Tottenham Vs Blackpool: Match Thread

[stormfly]

pretty sure chelsea didn't win for 3 months during the year and we are not a title challenging club yet i think people are expecting too much

Yes, but we saw Chelsea respond and start winning again! I can't see where the next win is going to come from.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Today was the first time I really thought Redknapp can't be arsed anymore. The last 10 mins he just sat there and couldn't give a s***. If he really wants to be England manager he should pull his finger out! 9 points from 9 games is shocking. Some players need to look at themselves too.

Yet still yesterday he was saying that we're in good form. It's like he's in denial, and he expects us to be grateful for being 5th as when he came we had 2 pts blah blah blah and he got us to the CL.

 

[spur_souljah]

pretty sure chelsea didn't win for 3 months during the year and we are not a title challenging club yet i think people are expecting too much

Thats not entirely true yes they had a rough patch but not over the course of 3 months.. Besides they knew their weakness and spent to improve.. unlike us we knew our weakness but didn't bother doing anything about it..

 

[stormfly]

Yet still yesterday he was saying that we're in good form. It's like he's in denial, and he expects us to be grateful for being 5th as when he came we had 2 pts blah blah blah and he got us to the CL.

Maybe he just isn't hungry anymore? He sees all the other teams with billions of pounds and has just given up, also doesn't he travel from the south west all the time? maybe he has lost his hunger or maybe Man City have already tapped him up for next year!

 

[3Dnata]

I wonder if Harry's "you can't blame the ref's the've got a difficult job" attitude is costing us more decisions and injuries.
By injuries I mean if SAF was going on about his players not being protected he'd get more decisions.

 

[riggi]

Well, I think he is.
He is arrogant, with his comments, and has 'bigged' himself up so much he feels he's superior to our club and seems to think we owe him.

Anyway, my approval etc isn't the issue, the problem is Redknapp and he needs to GO

Gotta admit, this is a gripe of mine with harry but im not calling for his head.

 

[wills]

my glass was half full, it has just become half empty! today was just disgraceful.

 

[arnoldlayne]

I wonder if Harry's "you can't blame the ref's the've got a difficult job" attitude is costing us more decisions and injuries.
By injuries I mean if SAF was going on about his players not being protected he'd get more decisions.

Spurs have always bottled it wrt refereeing decisions.

 

[Maske2g]

I'm not being funny, but have you seen the picture of Adam's assault on Bale's ankle. It is clear that he made no attempt to play the ball, and you can tell from the angle of his leg that it is a stamp.

It is pretty major that we lost one of our main attacking outlets to a tackle like that, whereas their best player by a country mile wasn't even booked, let alone given the red card he deserves.

I have to say from my angle 1st row of WEst upper, right next to it, I didn't see it, but why do we need to rely on ref decisions to beat such shit? And why do we have no plan for these circumstances?

Lets whack Crouchie on. GO LONG!!!

 

[Maske2g]

I am not making excuses but we have been on the rough end of decisions lately. If you take those bad decisions away it is probable that we would have collected more points and everybody would be a lot more cheerful. Matches at this level are won by fine margins and when the opposition get the edge from the refereeing decisions then you are fighting an uphill battle.

It does not help that we are out of form. Basically, we have a team that is capable of grinding out results and winning even when the decisions go against us. But when our team is out of form and the decisions go against us then the team struggles to get the results, which is what has just happened.

I should not blame only the refereeing decisions but likewise you should not blame only the team/manager when it is not just them. It is both in tandem, at least, for the last 2 games anyway.

Chelsea was harsh, it was a fairly level game, where we scored a great goal, and they ponced two.

Today we got what we deserved, a point. They created 5-6 clear chances themselves. The russians' free header, two pens, CAmpbell's two misses, Gomes good save from Adam.....

Difference is, last week was away to a team of Champions, today we were home, playing the worst team in the division, who are still getting by off the buzz they had in their first 3 months in the Prem.

 

[StartingPrice]

I have to say from my angle 1st row of WEst upper, right next to it, I didn't see it, but why do we need to rely on ref decisions to beat such shit? And why do we have no plan for these circumstances?

Lets whack Crouchie on. GO LONG!!!

In all fairness, you are mixing two points.

1) I have said time and again, and, I believe, in this thread, that we have failed to qualify for the CL because we cosnsitently couldn't beat relegation threatened teams.

2) Treatment from referees is a totally different point. The fact that, in the final analysis, we have failed to qualify for the CL because we have consistenly failed to beat relegation threatened teams does not excuse the fact that we have consistently been on the wrong side of some plain bizarre reffing decisions, or that our most skillful players (particularly Modders/Bale) have been on the wrong end of rogh-housing tackling that is treated leniently but sometimes looks premeditated.

I don't know why you have confused the two points.
Point 1 does not alter the fact that the Adams tackle on Bale is absolutely horrific, nor that it looks deliberate.

 

[Maske2g]

In all fairness, you are mixing two points.

1) I have said time and again, and, I believe, in this thread, that we have failed to qualify for the CL because we cosnsitently couldn't beat relegation threatened teams.

2) Treatment from referees is a totally different point. The fact that, in the final analysis, we have failed to qualify for the CL because we have consistenly failed to beat relegation threatened teams does not excuse the fact that we have consistently been on the wrong side of some plain bizarre reffing decisions, or that our most skillful players (particularly Modders/Bale) have been on the wrong end of rogh-housing tackling that is treated leniently but sometimes looks premeditated.

I don't know why you have confused the two points.
Point 1 does not alter the fact that the Adams tackle on Bale is absolutely horrific, nor that it looks deliberate.

Without knowing in this case if he meant it or not, players who the that quick and tricky on the ball are always going to kop more than their fair share. Messi is fouled more than anyone, doesn't stop him from thumping relegation candidates!!!

The overall point I made was, with or without these poor decisions, we simply haven't been good enough in MOSt of these games against the bottom sides. Rather than looking at the ref, we need to look at ourselves. We should have plans in place for all scenarios, like Bale's injury, and we should give them a boot back rather than argue and sulk.

At least we're top of the fair play league....

 

[StartingPrice]

Without knowing in this case if he meant it or not, players who the that quick and tricky on the ball are always going to kop more than their fair share. Messi is fouled more than anyone, doesn't stop him from thumping relegation candidates!!!

The overall point I made was, with or without these poor decisions, we simply haven't been good enough in MOSt of these games against the bottom sides. Rather than looking at the ref, we need to look at ourselves. We should have plans in place for all scenarios, like Bale's injury, and we should give them a boot back rather than argue and sulk.

At least we're top of the fair play league....

Yeah...but that doesn't alter the fact that the Adams 'stamp' doesn't look mistimed, it looks deliberate. Here it is:

And I repeat, I have stated previously that we will fail to qualify for CL because we have consistently failed to beat relegation candidates. I draw your attention to the fact that I had said this previously, and that I had said it in this thread, and then restated it...sio why are you going back to it again as though I am arguing the point with you? And why do you think that, should prevent us from being disgusted about this^^^^?

 

[Maske2g]

Yeah...but that doesn't alter the fact that the Adams 'stamp' doesn't look mistimed, it looks deliberate. Here it is:

And I repeat, I have stated previously that we will fail to qualify for CL because we have consistently failed to beat relegation candidates. I draw your attention to the fact that I had said this previously, and that I had said it in this thread, and then restated it...sio why are you going back to it again as though I am arguing the point with you? And why do you think that, should prevent us from being disgusted about this^^^^?

No, sorry, I am entirely agreeing with you.

It's the many others who cant see that we did not deserve to win this game that I can't make out.

Yep it's nasty alright, slow mo is always bad, but this does look like he wanted to do him.

 

[StartingPrice]

No, sorry, I am entirely agreeing with you.

It's the many others who cant see that we did not deserve to win this game that I can't make out.

Yep it's nasty alright, slow mo is always bad, but this does look like he wanted to do him.

:up:

As I said on the Bale thread, if I try to be at my most objective and give him the benefit of the doubt, I could try to make the excuse that he wasn't actually trying to play the ball, just body-check him, but you see him looking down and then stamping long after the ball has gone. I just can't excuse it.

 

[nightgoat]

Yesterday before the game I was looking at the BBC predictor and trying to figure out the permutations of how we could beat them and they'd still stay up, as I was hoping they would... After today's game I hope they go down and stay down, they were an absolute disgrace... Not that they're the first team to come to White Hart Lane this season and try and injure our players, no, even Arsenal and Real Madrid did that...

I really can't see how the referee could stand there ticking off Blackpool players for their continuous bad challenges throughout both halves (which MotD completely ignored) - Rose in particular was on the receiving end of several over the top tackles, only one of which was sufficiently penalised... I've lost count of the number of games I've come home from this season complaining about teams targeting Bale and getting away with it, but today really took the piss... If referees don't penalise deliberately hard and unfair challenges then they set themselves up for a fall when someone gets seriously injured... It absolutely baffles me how Charlie Adam didn't even get booked for that tackle...

Still, when we're looking for people to blame for our season rather whimpering out, we first of all need to look at ourselves for continuously failing to beat the likes of Blackpool, West Ham, Wigan and West Brom at home... We may have only lost one home game all season (and only Man Utd have a better statistic in that regard) but we've no drawn more home games than we've won, which isn't good enough...

On the other hand, that's now two games in a row where we've been royally shafted by totally incompetent officials, and today was one of the worst performances from a referee I've ever seen, he just didn't have any sort of control on the game... I lost count of the number of times I saw him just tell Blackpool players to calm down after bad tackles, yet somehow we came out with more bookings than they did...

 

[Jaydog]

my issue is again harry picked the wrong team.

3 games or so to go and he still doesnt know his best team or system. :bang:

When has pav & defoe ever worked?
Your best team does not mean fitting in who you consider your best players, harry is already acting like an england manager!

You have to try and find a system that suits your most influential players.

For this reason for me Crouch has to start with VDV behind. VDV is smart and all he wants is to get on the ball, he recognises when Crouch plays we are more likely to play more direct. He is very good at winning the second ball off Crouch whether its a defenders clearance or Crouch's flick on. Also he plays further up the field in a central area it also means Modric has more room in the middle to dictate without VDV trying to get involved too much.

Crouch is not our best striker but him playing makes us a more effective team IMO.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Jesus Christ that Adams tackle is fucking appalling .

I didn't see it during the match .. so not surprised the ref didn't
(there was a lot going on at that second)

Is there nothing we can do retrospectively ?

 

[antiloqus]

Jesus Christ that Adams tackle is fucking appalling .

I didn't see it during the match .. so not surprised the ref didn't
(there was a lot going on at that second)

Is there nothing we can do retrospectively ?

I think it depends on whether the ref admits to have seen it in his match report. if he missed it entirely (which surely is the only explanation) then he can get a suspension, but if he says he saw it but took no action, then I don't think anything can be done.

 

[buksida]

my issue is again harry picked the wrong team.

3 games or so to go and he still doesnt know his best team or system. :bang:

When has pav & defoe ever worked?
Your best team does not mean fitting in who you consider your best players, harry is already acting like an england manager!

You have to try and find a system that suits your most influential players.

For this reason for me Crouch has to start with VDV behind. VDV is smart and all he wants is to get on the ball, he recognises when Crouch plays we are more likely to play more direct. He is very good at winning the second ball off Crouch whether its a defenders clearance or Crouch's flick on. Also he plays further up the field in a central area it also means Modric has more room in the middle to dictate without VDV trying to get involved too much.

Crouch is not our best striker but him playing makes us a more effective team IMO.

:hump: