Joe Cole

robbiesavagehasbreasts · Nov 22, 2010

crisp1979 said:
Has Joe Cole ever really been that great ? I mean he was always talked up when a kid, went down with West Ham, couldn't hold down a regular place at Chelsea and was only ever ok for England.

Not a terrible player but over hyped - not fit to lace the boots of our VdV !

He was excellent under Mourinho. Mourinho changed him as a player. Cole was a central midfielder/attacking midfielder before Mourinho made him play on the wings in a 4-3-3. He also changed his attitude and general play. I remember when Cole scored the winner against Liverpool and Mourinho reacted by going mental on him 2 minutes later for not tracking back to defend.

He was a very good player befoe he got injured and like mentioned in this thread, the 4-4 draw at Lane he was ripping us apart singlehandedly.

But after returning from the injury he isn't the same. Whether it's mentally or physically I don't know, but doesn't look the same player.

That said, I hope he doesn't go out and have a blinder against us next week. God, that would be typical.

SpurSince57 · Nov 22, 2010

Why on earth would anyone boo him, unless they were some kind of mental defective?

StartingPrice · Nov 22, 2010

Pinto said:
I argued with you for months that Cole was past his best and always injured. While I don't think he would have been horrible for Spurs he would have hampered the progress of a number of our rising stars if you ask me. Bale would have probably been sent back to left back and who knows how this season would have gone if we had done that. Anyway, glad I was right and we didn't sign him, not good enough anymore and not the direction the club should be going.

We also more than likely would not have signed VDV like you said SP and for me this was the whole point of my argument, we could bring in a much better player than Cole and we did. One that could actually score goals and be that vital attacking midfielder/second striker that bangs in the chances that Bale, Modric and company provide for him. Just can't see Cole banging in the goals like VDV has done for us.

But you don,t know any of this.
I think he would have made us a better team, fortunately, VDV has made us a better team and almost definitely a better better team...but we will never know this.
And the chances of us bringing in better player than Joe Cole were minimal. We couldn't bring in VDV as he was way too expensive. It was only at the last minute when Real panicked and offered him cheap that we got him, and that was hardly something that was odds-on even the day before it happened. So, us getting VDV against the odds at the last minute doesn't suddenly mean a free Joe Cole would have been a bad acquisition.

kishman · Nov 27, 2010

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_6530687,00.html

A couple of interesting quotes.

"I'm not sure what happened in the end. Joe eventually rung me up and said 'Look, sorry, but I'm going to Liverpool'.
"Joe could have come here and been fantastic for us. You never know but no, we wouldn't have taken Rafa had we taken Joe. And Rafa has been great for us."

Thank god Joe Cole chose Liverpool!

Meanwhile, Redknapp has revealed how he once duped Daniel Levy, the chairman of the club he now manages, into avoiding the signing of full-back Glen Johnson, now of Liverpool.
Johnson was out of favour at Chelsea before joining Redknapp at Portsmouth,

with Liverpool subsequently paying a reported £18million for the England international's services.
Redknapp revealed: "Daniel rang me up and said, 'What about Glen Johnson, Harry? We're interested in him. Do you think he would be a good signing for Tottenham?'
"I said: 'No, no, he's not for Tottenham. He's not good enough for you, Daniel'.
"And I signed him [on a permanent deal] the next day for Portsmouth.
"Daniel does remind of that quite often. But that's life, that's football," he joked.

Hmmm, why was Levy asking Harry's opinion if he wasn't our manager?:think:

StartingPrice · Nov 28, 2010

kishman said:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_6530687,00.html

A couple of interesting quotes.

Thank god Joe Cole chose Liverpool!

Hmmm, why was Levy asking Harry's opinion if he wasn't our manager?:think:

Dan (Daniel) Levy: 'Arry's a manager and a man we have admired from afar fo a very long time...we are delighted to have

shifty

him". Or something similar.

Maybe he opened lines of communication quite some time ago:shrug: WHich would suggest that, 'Arry being 'Arry, he probably coulda had the job quite some time ago (pre and post Sowt'Ampton - well, y'know, his loyalty ain't wot it used to be:rofl

. The story has probably been given "'Arry-Spin" since then:grin:

3Dnata · Nov 28, 2010

Perhaps Harry was a long term plan and he aimed to help Spurs by destabilizing Pompey and Pool's defences with Johnson.

Dr Know · Nov 28, 2010

SpurSince57 said:
Why on earth would anyone boo him, unless they were some kind of mental defective?

Sorry to have to say it but sometimes there are a few of those at the lane

WhiteHart4Ever · Nov 28, 2010

What should the chant be, though? He's no way near being a shit VDV or Bale - could we all just go for "you're just a shit David Bentley"?

ethanedwards · Nov 28, 2010

crisp1979 said:
Has Joe Cole ever really been that great ? I mean he was always talked up when a kid, went down with West Ham, couldn't hold down a regular place at Chelsea and was only ever ok for England.

Not a terrible player but over hyped - not fit to lace the boots of our VdV !

Agree, he's English can do the headless chicken stepover,= world class.
My Chelsea mates were glad to be rid of him.

Dan Ashcroft · Nov 28, 2010

Cole = Vdv minus vision and end product.

It couldn't have worked out any better - it was like losing out on an Audi A4 but winning a Bugatti Veyron :grin:

"You can stick Joe Cole up your arse
Cause we got Rafa
We got Rafa
We got Rafa Van der Vaart"
:rofl:

DJS · Nov 28, 2010

I'm pretty sure if memory serves me correct that Harry was saying Cole should be deployed in a central role and that is what he would have done for us, not stuck him out of the left.

I suspect he would have tried him in the hole and then when results went a bit iffy pushed him out to the right.

And we wouldn't have signed van der Vaart... Eek

StartingPrice said:
Dan (Daniel) Levy: 'Arry's a manager and a man we have admired from afar fo a very long time...we are delighted to have shifty him". Or something similar.

:lol: :razz:

StartingPrice · Nov 28, 2010

ethanedwards said:
Agree, he's English can do the headless chicken stepover,= world class.
My Chelsea mates were glad to be rid of him.

And yet 'Arry "our manager" Redknapp rates him HUGELY.

:think:...I know whose assessment I would prioritise:roll:

whitelightwhiteheat · Nov 28, 2010

van der vaart, der vaart,
will lead us to Wem-ber-ley!
He's better than Cole for free,
van der vaart, der vaart!

Dan Ashcroft · Nov 28, 2010

http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2010/11/28/we-all-agree-vdv-is-better-than-cole.html

We all agree, vdV is better than Cole Sunday, November 28, 2010 at

10:00AM

Bale out on the left, plays it to Huddlestone, Hudd to Cole, Cole step-over, loses the ball...

One two between BAE and Bale, Bale cuts in, drags ball back, plays it to Cole, Cole skips and dances around with the ball, loses possession...

Cole on the ball, fancy footwork, tricky trick, comes to nothing...

Imagine that.

In another parallel universe what you just read is playing out to a disgruntled White Hart Lane, every other week whilst Rafael van der Vaart is galvanising some other club with his superb work rate and excellent goals to games ratio. It’s a disturbing reality, I know. But shake off the concerns and be content that it’s not you experiencing it. Just another version of you. A depressive mess of a version. The poor bastard. Having to live with the misery of his club signing Joe Cole and not the Dutch maestro with the magical mojo.

Now we might be the ones living in the universe where Arsenal moved from Woolwich to North London (in that other one their bribes fell on deaf ears and they were never handed promotion to the first division post-war, just about survived financial melt-down and are currently third division – West Ham United are considered our main rivals...it’s a pretty f*cked up dimension for sure) but at least we’re not living in the one where Harry knocked back the chance to sign the Real Madrid ‘reject’.

For all of Joe Cole’s vision and touch there was always something dodgy about him for me. Five years back, the exact type of player we would have moved the earth to sign and fans would have been more than happy with it – but times have changed. We need something more than a luxury. Sure, he’s talented and on his day he can spark life into a team, but like most of the Tottenham teams in my generation, he’s inconsistent. Not the type of player who can play badly but still impact the game. Something Rafa can and has done for us.

Cole is a marquee player and in a side where everything clicks, he can get away with it. World class? Not quite. Doubt he ever had any intention of joining us and I do appreciate we got lucky with the vdV signing in that although the player was one we apparently looked at – he obviously wasn’t first choice.

Harry’s magic hug might have rubbed off positively on Cole in Lilywhite, we’ll never know. Not unless you happened to open up a worm hole and slide into that other universe where he stars for us in midfield along with Anton Ferdinand, rock in central defence and Andy Reid out on the left...because we can’t move him off the left he’s so f*cking fat. Doesn’t matter what universe you visit, there is no slim version.

At the time of writing, Rafa is 50/50 for the game against Liverpool and Cole is probably going to start on the bench. I think van der Vaart is still four weeks away from his best form for us. Couple of more pounds to lose, more work on stamina/fitness to be had. He’s doing everything he’s doing on 70%. Salivating at the prospect of him being fully fit in terms of physicality.

Regardless of my discounting of Cole and the fact that I genuinely believe that a full strength Spurs side with a new midfielder and striker (and go on then, a backup for the left-back position) would not be far off from something special – I still think we have one major bugbear to overcome.

Consistency.

We need it in abundance. Discount Cole, but discounting Liverpool would be dangerous. Shadow of the side from a couple of years back, but regardless of their ordinary workman type style, they still have one or two players of genuine quality. You know who. And we need to remember we’ve come unstuck against sides of lesser quality overall who have out worked us to claim the points.

Still, you know if Mark Lawernson isn’t backing his club this week, it’s not quite right at Anfield. I’ll be massively disappointed if we lose. vdV or no vdV I would like a DVD type performance, except with no actual release in the club shop on Monday week, because that would be unbecoming.

City are doing their best to encourage ourselves and Boltonlona. Time to place down that marker. If there has ever been a time to swagger and swashbuckle, this is it.

Hodgson might well set his team out to frustrate us. We have to show belief. I know, it's tiresome the amount of times we refer back to this belief thing, but if the players actually took time out - just for a moment - to grasp the fact they're actually pretty damn good we might see sustained confidence which will breed sustained consistency which would turn into mighty momentum.

Dawson not far off from returning. Lennon rediscovering lost form. Defoe back. Timing is perfect if we can make it count with points leading into the new year.

vdV is also, obviously, important to us. Winning without him in the side equally so.

Show some spirit and intent Tottenham.

Go for the jugular.

COYS, please.

StartingPrice · Nov 28, 2010

Dan Ashcroft said:
http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2010/11/28/we-all-agree-vdv-is-better-than-cole.html

We all agree, vdV is better than Cole Sunday, November 28, 2010 at

10:00AM

Bale out on the left, plays it to Huddlestone, Hudd to Cole, Cole step-over, loses the ball...

One two between BAE and Bale, Bale cuts in, drags ball back, plays it to Cole, Cole skips and dances around with the ball, loses possession...

Cole on the ball, fancy footwork, tricky trick, comes to nothing...

Imagine that.

In another parallel universe what you just read is playing out to a disgruntled White Hart Lane, every other week whilst Rafael van der Vaart is galvanising some other club with his superb work rate and excellent goals to games ratio. It’s a disturbing reality, I know. But shake off the concerns and be content that it’s not you experiencing it. Just another version of you. A depressive mess of a version. The poor bastard. Having to live with the misery of his club signing Joe Cole and not the Dutch maestro with the magical mojo.

Now we might be the ones living in the universe where Arsenal moved from Woolwich to North London (in that other one their bribes fell on deaf ears and they were never handed promotion to the first division post-war, just about survived financial melt-down and are currently third division – West Ham United are considered our main rivals...it’s a pretty f*cked up dimension for sure) but at least we’re not living in the one where Harry knocked back the chance to sign the Real Madrid ‘reject’.

For all of Joe Cole’s vision and touch there was always something dodgy about him for me. Five years back, the exact type of player we would have moved the earth to sign and fans would have been more than happy with it – but times have changed. We need something more than a luxury. Sure, he’s talented and on his day he can spark life into a team, but like most of the Tottenham teams in my generation, he’s inconsistent. Not the type of player who can play badly but still impact the game. Something Rafa can and has done for us.

Cole is a marquee player and in a side where everything clicks, he can get away with it. World class? Not quite. Doubt he ever had any intention of joining us and I do appreciate we got lucky with the vdV signing in that although the player was one we apparently looked at – he obviously wasn’t first choice.

Harry’s magic hug might have rubbed off positively on Cole in Lilywhite, we’ll never know. Not unless you happened to open up a worm hole and slide into that other universe where he stars for us in midfield along with Anton Ferdinand, rock in central defence and Andy Reid out on the left...because we can’t move him off the left he’s so f*cking fat. Doesn’t matter what universe you visit, there is no slim version.

At the time of writing, Rafa is 50/50 for the game against Liverpool and Cole is probably going to start on the bench. I think van der Vaart is still four weeks away from his best form for us. Couple of more pounds to lose, more work on stamina/fitness to be had. He’s doing everything he’s doing on 70%. Salivating at the prospect of him being fully fit in terms of physicality.

Regardless of my discounting of Cole and the fact that I genuinely believe that a full strength Spurs side with a new midfielder and striker (and go on then, a backup for the left-back position) would not be far off from something special – I still think we have one major bugbear to overcome.

Consistency.

We need it in abundance. Discount Cole, but discounting Liverpool would be dangerous. Shadow of the side from a couple of years back, but regardless of their ordinary workman type style, they still have one or two players of genuine quality. You know who. And we need to remember we’ve come unstuck against sides of lesser quality overall who have out worked us to claim the points.

Still, you know if Mark Lawernson isn’t backing his club this week, it’s not quite right at Anfield. I’ll be massively disappointed if we lose. vdV or no vdV I would like a DVD type performance, except with no actual release in the club shop on Monday week, because that would be unbecoming.

City are doing their best to encourage ourselves and Boltonlona. Time to place down that marker. If there has ever been a time to swagger and swashbuckle, this is it.

Hodgson might well set his team out to frustrate us. We have to show belief. I know, it's tiresome the amount of times we refer back to this belief thing, but if the players actually took time out - just for a moment - to grasp the fact they're actually pretty damn good we might see sustained confidence which will breed sustained consistency which would turn into mighty momentum.

Dawson not far off from returning. Lennon rediscovering lost form. Defoe back. Timing is perfect if we can make it count with points leading into the new year.

vdV is also, obviously, important to us. Winning without him in the side equally so.

Show some spirit and intent Tottenham.

Go for the jugular.

COYS, please.

Your talent for making posts that annoy me because of their arrant stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

I wanted us to sign Joe Cole. I am glad he didn't because it meant we got VDV for free instead.
But that does not mean either that Joe Cole is not a very good player, or that he would have been por if we had signed him - you cannot claim to have been right in that as you are arguing from an abscence of proof (please understand, that it the end of the discussion on that one).

I would ask you to justify your ridiculous opinion by asking a whole of host of questions, but when I have done that previously you refuse to answer the questions that would show your opinions to be ridiculous and, instead, keep on repeating your ridiculous opinions.

But I will say this: Harry Redknapp rates Joe Cole HUGELY! Wat makes you think your understanding of football and footbalersis so much greater than his that you can post such rubbish as though you were a football Yoda? And, prsuming you actually have some positive answer to this first question, why don't you give up your present career and stake your fortune (and your balls) on becoming a football manager? You may have to start at the bottom, but, no doubt, you will soon be managing one of the Sky 4 (or Spurs

ray: not,

ray: not), for, as they say, cream rises to the top. And then, I will eat humble pie (and my hat and accept that you might ctually know something about the sport and those who participate in it:stupid:

stevenurse · Nov 28, 2010

cole out

ethanedwards · Nov 28, 2010

StartingPrice said:
And yet 'Arry "our manager" Redknapp rates him HUGELY.

:think:...I know whose assessment I would prioritise:roll:

Harry just gets misty eyed over his prodigy from the Spammers. Cole wanted 90k a week to play to play for us, daniel said no, thank god.

StartingPrice · Nov 29, 2010

ethanedwards said:
Harry just gets misty eyed over his prodigy from the Spammers. 1) Cole wanted 90k a week to play to play for us, 2) daniel said no, thank god.

1) The assessment of Joe Cole as a player has got absolutely nothing to do with the amount of wages Joe Cole asked for. I was criticising one person's assessment of him as a player. What the FCUK does the amount of wages he asked for have to do with it?;

2) I went out of my way to state that although I wanted us to sign Joe Cole I am glad he didn't as I rate VDV higher and I doubt we would have got him if Joe Cole had signed. I was criticising one person's assessment of him as a player. So what the FCUK does the fact tha, as it transpired, we ended up with an even better player have to do with that person's assessment of Joer Cole asa player?

We are, no doubt, paying VDV a pretty hefty wage, and the fact that VDV HAS been a success does not IN ANY WAY prove, or even suggest, that Joe Cole wouldn't have been - which is the wholly ridiculous conlcusionsome folk are reaching:bang:

ethanedwards · Nov 29, 2010

StartingPrice said:
1) The assessment of Joe Cole as a player has got absolutely nothing to do with the amount of wages Joe Cole asked for. I was criticising one person's assessment of him as a player. What the FCUK does the amount of wages he asked for have to do with it?;

2) I went out of my way to state that although I wanted us to sign Joe Cole I am glad he didn't as I rate VDV higher and I doubt we would have got him if Joe Cole had signed. I was criticising one person's assessment of him as a player. So what the FCUK does the fact tha, as it transpired, we ended up with an even better player have to do with that person's assessment of Joer Cole asa player?

We are, no doubt, paying VDV a pretty hefty wage, and the fact that VDV HAS been a success does not IN ANY WAY prove, or even suggest, that Joe Cole wouldn't have been - which is the wholly ridiculous conlcusionsome folk are reaching:bang:

Why is it a ridiculous conclusion, some people don't rate / didn't want Cole for various reasons. To me he was to big a risk injury wise to spunk that amount of money on. He was the type of player we would have bought a few years back, big reputation in the English media, dodgy record as to injuries. If he was as good as you think, why is he not still plying his trade at Chelsea. It could be argued that it would be wholly ridiculous to suggest he would have neeen a success at Spurs.

StartingPrice · Nov 29, 2010

ethanedwards said:
Why is it a ridiculous conclusion, some people don't rate / didn't want Cole for various reasons. To me he was to big a risk injury wise to spunk that amount of money on. He was the type of player we would have bought a few years back, big reputation in the English media, dodgy record as to injuries. If he was as good as you think, why is he not still plying his trade at Chelsea. It could be argued that it would be wholly ridiculous to suggest he would have neeen a success at Spurs.

You mentioned two things. I specifically indicated what I was drawing attention to, and why.

But I am not arguing he WOULD have been a success at WHL, the most I would ever say is IM MY OPINION I think he would have been. So why is that point relevant. I am drawing attention to the wholly fatuous connection some are making between us getting VDV and not Joe Cole, with the impressive form of VDV and an assertion that that somehow proves that Cole would have been a failure (which they are doing to justify their OPINION that he wouldn't have been a success as though it were somehow objective fact).

By the same reasoning, if Rafael van der Vaart were (really) any good, wouldn't he still be plying his trade at Real Madric:shrug:

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