then we won't have those feelings of unfairness, we will be less angrier, our relationship with the club will be healthier and we as fans will be worth listening to. If we keep going the trajectory we are in anger, this club will become a drain on our lives when it's meant to be the part of life that helps you navigate the difficulties of it.
 
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muel

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Shit performance and result. My opinion on Mason hasn’t really changed from it though.

The problems of this season were always far too deep rooted with 6 games to go. He can’t perform miracles.

Having said that I expected more fight from the players
 

parj

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Personally I like everyone's enthusiasm for Mason, he ticks a ton of the right boxes, he'd sort our culture out to match what Spurs is all about, the players like him, he's shown already that he's good tactically.

Sure getting the job full time would be a different pressure and expectation than his two interim Manager roles but as I've said before if we can't get Naglesman, Slot and a few other top targets then I think Mason should absolutely start to come into the reckoning.

That being said I think right now after the last 3 years the club needs a proper reset and fresh start and Mason wouldn't really represent that as he's been part of the coaching set-up over the last 3 years. The players, fans, club etc could do with a fresh new voice but the right one.
Kane has been a mouthpiece for all those managers so maybe he needs to go to?

I think it's silly to say he isn't a fresh voice. Of course he is, he is talking about Spurs as if he is a part of it. We need someone to unite the club like Poch did and right now I don't think there is anyone unless you take the risk.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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If Mason can win the next two games, his overall win percentage would go to 53.8%. (7-1-5)

That would put him just behind Conte, but ahead of Mourinho...
 

fishhhandaricecake

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That’s not our fan base exclusively mate. That’s football fans generally.
Scum fans wanted Arteta out. Chelsea fans were singing for Tuchel and that Russian nonce after about 3 games of Potterball and Boehly.

It’s the society we live in nowadays, people don’t want to wait for anything. Instant gratification is available in so many aspects of life that people expect it in every aspect of life.
This is very true mate although our fanbase has been pretty patient and forgiving over the years after yes some good times but also a lot of not good and not nice times so patience is running particularly thin with out fans.

I think this is also though why style of play is so so important nowadays more than ever fans just won't put up with 'boring' and losing and why should they to be fair the prices these days are 1000x what they used to be 30,40,50 yrs ago.
 

Japhet

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Do you think that's how it is and it's redundant to try anything to change that or do you think with some effort we can try on this forum to challenge that instant gratification and hope from our little corner of the world we can have an impact which might seep out to the bigger spurs landscape.

There are so many people around now who derive most of their pleasure from moaning and whinging and throwing vitriol about, mostly for what they perceive to be their audience on social media. It's become a way of life for them and they won't give that up without a fight. I'd even hazard a guess that some are salivating at the thought of Levy appointing Ryan Mason and the first poor performance thereafter so they can get stuck right in again.
 

StockSpur

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Masons continued presence in the set up only serves as a cheap safety net.

Its the elephant in the room…
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Masons continued presence in the set up only serves as a cheap safety net.

Its the elephant in the room…
Yes and no. There is an argument that he would keep us on track in terms of making sure the clubs culture and DNA etc are restored if that is what he, Levy and Kane have discussed.

However a completely clean start with the new manager and Mason moving on to get different experience could be good.
 

Stamford

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Yes and no. There is an argument that he would keep us on track in terms of making sure the clubs culture and DNA etc are restored if that is what he, Levy and Kane have discussed.

However a completely clean start with the new manager and Mason moving on to get different experience could be good.

He's said he wants the job. For that reason alone we should either appointment him or he should leave. He cant stay on
 

Metalhead

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Yes and no. There is an argument that he would keep us on track in terms of making sure the clubs culture and DNA etc are restored if that is what he, Levy and Kane have discussed.

However a completely clean start with the new manager and Mason moving on to get different experience could be good.
I think that him moving on for a time would do him good.
 

Huddlebone

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I would give Mason the chance next year. Give the group some stability, right now the problems are not manager related its board and Squad players.
 

yojambo

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Whatever happens he has given the next manager a massive head start in trying to bring more positive football to the team.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Not going to point the finger at Mason for anything. Young guy doing the best he can in a difficult scenario and learning on the job when it comes to operating at this level. Last few weeks he has come up against Ten Hag, Klopp, Emery etc

Right now just don't feel it's best for him nor the club if he got the job. Things could get pretty ugly next season if things turned pear shaped.
He's not getting the job - no fear of that happening.
 

philll

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Let this be the final nail in the coffin of any talk of Mason getting the job. I honestly don't even want him to be part of the next manager's staff - he needs to go elsewhere and prove himself.
 
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