Was the appointment of Ryan Mason racist?

[Nebby]

Chris Powell looked pretty happy yesterday; laughing and joking with Mason after the final whistle.

 

[karennina]

'structural' racism = no we can't provide evidence of specific incidents of racism happening, but we're claiming it anyway

 

[dontcallme]

'structural' racism = no we can't provide evidence of specific incidents of racism happening, but we're claiming it anyway

Nope.

There have been numerous examples showing people with the same qualifications and experience applying for jobs and the people with "British" sounding names getting interviews ahead of others.

This is just one example of many in "structural" or "institutional" racism.

To many this is clearly evident but accept that proving an individual case as racist is very difficult. Highlighting a case as flimsy as Mason getting the job with such little evidence of racism isn't remotely helpful to anyone.

 

[danielneeds]

'structural' racism = no we can't provide evidence of specific incidents of racism happening, but we're claiming it anyway

There are tonnes of specific incidents of racism in English football, unless you’re blind and don’t want to see them.

 

[Bobbins]

Windy exiting Twitter as of yesterday.

 

[rio bryan]

There are tonnes of specific incidents of racism in English football, unless you’re blind and don’t want to see them.

Tonnes but you don't mention any !

 

[andg]

Racism this and racism that... I'm so tired of this.

 

[worcestersauce]

My understanding is that Ryan was made interim coach and not Chris Powel due to their respective positions at the club. Mason was effectively reserve team coach so it's the natural in fact obvious decision. In times gone by it'd have been the assistant coach, Chris Hughton for example.
Also fair to say Ryan joined our coaching staff three years ago and Chris only came in this season, had their positions been reversed and Ryan got the gig it might have been different but it's a nonsense allegation.

 

[andg]

My understanding is that Ryan was made interim coach and not Chris Powel due to their respective positions at the club. Mason was effectively reserve team coach so it's the natural in fact obvious decision. In times gone by it'd have been the assistant coach, Chris Hughton for example.
Also fair to say Ryan joined our coaching staff three years ago and Chris only came in this season, had their positions been reversed and Ryan got the gig it might have been different but it's a nonsense allegation.

Plus, our homeboy Ryan leading us to win a cl spot could've been the biggest cinderella story in recent time. Shame it didn't turn out great but I still think he did a pretty decent job given our current state.

 

[Tim Spur Would]

If Chris Powell had a British sounding name he would have been interim manager. Damn you, structural racism!

 

[thfc1989]

Windy and Nathan Clarke are both unbearable.

 

[philll]

Windy exiting Twitter as of yesterday.

It won't last, he loves the sound of his own voice too much.

 

[spursfan77]

Windy and Nathan Clarke are both unbearable.

If everyone ignores them they’ll go away. Same as this thread hopefully.

 

[cozzo]

No I don’t believe so because if Ledley had all his coaching badges then he would have probably got it. Although I do think Powell should have got/taken it. Could have got himself another managerial job if he managed to get us in the champions league or even Europa.

 

[Stamford]

Windy exiting Twitter as of yesterday.

shame to lose someone who discovered and cured racism

 

[dontcallme]

Racism this and racism that... I'm so tired of this.

Watch the recent interview with Ian Wright. He seems like a really good guy but the abuse he gets purely for the colour of his skin is beyond disgusting.

If the biggest problem with racism people like myself have is the subject comes up more often than I'd like then I'm doing pretty fucking well.

 

[Sputic]

Ok I'll bite.
Isn't 'the gammons' being racist?

Nope. Describes a mindset, not a race. Dickens used it in the novel 'Nicholas Nickelby' in exactly the same way as it's used now, was that racist?

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Nope. Describes a mindset, not a race. Dickens used it in the novel 'Nicholas Nickelby' in exactly the same way as it's used now, was that racist?

It specifically describes a skin colour and it is intended as a slur. These are indisputable facts.

I disagree that Dickens used it in exactly the same way as it is used now. Not least because England is a very different place now. It is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world but, in Dickens’ time, it was overwhelmingly white. Therefore, the notion that “gammon” could have been construed as having racial overtones would have been absurd back then. Not so now. The fact that we are even having this discussion confirms as much.

There are all manner of words and expressions that were acceptable in the past - or even that had a subtly different meaning in the past - that are no longer considered acceptable. Among them are myriad words and phrases related to skin colour. Why should “gammon” not be included just because it refers to white people?

 

[Shadydan]

Racism this and racism that... I'm so tired of this.

What made you think that this comment would be a good idea to post in any way?

 

[Flobadob]

Catching up on various Podcasts and discovered Chris Miller (aka WinydCoys) using the forums of The Extra Inch and Fighting Cock podcasts to push the accusation that Ryan Mason being appointed Interim Head Coach over the more qualified and experienced Chris Powell was an act of "structural racism".

I'm not sure I agree with this assessment. It seems to me that the appointment of Mason was far more likely to be motivated by the fact Mason is a "one of our own" feel good story allowing the fans continuity and, perhaps, a sense of recall to the best of the Pochettino era - helping to smooth the transition from the divisive end of the Mourinho era, while a search for a permanent head coach is carried out.

I also wonder if its not a bit offensive to suggest Chris Powell would take on the assistant Head Coach role if he thought he was being overlooked for the top job because of the colour of his skin.

Maybe my assessment is wrong? But it seems a pretty incendiary accusation to make by a person with a fairly large forum to make it from. Is it a fair one?

What do people think?

Has it occurred to you that Chris Powell may not have wanted the tag of “interim manager” on his CV? I fucking hate stuff like this, it’s complete bullshit when people literally look for things to call racism on SMH