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djhotspur

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They are losing their shit over Arteta, but has he really done a bad job?

Did anyone think at the start of the season that they were even in the conversation for top 4? The fact that he pushed it to the final day is in some way an over achievement, surely. But 5th place is par for them.

None of my many gooner friends thought they’d be anywhere near top 4.

It’s not as if they are easily the 4 best side and Champions League was the minimum requirement and they bolloxed it all up? They are where they should be.

On the other hand, not for a moment did I think we’d get champions league after the summer we had and where we were when Nuno left. That we are almost there, is down to Conte

Is the anger that he is not as good as Conte? Well, only 3 or 4 managers in the world are as good as Conte right now.
Yeah but it’s made 10x worse by the fact they got so close only to mess it up…

it was like pulling the 10/10 girl who’s on the rebound from their toxic former sexy Portuguese ex, who you never thought you’d have a chance with only for her to like you as you are a safe option, you then get overly cocky thinking that is now your league which drives her away into the arms of the sexy passionate 10/10 Italian for you to be left trying to pull 6/10s again.
 

brendanb50

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I think after this many years with him in charge, as a fan, you would expect him to have improved at managing. Sure 5th is on par, but with no Europa and a lot of money spent they rightly expected to be pushing on this season.

The last 2 months have shown that he is not capable of managing the team he has built.

I'd personally say he's got some consistency out of a very mixed side. Appreciate your points and the overall lack of improvement for them is clear but i'd say when you consider the last couple of years of upheaval, plus some very hit and miss business (which he's no doubt had a hand in to be fair), challenging for top 4 for them is actually progress.

Critical summer coming up for not just us, but also them and united. A big chance to step clear of the mess below City/Liverpool and push on.
 

tommyt

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Jul 22, 2005
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Yeah but it’s made 10x worse by the fact they got so close only to mess it up…

it was like pulling the 10/10 girl who’s on the rebound from their toxic former sexy Portuguese ex, who you never thought you’d have a chance with only for her to like you as you are a safe option, you then get overly cocky thinking that is now your league which drives her away into the arms of the sexy passionate 10/10 Italian for you to be left trying to pull 6/10s again.
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Colonel_Klinck

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I couldn't sleep till past 2am I was buzzing so much from that result. Can't remember being that invested in a game not involving Spurs or England in a very long time.
 

Timberwolf

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I'd personally say he's got some consistency out of a very mixed side. Appreciate your points and the overall lack of improvement for them is clear but i'd say when you consider the last couple of years of upheaval, plus some very hit and miss business (which he's no doubt had a hand in to be fair), challenging for top 4 for them is actually progress.

Critical summer coming up for not just us, but also them and united. A big chance to step clear of the mess below City/Liverpool and push on.
Be interesting to see how much Arsenal can invest. Apparently they're the biggest net spenders in Europe's top 5 leagues over the past couple of seasons. Is that kind of expenditure sustainable?

Not expecting them to stop spending but surely they can't keep dropping 100s of millions year after year without recouping anything from sales. They aren't Chelsea or City.
 

freeeki

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
 

Stavrogin

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
They've massively overperformed. On the one hand you'd the say arteta has done a great job.

However, they never really seemed very convincing. They cannot even compete with other top 6 teams (if they bother to turn up), indeed, they were frequently humiliated. They've been rather lucky very often. They've had no distractions. And when got into a good position they contrived to blow it rather pathetically.

So they have over performed... but They've also been rubbish. Just garbage.
 

brendanb50

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
Agreed but i think like most clubs bar city/liverpool, you strip away that quality from your starting 11, we're all lacking a bit of something off the bench.
 

SpartanSpur

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Agree to some extent, but they did get results when needed against Chelsea, Man U and West Ham (helped by huge dollops of luck).

He’s not a top manager, I dont think he can get MORE from their players the way that Klopp and Conte does, but the way they are carrying on, you’d think that that sqhad was comfortably the 4th best in the league and its a travesty that they have missed out.

I'd frame it similarly to how I did with us a week or so ago. Coming 5th this season is a solid outcome, but also a massive missed opportunity.

It's quite impressive in some ways that Arteta has been able to steer this squad to the kind of points total that usually secures CL. That said when you have talented attacking players like they have and a week to prepare for most games you should be able to win most weeks against lesser opposition, which is where the bulk of their points have come from. At the same time the poor squad management is on him. He's been there for over 2 years now and has spent a lot of money. 3 injuries and they are down to the bare bones in multiple areas. They are going to need a lot more depth to cope with european football next season.
 

djhotspur

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
I have disagree on the number, I reckon I would have 11 arsenal players in our squad,

Ramsdale, tomiyasu, white, gabriel, (tierney would start), partey (would start), Saka (would start), martinelli, odegaard, lacazette and ESR. They would all elevate our squad.
 

dudu

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.

That and Leicester, Man U and even West Ham in the second half of the season underperforming, which has also helped us out a lot tbh
 

mabolsa_ritchey

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Oct 23, 2005
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I'm normally up there with the most pessimistic Spurs fans, however I'm not really worried about Sunday because I'm convinced Arsenal won't beat Everton so it's irrelevant what we do. They were well beaten yesterday, so that'll be them completely mentally checked out now.
Obviously I'm saving all the memes for my Goober mates until the final whistle on Sunday, but I'm quite relaxed. This is such a weird feeling!
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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I have disagree on the number, I reckon I would have 11 arsenal players in our squad,

Ramsdale, tomiyasu, white, gabriel, (tierney would start), partey (would start), Saka (would start), martinelli, odegaard, lacazette and ESR. They would all elevate our squad.
Think we need to be aiming higher than a fair few that you've mentioned there.
 

beats1

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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
I agree, they had lacazette, ozil, pepe and aubameyang all on high wages yet finished 5th with a younger team and a total refresh. They get a CM, RB AND ST, they finish 5th again with a european run. that would be improvement
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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I actually think Arsenal have over-performed this season tbh, irrespective of whether they finish 4th or 5th.

Their squad really is not that good. Take the fact they play for Arsenal out of the equation for a second, how many of their players would you realistically want in our squad? For me it's probably 5.
I agree. I think they benefited from no European football as well.
 

G Ron

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Be interesting to see how much Arsenal can invest. Apparently they're the biggest net spenders in Europe's top 5 leagues over the past couple of seasons. Is that kind of expenditure sustainable?

Not expecting them to stop spending but surely they can't keep dropping 100s of millions year after year without recouping anything from sales. They aren't Chelsea or City.
They’re also losing a number of players for free as they’re out of contract (Lacazette, Nketiah, Elneny). Yes they’ll save wages there, but they literally have no strikers and they don’t come cheap.
Missing out on CL (this year of all years) would be far more damaging to them than it would’ve been to us and I would love it if we hold our nerve on Sunday.
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