Who's your player of the season so far?

[Rocksuperstar]

:lol:

Yeah, I think Woody will be a very big player for us next year.

On the celebrity Poker circuit, his leg in plaster from ankle to hip :lol:

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

:lol:

Reality sucks... :-(

 

[Rocksuperstar]

you watch, we'll spend the next few games covering our eyes whenever someone goes in for a challenge on him then, once we're just starting to think that maybe his injury jinx has passed on, he slips whilst warming up before a game and breaks his leg in 14 places, dislocates his hip and his spine detaches...

 

[Berbati]

I wonder if Keane would have been above berbs if that stupid sending off had been over turned, or if he hadn't missed those three games through it? I suspect he would.

By the way, the Actim index is weighted towards attackers, so may not show the true contribution to the team.

Jeah, and towards defenders as well, otherwise Chimbo wouldn't be ahead of Steed. :up:

Even if it's true that the Actim index is weighted towards attackers, this fact may reflect a simple circumstance: if you do not concede goals you can draw, if you score you can win. There is an asymmetry between defending and attacking and it's reasonable to suppose that the Index reflects it.

I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works. And I suppose no one at that forum knows sufficiently well how the Actim Index works in order to be able to dimiss it with good reasons.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works.

Like fans and their opinions?

 

[Spurs_Q8]

under Martin Jol, Keane without any doubt

under Ramos, first steed, then Jenas/Berba, then Lennon
steed doing good work rate and helped the def. too much, but i would like to see more of him in attacking terms.

 

[sloth]

Jeah, and towards defenders as well, otherwise Chimbo wouldn't be ahead of Steed. :up:

Even if it's true that the Actim index is weighted towards attackers, this fact may reflect a simple circumstance: if you do not concede goals you can draw, if you score you can win. There is an asymmetry between defending and attacking and it's reasonable to suppose that the Index reflects it.

I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works. And I suppose no one at that forum knows sufficiently well how the Actim Index works in order to be able to dimiss it with good reasons.

The inventors of the ACTIM index, created the best rating system they were able to, including all the factors they thought should matter and it came up with some ridiculous results. What did they do? They sat back and scratched their heads and then set about manipulating the factors they looked at and the weight they were given until the machine began producing the results they were looking for. This is a mathematically bankrupt rating system, driven by pre-judged positions.

ACTIM is Top Trumps, but without the honesty.

 

[Lanh]

Leapy for me, but then you knew that already right? :lol:

 

[Berbati]

The inventors of the ACTIM index, created the best rating system they were able to, including all the factors they thought should matter and it came up with some ridiculous results. What did they do? They sat back and scratched their heads and then set about manipulating the factors they looked at and the weight they were given until the machine began producing the results they were looking for. This is a mathematically bankrupt rating system, driven by pre-judged positions.

ACTIM is Top Trumps, but without the honesty.

To be sure, you can make a mathematically non-bankrupt rating system which will show that Steed is the top dog and Berbatov is a "liability". Good luck :lol:

Leaving the joke aside, it should be clear that every rating system is "drived by pre-judged positions". That's not something bad in itself. The question is whether these "pre-judged" positions are good. The truth is that in that case they reflect the opinion of the fans and pundits. If the system shows that Lee is a better player than Ronaldo, then it does not work. So, if the system is good it should show that the likes of Ronaldo, Drogba, Essien, Gerrard etc. are among the best because they in fact are. The system reflects the opinions of the fans but not those of the fans of a given club which is far from being bad. You know, Spurs fans think King is the best defender in the world, Liverpool's fans think the same about Carragher, Everton fans consider Lescott better than King and Carragher etc.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think you conflate different things: the support of a given club which can be really irrational in itself and the opinion about the impact a given player makes. I think most of the fans who say Steed or Keane or Berba etc is Spurs player of the season think that they have reasons to come up with this opinion and some of them find it annoying when they are told their reasons are not good enough. This opinion is not simply a matter of feelings even though feelings play an important role.

No, it's you that is conflating two different things, and you have been from the start. The fact that Berbatov is arguably our best or most influential player does not necessarily make him Player of the Season. Yes, feelings do play an important role, and the general feeling is that so far Berbatov's contribution has been somewhat variable; moreover, there is currently a widespread perception that his commitment to the club is less than wholehearted. That may be unjustified, but it exists, and it's inevitably going to colour opinions. All the logic and all the statistics in the world aren't going to alter that.

You might compare Ginola, who could similarly disappear from a game and then pop up with a moment of pure genius. None of us ever doubted his commitment to Spurs, which is why he remains so fondly remembered. Whilst the suspicion remains that Berbatov is merely drawing a wage, he's not going to be held in the same regard, however good he is.

The ideal, of course is a genius who also plays his nuts off all game long, but you don't get too many Gazzas in a generation.

 

[Berbati]

No, it's you that is conflating two different things, and you have been from the start. The fact that Berbatov is arguably our best or most influential player does not necessarily make him Player of the Season. Yes, feelings do play an important role, and the general feeling is that so far Berbatov's contribution has been somewhat variable; moreover, there is currently a widespread perception that his commitment to the club is less than wholehearted. That may be unjustified, but it exists, and it's inevitably going to colour opinions. All the logic and all the statistics in the world aren't going to alter that.

You might compare Ginola, who could similarly disappear from a game and then pop up with a moment of pure genius. None of us ever doubted his commitment to Spurs, which is why he remains so fondly remembered. Whilst the suspicion remains that Berbatov is merely drawing a wage, he's not going to be held in the same regard, however good he is.

The ideal, of course is a genius who also plays his nuts off all game long, but you don't get too many Gazzas in a generation.

I agree and I would be happy if you show me where I have said something which implies the contrary.

I haven't developed an argument that (1) Berbatov is arguably...(2) Hence, he should be player of the season every season. That's a misunderstanding.

With the rest I agree. I know about the suspition that Berbatov is not fully comitted and pointed it out when I explained why the majority seems to underestimate his contribution to this season.

 

[klinsmann66]

Now, on a serious note, I can assure you that Berbatov is going to sign a new contract as it's his dream to show the fans that he contributes more than Malbranque. Cheers![/quote]


mg: Are you his agent???? If not how can you be so sure???

 

[BoringOldFan]

That the majority think Steed is the player of the season is a fact that should be respected but is not a good reason to believe that he really is.

But what is a fact is that the title of this thread is "Who's your player of the season so far?" and if people think their favourite player is Steed then it is a fact to them.

I like conflates :grin:.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Jeah, and towards defenders as well, otherwise Chimbo wouldn't be ahead of Steed. :up:

Even if it's true that the Actim index is weighted towards attackers, this fact may reflect a simple circumstance: if you do not concede goals you can draw, if you score you can win. There is an asymmetry between defending and attacking and it's reasonable to suppose that the Index reflects it.

I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works. And I suppose no one at that forum knows sufficiently well how the Actim Index works in order to be able to dimiss it with good reasons.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Two funny things in your post: Chimbonda is a defender- hahahahahahahaha two words fella - Ruel Fox. Chimbonda plays like Ruel Fox.

Second funny is:

"I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works. And I suppose no one at that forum knows sufficiently well how the Actim Index works in order to be able to dimiss it with good reasons"

I don't think it's serious to base your opinion on something that you don't know how it works. They only just started including clean sheets and assists in the Actim stats, so it is obviously still a work in progress.

I love how Berbatov plays, but lets face it, he hasn't been as good as he can be.

 

[klinsmann66]

But what is a fact is that the title of this thread is "Who's your player of the season so far?" and if people think their favourite player is Steed then it is a fact to them.

I like conflates :grin:.

Of course you are absoluteky right this thread has been taken off topic.....but I would still love to know how BERBATI knows that Berbatov is going to sign a new contract....BTW for me it is a split decision between Steed /keano COYS

 

[Berbati]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Two funny things in your post: Chimbonda is a defender- hahahahahahahaha two words fella - Ruel Fox. Chimbonda plays like Ruel Fox.

Second funny is:

"I don't think it's serious to dismiss something if you don't know how it works. And I suppose no one at that forum knows sufficiently well how the Actim Index works in order to be able to dimiss it with good reasons"

I don't think it's serious to base your opinion on something that you don't know how it works. They only just started including clean sheets and assists in the Actim stats, so it is obviously still a work in progress.

I love how Berbatov plays, but lets face it, he hasn't been as good as he can be.

Why do you think that I base my opinion on the Actim Index? I never mentioned the Actim Index in the posts in which I argued that Berbatov deserves to be mentioned as a contender for player of the season. I cited the Actim Index to show that my opinion is not a function of my username :lol:, i.e., that (1) there are criteria according to which Berbatov and Keane have had a bigger impact on Spurs season than Steed and (2) these criteria have nothing to do with me and you, i.e. are not laid down by people who are biased toward or against a given player.

 

[Berbati]

But what is a fact is that the title of this thread is "Who's your player of the season so far?" and if people think their favourite player is Steed then it is a fact to them.

I like conflates :grin:.

Yeah, perhaps this is why you conflate :lol:

 

[PLTuck]

damn this berbs "discussion" still going on?

steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed :grin:

 

[Lucky22]

Have to go with Steed as he has been consistent and solved what was a problem position. Keane has to be in with a shout, as does Berba (he offers so much more than just goals) and then JJ.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Why do you think that I base my opinion on the Actim Index? I never mentioned the Actim Index in the posts in which I argued that Berbatov deserves to be mentioned as a contender for player of the season. I cited the Actim Index to show that my opinion is not a function of my username :lol:, i.e., that (1) there are criteria according to which Berbatov and Keane have had a bigger impact on Spurs season than Steed and (2) these criteria have nothing to do with me and you, i.e. are not laid down by people who are biased toward or against a given player.

Bloody hell! You just made a valid point. I feel sick.