What the pundits & media are saying about us

[PLTuck]

The context for all of it is how the League table looks at the moment. Ask the same question right after we pumped them 6-1 and you get a totally different perspective and different answers. It can all change with a handful of results so it's all pretty pointless really.

It does feel that football opinion in general is getting shorter and shorter term. Pundits will regularly contradict themselves week to week, as do us fans. Pundits do it to get clicks, fans do it because of emotion mainly I think. It's why I like Ally G. He's always measured and consistent in his views.

 

[worcestersauce]

Based on this season they're all capable of dropping points.

As are we, unless we go on a hell of a run.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Souness peddled out the usual Kane will leave if we don't win anything or finish top 4 this season yesterday too. Then wrote us off for the top 4 as well. He's obviously read a lot of those stories about Kane but never read the one that no team will likely be able to afford him due to the pandemic.

Sourness is slowly turning into the old man in the pub. In my day we would never do that and we always did this.
Ronnie Moran always said etc
I’ve always thought he was a good pundit but he’s on the downward slope. Keane is on for a bit of entertainment as it’s always possible he will start a fight.

 

[Gravy12]

It’s the hell of a run thing I don’t agree with. I’m not for a minute suggesting we are in the driving seat but if we take 26 matches as a marker and say all teams in the chase for top 4 win their games in hand. Everton will be on 46 points in 4th and we will be on 42 points. Murphy was clearly suggesting he felt we were out of it even saying that yesterday’s performance was too little too late. That is simply not the case.

 

[spids]

So if somebody gives their opinion twice it is an agenda?

Not really, unless they use national print and mainstream television in different contexts on the same day.

 

[dontcallme]

Not really, unless they use national print and mainstream television in different contexts on the same day.

"When someone publishes their opinion and then uses other mediums to reinforce that message in different contexts then it becomes an agenda."

Danny Murphy gets paid as a pundit. According to you he gave an opinion on MOTD and repeated the same opinion in a newspaper article. I assume he was paid for both.

You have stated this means he has agenda. That is bollocks.

 

[Japhet]

It’s the hell of a run thing I don’t agree with. I’m not for a minute suggesting we are in the driving seat but if we take 26 matches as a marker and say all teams in the chase for top 4 win their games in hand. Everton will be on 46 points in 4th and we will be on 42 points. Murphy was clearly suggesting he felt we were out of it even saying that yesterday’s performance was too little too late. That is simply not the case.

There isn't a single team in the League that doesn't have a major fuck up tucked up their sleeve, and I include Man City who've done it fairly recently. We do need to go on a run of games, but so does everyone above us to keep the status quo, and I wouldn't put a penny on that.

 

[Shadydan]

As are we, unless we go on a hell of a run.

Exactly my point, everyone is dropping points apart from City.

 

[brendanb50]

The standard of punditry (I hate that word) in this country is so poor. Most are just cliche merchants who peddle the same lazy narratives they’ve heard over and over. Some, like Rio Ferdinand for example, still think its 2000 and Man U just have to click their fingers and players will drop everything and run to Old Trafford, even though Old Trafford is in Manchester, which is the toilet of England.

Garry Neville and Jamie Carragher offer some good analysis but their Man U and Liverpool bias is so brazen it grates. I actually have watch with the sound on mute because I don’t give two shits about either of those two clubs and don’t want to listen to their fan TV stations, which is what it often sounds like.

The best analysis in my opinion is by those who positively reject the cliche click bait simpleton analysis - Simon Jordan is very good, and I do like Gab Marcott‘S podcast too.

Your last point is very relevant, there are a LOT of cliches within football analysis, a number of them can be applied to such a varied range of things they can be used constantly and a number of them are often deployed as part of perception. I don't watch a great deal of punditry at all these days around the game for these reasons, it's objectively meaningless and rarely offers insight into the game which we as fans could learn from.

Keane's 'rant' for want of a better term has a kernal (or couple of kernals) of truth to it - Are we as strong a squad as we need to be/could be? No is my answer. Was that performance a guarantee of great results from here onwards? No it wasn't.

Did he offer much in terms of actual analysis as to why he felt those points were worth saying, no he didn't. Did he let his rant get in the way of any real objective analysis of the game, for me, yes he did.

Keane is good for a bit of bitterness and a bit of cynicism, his grumpiness generates clicks and conversations like this on social media. Beyond this, he offers very little bar the occasional insight into elite level mentality, which as a player he had in spades and he played in a squad and under a manager who generally embodied that mentality.

I basically heard his rant as him rolling out the 'lads it's Tottenham' piece essentially and then when challenged on points regarding the objective quality of the players, he couldn't really give a critical view, just an opinion with a similar bias.

Now having watched some utter shit from us this season, I do agree with a couple of the more objective criticisms of us as a team out there - there is a good range of options to choose from, so listening to someone shout out all the same rubbish I've heard for decades before, with nothing genuinely analytical from the options available, shows what a poor pundit he is.

BTW for Souness, you can pretty much copy and paste the above.

 

[mr ashley]

I think people give far too much weight to this "Keane is a spurs fan" idea personally. It's presumably he just used to say he was a fan when he was a little kid it's not like he'd be in the front row of the new park lane if only it wasn't for this lockdown. I doubt he considers himself a spurs fan at all nowadays

I can’t picture any part of Roy keanes soul ever putting up with spurs.
we’re literally the last team he’s support with his approach to winning
He’d have self combusted years ago.

 

[brendanb50]

I can’t picture any part of Roy keanes soul ever putting up with spurs.
we’re literally the last team he’s support with his approach to winning
He’d have self combusted years ago.

Couldn't agree more. You need a lassaiz-faire attitude to life as a Spurs fan. Otherwise, everything would be unbearable.

 

[degoose]

It does feel that football opinion in general is getting shorter and shorter term. Pundits will regularly contradict themselves week to week, as do us fans. Pundits do it to get clicks, fans do it because of emotion mainly I think. It's why I like Ally G. He's always measured and consistent in his views.

This is what gets on my nerves regularly. You'll often get the same pundit saying spurs will be in top 4 for sure, yeah definitely. Then we lose a few and have a slump and they will go, oh yeah i always said no chance of top 4 and the players are awful. If we win 4-5 in a row suddenly it will all be forgotten and they will flip back. Many don't try and think about the full season it's just instant response and clickbait.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This is what gets on my nerves regularly. You'll often get the same pundit saying spurs will be in top 4 for sure, yeah definitely. Then we lose a few and have a slump and they will go, oh yeah i always said no chance of top 4 and the players are awful. If we win 4-5 in a row suddenly it will all be forgotten and they will flip back. Many don't try and think about the full season it's just instant response and clickbait.

Then reading SC's threads must drive you absolutely bonkers

 

[topper]

Couldn't agree more. You need a lassaiz-faire attitude to life as a Spurs fan. Otherwise, everything would be unbearable.

Didn’t we try to buy him a couple of years ago? Wasn’t bothered that we didn’t

 

[degoose]

Then reading SC's threads must drive you absolutely bonkers

you wouldn't believe it

So many just flip between, we are awful to we amazing in the blink of an eye.

 

[double0]

Yes we are lacking in trophies but our league finishes over the last few years suggests we're not average. I really hope jose and the team can win the EL trophy and just shut people up for a bit.

Unfortunately not winning trophies is what people will throw continuously in our direction until we get the answers.

 

[rez9000]

Actually nice to see someone challenge that sour faced pricks constant negativity. I’ve never been Jamie Redknapp’s biggest fan but he’s earned massive brownie points by calling out Keane’s bullshit.

I can't give Redknapp any credit ever. I'm sick to the back teeth with his snideyness. I don't pay that much attention to him, but I don't think I've heard him ever say anything that is unqualifiedly positive about Spurs - there's always a fucking 'but' with him.

At least with Keane you know that if he talks bollocks, it's simple bollocks. With Redknapp it's always sly and it pisses me off. I said it in the match thread, but I hope that little spat shuts him up a little bit. He's one of the few former Spurs players I have absolutely no affection for. To be frank, I think it's just him and Campbell on that list. I like Martin Keown more than him, FFS!

 

[spids]

"When someone publishes their opinion and then uses other mediums to reinforce that message in different contexts then it becomes an agenda."

Danny Murphy gets paid as a pundit. According to you he gave an opinion on MOTD and repeated the same opinion in a newspaper article. I assume he was paid for both.

You have stated this means he has agenda. That is bollocks.

This is such a pointless conversation. I am not saying he repeated the same opinion. I am saying his opinion on MOTD was influenced by the fact he had an article published on the same day (but before the Burnley game). I am not sure why you are so intent drilling into a light hearted, throw way comment I made on a message board. If I give you an Internet police badge will you leave me alone?

 

[dontcallme]

This is such a pointless conversation. I am not saying he repeated the same opinion. I am saying his opinion on MOTD was influenced by the fact he had an article published on the same day (but before the Burnley game). I am not sure why you are so intent drilling into a light hearted, throw way comment I made on a message board. If I give you an Internet police badge will you leave me alone?

No worries mate, let's move on. I just don't like the lazy terms that get thrown away in modern conversations.

People get accused of having an agenda when there is no agenda, they just have an opinion.

People get called hypocrite when there is no hypocrisy being shown.

People get called fanboys for simply posting that they think a player is good.

 

[spurs mental]

No worries mate, let's move on. I just don't like the lazy terms that get thrown away in modern conversations.

People get accused of having an agenda when there is no agenda, they just have an opinion.

People get called hypocrite when there is no hypocrisy being shown.

People get called fanboys for simply posting that they think a player is good.

Your personal agenda to get rid of agendas is hypocritical you fanboy!