Chelsea v Barca 2nd Leg

He is still wearing the same shirt from last year's final :lol:

Mullers said:

He is still wearing the same shirt from last year's final :lol:

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I remember that joke!

Coyboy said:

That isn't the issue though because there was no glorious football. Where's the glory? If Barca had beaten Chelsea by clear goals and played as they can and have played in Spain, then most especially non-Chelsea fans here and most with their heads screwed on would hold their hands up. But that isn't what happened. Barca tried to play as they have done but were stifled until a ball broke to Iniesta and he scored a wondeful goal.

True in the first leg, they played similarly but created chances. However, other than Bojan's miss, most were saved or stopped by Chelsea. Isn't that good football? I like watching good defending as I do attacking. The term 'good football', I use it I admit, has become a term to represent passing, attacking football. But why not admire Chelsea's style to? Or at least accept that others do and live and let live- I know you did and are just dropping off a one liner here!

There is a lot of mania on this thread and lots of people are summing up simplistically; Barca best team=deserved to win. Ref shit=Chelea robbed. Drogba=twat. Chelsea missed chances=deserved to lose (curious argument that could be labelled for Barca in the first leg). It is a combination of all those things, but I don't see why so many Barca fans here, as is their wont, are getting so defensive in their victory and lacking the mere humility to suggest that they got a bit lucky and weren't at their best.

Instead they win by hook or by crook and it is all 'aren't we wonderful'. That is exactly, in part, why they are not liked in Spain- the arrogant, self-congratulating holier than thou attitude which makes them sore winners and sore losers. A lot of teams aren't much better, and you seldom see a Freddie-Brett Lee moment in football, but Barca are the epitome of it sometimes.

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This reverberates back round to some of our previous discussions. In my first post in this thread I credited Chelsea with defending superbly. But that doesn't change the fact some of us prefer to watch teams pass the ball, flow with intelligent interaction and demonstrate collective bravery (of the sporting kind) in taking the risk of leaving yourself a little exposed at times to create and keep creating something pleasurable that makes the viewer smile. I can appreciate Chelsea's defending, but I appreciate Barca's unequivical ethos of playing intelligent attacking, passing, moving football.

For some of us there can be glory just in watching a team retain possession for several passes.

Coyboy said:

Another unprovoked jibe at England, fantastic. I don't know how someone with such a complex over anything British can support an English team.

The UEFA Cup this year has two German teams and two Ukranian. That doesn't prove much other than those four teams have done well. I don't think that what happens one year in a cup is a clear benchmark but what happens year after a year in the CL is a better indicator. That aside may only prove the top four are the strongest but maybe they are the strongest because they are tested week in weeek out in England and have to raise their game. This year especially, there have been few easy games and maybe the chemistry and balance of defensive solidity and attacking flair has stood English teams in good stead.

The European competitions are the only ways of comparing teams in games but if you look as to the reason why English teams dominate the Champions League, other than European heavyweights like Barca and Juve etc, you have to ask why? Surely suggesting that this league is the most competitive and has the highest quality is not the most absurd thing to say in the world. But then you have this complex about England and English managers, even ones of your own team allegedly, that you have to deal with.

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Considering the English league is massively the richest in world football, I would say the teams start with a huge advantage. Yet still I watch teams like ROma (let alone Inter) give ManU a good game, Porto, Villa Real Arsenal etc etc, and a team who ManCity cherry picked a player from stuff them.

You said you thought ManU were a better overall team than Barca, and used Liverpool stuffing of Real Madrid as an example of English dominance. BUt that same week Liverpool stuffed ManU in simialr fashion. The first leg Madrid completely outplayed Liverpool yet lost 1-0.

Football is unpredictable. The richest team doesn't always win. The best team doesn't always win. But sure as shit I don't often see English teams dominate europeam teams from Italy, Spain or Germany (or even France) the way that some think that they should or do.

What did I miss :razz:

Money can buy a lot of things, but apparently not class.

So nice to see chelsea get the wrong end of some decisions, go out, lose the plot, pretty much bring the game into disrepute with the way they behave and suggest conspiracy etc, followed up by death threats made by their fans.

Been a good week really.

Bus-Conductor said:

This reverberates back round to some of our previous discussions. In my first post in this thread I credited Chelsea with defending superbly. But that doesn't change the fact some of us prefer to watch teams pass the ball, flow with intelligent interaction and demonstrate collective bravery (of the sporting kind) in taking the risk of leaving yourself a little exposed at times to create and keep creating something pleasurable that makes the viewer smile. I can appreciate Chelsea's defending, but I appreciate Barca's unequivical ethos of playing intelligent attacking, passing, moving football.

For some of us there can be glory just in watching a team retain possession for several passes.



Considering the English league is massively the richest in world football, I would say the teams start with a huge advantage. Yet still I watch teams like ROma (let alone Inter) give ManU a good game, Porto, Villa Real Arsenal etc etc, and a team who ManCity cherry picked a player from stuff them.

You said you thought ManU were a better overall team than Barca, and used Liverpool stuffing of Real Madrid as an example of English dominance. BUt that same week Liverpool stuffed ManU in simialr fashion. The first leg Madrid completely outplayed Liverpool yet lost 1-0.

Football is unpredictable. The richest team doesn't always win. The best team doesn't always win. But sure as shit I don't often see English teams dominate europeam teams from Italy, Spain or Germany (or even France) the way that some think that they should or do.

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Ok well first off, surely you cannot deny my right to like watching teams play well defensively and to fucking want Chelsea to win and not like Barcelona. I have said many a time, I respect and admire the way they play but don't go in the for the seemingly compulsory gushing love fest of Barca and automatic hatred of Chelsea. I can think for myself just as I assume most here can, but the problem is you get the detritus of humanity on here sometimes. And it shows.

I can appreciate your tastes and I like to see that too, but I also appreciate other aspects of football. And I find it inaccurate to say glory won last night. Yes Barcelona are, this season, an attractive team to watch but they failed to break down Chelsea, got away with at least two clear penalties and went through. Chelsea don't have the players for that but played to their strengths. I don't see a lot cowardly or wrong with that, just horses for courses. They created more chances than Barca mainly because it's a team game. Their keeper is exceptionally brave, their defence too and I know you appreciate Michael 'lucky goal' Essien.

As for the league issue, yes it has monetary backing but I don't think that buys the quality it has. You cannot buy players like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc and just expect to create a brand. What I have said over and over is in England currently we have a stunning and pleasing blend of grit and glory as you would call it and it is effective, it wins games, it draws audiences in even in a credit crunch so maybe that explains why there is so much money in it some extent and why it is watched from Stoke to Shanghai.

As for the games you mention, and the David/Goliath facet to football I agree to some extent, but you have gone slightly overboard. Liverpool were not outplayed by Madrid at the Bernabeu, they played a perfect tactical game and Madrid, unlike Barca, were awful and tootless. They were then destroyed at Anfied.

Villareal didn't have a look in in London. Arsenal, in contrast, played well and got a draw at the Madrigal which is never easy.

I don't agree with your kind of A beat B who lost to C but then C beat A. I know the point you are trying to make but it doesn't hold water for me. Liverpool beating Madrid, heavily and convincingly, was an example of English dominance but was not abnormal or unexpected. The game at Old Trafford was, and was induced by Vidic having a mare. I believe, and you may not, that Liverpool are a far better team than Madrid and evidence supports this. Liverpool would not lose 6-2 at home to Barca, I don't think.

I think United are better than Barca but who knows? European teams play each other seldomly that you can claim without reproach that said game was a conincidence and a result of unpredictability but I don't see the constant progress of English teams, the constanst results they get against European opposition, the type of exciting and professional football they play as anything more than true to reality, given the frequence.

You can say so and so game was close and I never said English teams always thrash their rivals but more often than not they outplay and beat them. Whether Barcelona 'deserved' to get through is up for intepretation. Personally, I think not because they didn't take their chances in Spain, couldn't break down Chelsea in either leg, Chelsea created more in the second leg and were fucked by the ref.

I admire good passing as much as the next guy and said at half time Barca were playing nice football- in front of Chelsea- but when there is little end product I don't see that as enough to justify this holier tha thou attitude. I accept though those that are happy that Barca are through if others can accept that I wanted Chelsea to win because I admire their attributes as others do Barca's.

Some of the callers on Talksport actually suggested that it could of been us doing it (death threats) as a hoax :lol:

nferno said:

u should write ur posts in greeny-brown or blue because all ur posts in this thread are either utter shit or pro-chelsea. You call yourself a spurs supporter and you are defending chelsea? Get the fuck out.

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The fact that you write in text speak indicates your intelligence. All I said was that I admire Chelsea and people get so outraged. I am a Spurs supporter, I follow them up and down the country and have done for fifteen years. I don't see how wanting Chelsea to beat Barcelona encroaches on that.

I have not questioned other pro Barca posters' support of Spurs and they reserve their right to support whomever they choose in a game that doesn't affect Spurs, as do I.

'Get the fuck out'. Grow up.

Yawn....lock again. Kids have returned.

How I am being a kid? I am defending myself against claims I am not a Spurs supporter.

My hatred of Chelsea is bigger than that of Arsenal which probably stems from the bad blood of the 70's & 80's. That's all I have to say on the matter, other than fuck Chelsea and all it's fans and associates.

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look barca played well enough to win although chelsea should of won. You can blame the ref but ultimatly it was chelseas own doing. Barca had more then 70% possetion and 60% terretory....thats unheard of for an away side!!!!! Infact its very good for even a home team!

C0YS said:

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look barca played well enough to win although chelsea should of won. You can blame the ref but ultimatly it was chelseas own doing. Barca had more then 70% possetion and 60% terretory....thats unheard of for an away side!!!!! Infact its very good for even a home team!

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True and true

Just don't get why people still discuss this. Chelski acted like cowards and got caught and it was a lovely ending to an emberrasing game.

I suport england when they play, full of chelsea and Man u players and a gooner now and then... doesnt matter if someone suports an english team in europe, infact its good if they do well, keeps the amount of places to get in europe higher!!

I dont like how chealse play though, they complain if any other team block the back like they did, and they are one hell of a diving and cheating team! glad barca won, but i wouldnmt have cared if they go tto the final

Coyboy said:

That isn't the issue though because there was no glorious football. Where's the glory? If Barca had beaten Chelsea by clear goals and played as they can and have played in Spain, then most especially non-Chelsea fans here and most with their heads screwed on would hold their hands up. But that isn't what happened. Barca tried to play as they have done but were stifled until a ball broke to Iniesta and he scored a wondeful goal.

True in the first leg, they played similarly but created chances. However, other than Bojan's miss, most were saved or stopped by Chelsea. Isn't that good football? I like watching good defending as I do attacking. The term 'good football', I use it I admit, has become a term to represent passing, attacking football. But why not admire Chelsea's style to? Or at least accept that others do and live and let live- I know you did and are just dropping off a one liner here!

There is a lot of mania on this thread and lots of people are summing up simplistically; Barca best team=deserved to win. Ref shit=Chelea robbed. Drogba=twat. Chelsea missed chances=deserved to lose (curious argument that could be labelled for Barca in the first leg). It is a combination of all those things, but I don't see why so many Barca fans here, as is their wont, are getting so defensive in their victory and lacking the mere humility to suggest that they got a bit lucky and weren't at their best.

Instead they win by hook or by crook and it is all 'aren't we wonderful'. That is exactly, in part, why they are not liked in Spain- the arrogant, self-congratulating holier than thou attitude which makes them sore winners and sore losers. A lot of teams aren't much better, and you seldom see a Freddie-Brett Lee moment in football, but Barca are the epitome of it sometimes.

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Not liked? being the 2nd most supported team in the country makes us "not liked"? Did you think before you posted that nonsense?

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The fact that you write in text speak indicates your intelligence. All I said was that I admire Chelsea and people get so outraged. I am a Spurs supporter, I follow them up and down the country and have done for fifteen years. I don't see how wanting Chelsea to beat Barcelona encroaches on that.

I have not questioned other pro Barca posters' support of Spurs and they reserve their right to support whomever they choose in a game that doesn't affect Spurs, as do I.

'Get the fuck out'. Grow up.

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Do not question my intelligence, I am well on my way to attaining my targeted A's in A level chemistry, maths, biology and economics. I am capable of talking formally and proper like this but, I think that text language is quicker and more conventional... I do not necessitate the need to manifest the level of my intelligence to people on the internet using fancy and intricate words; so do not even bring that shit up.

You are not merely conveying that you wanted Chelsea to beat Barcelona, but are arguing the fact that you think Barcelona didn't deserve to go through when they very much did. This is very apparent to everyone else that can actually interpret football matches unlike a certain someone.

If you just wanted Chelsea to win you wouldn't keep replying to people basking in the humour of Chelsea's Champions League demise. It seems that you are a closet blue or a Real supporter because no other person would be wasting their time defending a team, countless times, that they claim to not support.

I am very much 'grown up' and I think you need to heed your own advice and stop replying to posts just because you want to have the last say in defending a boring and useless team that are nothing really but pests.

The better team, Barcelona, won - the shit team, Chelsea, lost. Just get over it man.

On a much lighter note here's a vid that will make you giggle i hope. Sorry if its been posted already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUziCx1mHxQ

nferno said:

Do not question my intelligence, I am well on my way to attaining my targeted A's in A level chemistry, maths, biology and economics.

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A-levels are sooooo much easier than they were in my day :lol:

Anyway, throw the fucking book at Chelsea, ban Drogba for a season, that's what I say

Coyboy said:

Instead they win by hook or by crook and it is all 'aren't we wonderful'. That is exactly, in part, why they are not liked in Spain- the arrogant, self-congratulating holier than thou attitude which makes them sore winners and sore losers. A lot of teams aren't much better, and you seldom see a Freddie-Brett Lee moment in football, but Barca are the epitome of it sometimes.

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Oh dear :doh:

I read that you followed Real Madrid and you have the nerve to say that Barca isn't appreciated in Spain. I guess you went to far this time.....Barca has a proud history if you compare to Real that was helped during all of Francos reign as dictator in Spain so the hate object number one for everyone that likes football in Spain is Real. Please spare us from made up stuff like that in the future.

nferno said:

Do not question my intelligence, I am well on my way to attaining my targeted A's in A level chemistry, maths, biology and economics.

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Don't take it to seriously, he questioned my intelligence yesterday too. So it seems like it's his thing.

dougal said:

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i believe our yankie cousins call this a time-out. Let's step away from the thread, calm down and a little later it can be unlocked again while we are all at peace with ourselves having read the sc rules on member abuse.

And there is no reason to open additional threads. This one will be back soon.

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it's a fucking disgrace!!!

Warik said:

Not liked? being the 2nd most supported team in the country makes us "not liked"? Did you think before you posted that nonsense?

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By non supporters, Barcelona are not liked because of their smugness and their politicisation of football. They are sore winners, see Puyol and Eto'o. And yes I did think, and I also lived in Spain.

nferno said:

Do not question my intelligence, I am well on my way to attaining my targeted A's in A level chemistry, maths, biology and economics. I am capable of talking formally and proper like this but, I think that text language is quicker and more conventional... I do not necessitate the need to manifest the level of my intelligence to people on the internet using fancy and intricate words; so do not even bring that shit up.

You are not merely conveying that you wanted Chelsea to beat Barcelona, but are arguing the fact that you think Barcelona didn't deserve to go through when they very much did. This is very apparent to everyone else that can actually interpret football matches unlike a certain someone.

If you just wanted Chelsea to win you wouldn't keep replying to people basking in the humour of Chelsea's Champions League demise. It seems that you are a closet blue or a Real supporter because no other person would be wasting their time defending a team, countless times, that they claim to not support.

I am very much 'grown up' and I think you need to heed your own advice and stop replying to posts just because you want to have the last say in defending a boring and useless team that are nothing really but pests.

The better team, Barcelona, won - the shit team, Chelsea, lost. Just get over it man.

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Ok good luck but please don't ever quesiton my support of Tottenham again. I do admit to following Madrid in Spain but that is only part of it. I wanted Chelsea to win, like I did Hamburg tonight, they didn't, I won't lose any sleep over it but I won't apologise for it or let some kid tell me to fuck off or that I am not a real supporter. Pathetic.

Michey said:

Oh dear :doh:

I read that you followed Real Madrid and you have the nerve to say that Barca isn't appreciated in Spain. I guess you went to far this time.....Barca has a proud history if you compare to Real that was helped during all of Francos reign as dictator in Spain so the hate object number one for everyone that likes football in Spain is Real. Please spare us from made up stuff like that in the future.


Don't take it to seriously, he questioned my intelligence yesterday too. So it seems like it's his thing.

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Oh what nerve and I know Real Madrid are not too popular and I know the history but that was over thirty years ago and yet Barcelona fans still have this anti-Castillian attitude and separatist angle. Only those who live or lived in Spain get it. It is not liked in the rest of the country. And in my opinion, they lack grace and humility in defeat and victory. If you don't agree fine, but don't attack my right to have that opinion or viewpoint and admire Chelsea for some things. It's pathetic, petty and snide.

I did not say not appreciated, I said unpopular. Where I lived, Barca were far more unpopular than Madrid and I didn't live anywhere near Castile. So don't try and entertain yourself by assuming I have lost it or are just throwing insults around. I know what I am talking about.