Chelsea v Barca 2nd Leg

[Coyboy]

Not liked? being the 2nd most supported team in the country makes us "not liked"? Did you think before you posted that nonsense?

Well they are hardly going to be not liked by their own supporters. The implication was that they were not liked by non-Barcelona supporters.

 

[Michey]

By non supporters, Barcelona are not liked because of their smugness and their politicisation of football. They are sore winners, see Puyol and Eto'o. And yes I did think, and I also lived in Spain.



Ok good luck but please don't ever quesiton my support of Tottenham again. I do admit to following Madrid in Spain but that is only part of it. I wanted Chelsea to win, like I did Hamburg tonight, they didn't, I won't lose any sleep over it but I won't apologise for it or let some kid tell me to fuck off or that I am not a real supporter. Pathetic.



Oh what nerve and I know Real Madrid are not too popular and I know the history but that was over thirty years ago and yet Barcelona fans still have this anti-Castillian attitude and separatist angle. Only those who live or lived in Spain get it. It is not liked in the rest of the country. And in my opinion, they lack grace and humility in defeat and victory. If you don't agree fine, but don't attack my right to have that opinion or viewpoint and admire Chelsea for some things. It's pathetic, petty and snide.

I did not say not appreciated, I said unpopular. Where I lived, Barca were far more unpopular than Madrid and I didn't live anywhere near Castile. So don't try and entertain yourself by assuming I have lost it or are just throwing insults around. I know what I am talking about.

Barca lack grace and humility

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You admire Chelsea


Oh well, what ever floats your boat. I'll never question your admiration for Chelsea again.

 

[lishiyo]

I dunno how anyone could admire Chelsea in comparison to even the others in the top 4, but it doesn't matter to me as long as Spurs are #1 (unless the gooners happen to be your second team, in which case you can gtfo)

 

[barry]

1 shot in 92 mins. Barca played shit. Some are saying they had a crisis in defence but apart from Toure, who was probably their best defender, they pretty much had their first choice back line and they still looked shit. Barca's back line didn't give Chelsea chances, Chelsea forced them to make mistakes. It's all semantics anyway. Chelsea had the more clear cut chances over two legs. At the Nou camp Barca failed to convert their chances but the ref was fair. At the bridge the ref was corrupt in Barca's favour. Barca had 1 shot on target in 92 mins, and didn't even come close to scoring before that. Some of you remind me of Wenger himself. You have the audacity to have a go at chelsea for having the temerity to defend. Barca played possession football with no end product. That is not the beautiful game. That is boring. They are not the best team in Europe, because they can only play one way, and if that doesn't work because they're not playing an inferior Spanish team who just roll over, they look average.

That being said the blue Scum and the Scum are out, and Spurs are still on course to being the first London club to win a Champs league. Overall a good week.

COYS

 

[spursandbarca]

In Spain(and I believe Catalunya is a nation) even if someone supports say Real Sociedad or Villarreal they support either Barca or Madrid as well. The Basques hate Madrid as much as we do. As for us using politics to further Barca. Di Stefano ring a bell, Franco made sure that Barca didnt sign him and that he signed for Madrid as well. There was one Copa del generalismo game that Franco threatened the Barca players with death if they beat Madrid.

To accuse Barca of smugness, snobishness etc is ironic coming from them. So what that people in Catalunya actualy work. The Catalans dont like it that despite being the richest autonomous region in Spain that their tax income is distrbuted to Madrid and Andalucia.

I can go on about it all day but it is very boring.........

the treble is on, the prime minister of spain is a cule. Madrid havent even got to the quarter finals of champions league in 5 years. How things change.

 

[Warik]

By non supporters, Barcelona are not liked because of their smugness and their politicisation of football. They are sore winners, see Puyol and Eto'o. And yes I did think, and I also lived in Spain.

I grew up in Catalunya. Barcelona aren't liked by Madrid fans and like it or lump it football IS political and has been in many countries for a long time.

Real Madrid and Franco MADE Barcelona political. Barcelona became political because Camp Nou was the only place in Spain where the Catalan language was allowed to be spoken when Franco was in charge. Franco opressed the Catalans and Basques to a ridiculous degree, banning their language, banning their food, banning their dances, their feast days, everything.

Franco intervened constantly to give Real Madrid an edge. Many infamous accounts of Barcelona goals being disallowed minutes AFTER they'd been given when a government official called over the referee to 'have a chat'. Only Real Madrid fans now deny what they openly chanted from the terraces back in the 60's and 70's because they are ashamed.

Barcelona's attitude ISN'T hated in the rest of the country. Euskadi, Andalucía, Galicia,Aragón, and the Comunitat Valenciana all have large Barcelona followings. Many more Spaniards are pro-Catalan Independence than the Castillian channels would have us believe. They just won't admit it and instead release hilarious statements such as "All Catalans are Nazi's".

It isn't even just Barça fans that are for independence either...there are Catalan Madrid fans, Asspanyol fans, Atletico Madrid fans and fans of pretty much all teams who are pro-indepencence. My best frind supports Mandril and he is very pro-Catalalunya. In fact FC Barcelona as a club has never made any mention of where they stand in the Catalan independence debate. Fans can think what they want, but then calling all Barça fans pro-Catalan is like calling all Spurs fans Jewish. Barça supporters come from all walks of life and political persuasions and whilst the club encourages and promotes Catalan customs and culture it is short sighted to put the whole nationalist movement on its shoulders, especially when it has never advocated independence and keeps its mouth shut in an official capacity on political issues. When Laporta talks about Catalan independence he isnt talking as an FCB president, but from his own beliefs.

 

[spursandbarca]

lack grace and humility??????? Surely you are not accusing Pep of that????

 

[Warik]

1 shot in 92 mins. Barca played shit. Some are saying they had a crisis in defence but apart from Toure, who was probably their best defender, they pretty much had their first choice back line and they still looked shit. Barca's back line didn't give Chelsea chances, Chelsea forced them to make mistakes. It's all semantics anyway. Chelsea had the more clear cut chances over two legs. At the Nou camp Barca failed to convert their chances but the ref was fair. At the bridge the ref was corrupt in Barca's favour. Barca had 1 shot on target in 92 mins, and didn't even come close to scoring before that. Some of you remind me of Wenger himself. You have the audacity to have a go at chelsea for having the temerity to defend. Barca played possession football with no end product. That is not the beautiful game. That is boring. They are not the best team in Europe, because they can only play one way, and if that doesn't work because they're not playing an inferior Spanish team who just roll over, they look average.

Really, he was so pro Barcelona he sent off one of our players for nothing...

I think it is time you got off your soap box. The refereeing in both legs of the semi final was crap. Barcelona complained after the first leg, pictures of Barça players with stud marks as high as their thighs from Chelsea boots and only 2 bookings for Chelsea...then Henry being pulled back in the penalty area which according to people on here last week wasn't a penalty, yet Drogba wasnt pulled half as much and people say that was. (double standards)

As has been said multiple times, the referee wasn't biased, just shit.

 

[Shanks]

Chelsea have hardly behaved with grace and dignity in losing...

 

[spursandbarca]

I hate Laporta. He is so full of shit with some of the stuff he comes out with. He is only pro catalan because it helps his political career and to increase business for his law firm. His brother in law is a member of the Franco fundacio for crying out loud. The way he treated people like Sandro Rosell,Marc Ingla and Ferran soriano is a disgrace.

He says his dream is to become the first Catalan prime minister of spain. What planet is he on????

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ok well first off, surely you cannot deny my right to like watching teams play well defensively and to fucking want Chelsea to win and not like Barcelona. I have said many a time, I respect and admire the way they play but don't go in the for the seemingly compulsory gushing love fest of Barca and automatic hatred of Chelsea. I can think for myself just as I assume most here can, but the problem is you get the detritus of humanity on here sometimes. And it shows.

I can appreciate your tastes and I like to see that too, but I also appreciate other aspects of football. And I find it inaccurate to say glory won last night. Yes Barcelona are, this season, an attractive team to watch but they failed to break down Chelsea, got away with at least two clear penalties and went through. Chelsea don't have the players for that but played to their strengths. I don't see a lot cowardly or wrong with that, just horses for courses. They created more chances than Barca mainly because it's a team game. Their keeper is exceptionally brave, their defence too and I know you appreciate Michael 'lucky goal' Essien.

As for the league issue, yes it has monetary backing but I don't think that buys the quality it has. You cannot buy players like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc and just expect to create a brand. What I have said over and over is in England currently we have a stunning and pleasing blend of grit and glory as you would call it and it is effective, it wins games, it draws audiences in even in a credit crunch so maybe that explains why there is so much money in it some extent and why it is watched from Stoke to Shanghai.

As for the games you mention, and the David/Goliath facet to football I agree to some extent, but you have gone slightly overboard. Liverpool were not outplayed by Madrid at the Bernabeu, they played a perfect tactical game and Madrid, unlike Barca, were awful and tootless. They were then destroyed at Anfied.

Villareal didn't have a look in in London. Arsenal, in contrast, played well and got a draw at the Madrigal which is never easy.

I don't agree with your kind of A beat B who lost to C but then C beat A. I know the point you are trying to make but it doesn't hold water for me. Liverpool beating Madrid, heavily and convincingly, was an example of English dominance but was not abnormal or unexpected. The game at Old Trafford was, and was induced by Vidic having a mare. I believe, and you may not, that Liverpool are a far better team than Madrid and evidence supports this. Liverpool would not lose 6-2 at home to Barca, I don't think.

I think United are better than Barca but who knows? European teams play each other seldomly that you can claim without reproach that said game was a conincidence and a result of unpredictability but I don't see the constant progress of English teams, the constanst results they get against European opposition, the type of exciting and professional football they play as anything more than true to reality, given the frequence.

You can say so and so game was close and I never said English teams always thrash their rivals but more often than not they outplay and beat them. Whether Barcelona 'deserved' to get through is up for intepretation. Personally, I think not because they didn't take their chances in Spain, couldn't break down Chelsea in either leg, Chelsea created more in the second leg and were fucked by the ref.

I admire good passing as much as the next guy and said at half time Barca were playing nice football- in front of Chelsea- but when there is little end product I don't see that as enough to justify this holier tha thou attitude. I accept though those that are happy that Barca are through if others can accept that I wanted Chelsea to win because I admire their attributes as others do Barca's.

BUt I too commended Chelsea's defensive abilities. Even playing defensively, Barca are an impossible side to limit and stifle. I really couldn't give a shit if you wanted Chelsea to win But take issue with some of what you said and find it churlish at best. The best team didn't win ? If you think the best team didn't win then you prefer to watch defensive organisational football.
You are perfectly entitled to that opinion.

Chelsea weren't fucked over by the ref any more than Barca were. A ball hits the top of a players arm with his back turned from two yards ? Clear cut ? do me a favour. Every single one of those penalties were 50/50 for the rest of us. It's only when you possess histrionic ref pressurisers like Chelsea and ManU that those 50/50's intensify. The sending off was clearly wrong and should have cost Barca far more.

Chelsea lost because despite having a man advantage, and being at home and possessing players like Malouda, Anelka, Essien, Ballack, Lampard, Drogba, Boswinga, Cole not to mention those on the bench like Deco etc, all equally capable of playing fast attacking football they didn't have the courage to kill the game off and despite having a man advantage they still couldn't outplay Barca.

 

[Kendall]

I grew up in Catalunya. Barcelona aren't liked by Madrid fans and like it or lump it football IS political and has been in many countries for a long time.

Real Madrid and Franco MADE Barcelona political. Barcelona became political because Camp Nou was the only place in Spain where the Catalan language was allowed to be spoken when Franco was in charge. Franco opressed the Catalans and Basques to a ridiculous degree, banning their language, banning their food, banning their dances, their feast days, everything.

Franco intervened constantly to give Real Madrid an edge. Many infamous accounts of Barcelona goals being disallowed minutes AFTER they'd been given when a government official called over the referee to 'have a chat'. Only Real Madrid fans now deny what they openly chanted from the terraces back in the 60's and 70's because they are ashamed.

None of this is proven and its all wishy washy heresay. Its never been set in stone that Franco eve had any influence over Madrid's successes.

 

[spursandbarca]

hear say????? Di Stefano has been interviewed many times and told the truth. He had a lot to do with their success.

How about Franco making sure that that instead of FCB Barca had to become Barcelona club futbol??? More bollocks.

He tried so that Kubala wouldn't join Barca as well

 

[Bonjour]

Di Stefano, man. Now there was a player.

 

[Warik]

None of this is proven and its all wishy washy heresay. Its never been set in stone that Franco eve had any influence over Madrid's successes.

Really? Your trying to say Franco banning the Catalan language, arts, culture etc was all hearsay? I'll have to tell my family who lived through it that. "Hey guys! good news! all that oppression, the beatings, the imprisonments for using your language never actually happened! it was all hearsay!"

 

[Bonjour]

Really? Your trying to say Franco banning the Catalan language, arts, culture etc was all hearsay? I'll have to tell my family who lived through it that. "Hey guys! good news! all that oppression, the beatings, the imprisonments for using your language never actually happened! it was all hearsay!"

I'm not sure that's quite what he was saying, dude..

 

[SpurSince57]

None of this is proven and its all wishy washy heresay. Its never been set in stone that Franco eve had any influence over Madrid's successes.

Is it buggery. You need to read up on your post-Spanish Civil War history, and probably your Spanish history full-stop.

 

[spursandbarca]

Kendall I hate to have a go at a Spurs supporter but honestly you have no idea what you are on about. You havent lived there, you dont know any Catalans or Basques that had to deal with Franco.

 

[spursandbarca]

the spanish elections used to go like this. You could vote for franco or no Franco. If you voted no Franco you had the police knocking on your door the next day.

Franco did away with the generalitat. They killed the president of Barcelona and the Catalan president Lluis Companys during the war. Jordi Pujol the future president of catalunya was put in jail for 15 years.

Do you want me to go on????? It would be fantastic to do the treble. Madrid have never done it. I though the Cryuff 4 in a row and the 2006 team were special. I think this team is better.

 

[fortworthspur]

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