Time for Harry to go ?

No I dont believe its time for 'Arry to go.

I think its a combination of problems atm. Its fair to say that we are struggling to juggle both competitions, and I think 'Arry's inexperience of this situation before means that he hasnt found solutions to handle both competitions, such as rotating the squad and instilling the mentality that every game is important not just the big/european games (this may tell more about the players and their attitude than the manager)

Saying that though we are in the last eight of the European Cup, which fans could only have dreamed about for I dont know how many years and we are doing consistently well in the league and competing with teams with far greater resources than ourselves. I dont know what else the guy can do in the long run to make people happy. Who else would have been able to make this much progress in the last 2 and a half years? Im not saying he is immune from criticism, I admit if I see him make a seemingly bonkers decision (like the starting formation tonight) I say that I think he has made a mistake, but his record for us speaks for itself and it seems some people are never happy. He deserves the opportunity to continue the challenge and take us to where we want to be, back at the very top.

Matt C said:

Appreciate what he has done for us but at the moment he seems to have taken his eye off the ball either through the England job or/and the tax stuff and it is rubbing off on the players, they have lost their mojo and we are drifting without leadership, Harry has made a series of frankly bizarre tactics and formations recently not to mention his dithering over new players in Jan.

Time for a younger hungrier manager ?

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Idiot.

you don't sack a manager for succeeding

Matt C said:

Appreciate what he has done for us but at the moment he seems to have taken his eye off the ball either through the England job or/and the tax stuff and it is rubbing off on the players, they have lost their mojo and we are drifting without leadership, Harry has made a series of frankly bizarre tactics and formations recently not to mention his dithering over new players in Jan.

Time for a younger hungrier manager ?

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I didn't neg rep you 'for daring to have a different opinion on Harry' - I neg repped you for posting the above stupid comment 10 minutes after we lost the first leg of a Champion's League quarter final away from home to Real Madrid :lol:

More I think of it at the end of the season let him go

The more and more we play the more we can see the pressure getting to him and he has no answers but to Blane bad Luck or one of those days weve had about 15 of them this season!
We ain't been on a run this bad since we first let Robbie go to pool I think!

Harrys a good manager but he's not a great one I like the guy but the whole England thing the whole tax affairs is all taking it's toll on him the poor bloke gets up at 4am every morning to get training! He seems to have lost that magic touch or lucky touch! He's an OAP at the end of the day maybe he's tiring?

He's also lost alot of the players respect Niko,seb,bentley,Defoe,pav,palacios(all players I'd consider as unhappy) and dented the players confidence with some of his policy's this season our squad morale seems to be at a huge low swell since January. For example jermaine scored two crackers vs wolves then gets dropped that's horrible! Niko wins us 6 points in two weeks did t get a start after it didn't even get 60 mins!. Pav is a good striker but Harrys never liked him bit then never deemed fit to replace him?.

His failings in the January market are evident should and could have brought Suarez in imagine the difference he could have made? Our infact any striker could have made? Harry didn't do anything about it just sat and watched January go by!.

His tactics sometimes are awful! Like tonight vs Madrid

We can't defend at all!

We don't have a plan b well we do it's called hoof it to old lanky legs upfront this doesn't work but we still try it :lol: it mist be an instruction surely!

If we make the change now it also stops us losing out when he finally takes over at England. We could make the choice mow tell Harry it's his last season with us and he's free to go to england put him in a DOF role until he gets the job and we can succesfully identify the new manager we want for 2011-12 season.

The main question is who?

Mourinho - possible but no realistic
Coyle - possible huge gamble but not certain he would leave Bolton
Moyes - please no but looks like he's off out at everton especially with the budget cuts there
Klinsman - risky
O'neil - fans would hate it
Sherwood - huge risk
Allardyce - unpopular
Cappelo - Proven at the highest level great success rate but can't speak English all that well
Mclaren - hmm willy with a brolly
Mark Hughes - proven plays good football and good manager
Roy hodgson - choked at Liverpool but would love a second chance
Rafa Benitez - another see above
Chris houghton - could be doable
Glen Hoddle - could try it again or has he had to long out of the game?
Steve Bruce - genius in the transfer market at times good eye for youth swell
Brendan Rodgers - performing miracles at Swansea
Roberto Mancini - will be out of a job soon no matter what he does?
Martin Jol - we love the big fella but I think he was overated!
Sven Goran Eriksson - unpopular but proven!
Pep Guardiola - has he signed a new deal yet?

That's a list if all managers i class as wouldn't say no at the job

I don't know what's happended recently behind the scenes with us but something is big time not right!

Mullers said:

Yes it's time for Harry to go he's already been at the club too long. We are supposed to change our manager every couple of years. It's now time for our transitional midtable, non European playing period, boy do I miss those days.

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:rofl:.......well said.....bad night at the office, but to suggest we get rid of Harry is fucking amazing.:duh::duh:

A man who, in his squad, has a 31 yr old, 6' 7'' stick insect who can't jump, a Ruski he doesn't rate who speaks no English, a midget who would miss the floor if he flicked his shit at it and a little Irish fella who can't get himself together after his scouse dream went sour...............decides and announces that he's "happy with the strike 'force' I've got." !!!!

Should he go? :shrug:

He does seem to have some noticeable failings. He was indecisive during two transfer windows, doesn't seem to understand the obvious deficiencies of our strike force, seems to be overly reliant on English 'talent' (Crouch, Defoe and Jenas shouldn't be anywhere near the first team), his substitutions are late and sometimes bizarre (Defoe for VDV??) and generally he just doesn't seem to be able to change games to make things happen.

As someone else said, his motivational skills are good and that's bought the best out of some quality players. But now that Bale, VDV (and too a lesser extent Modric) aren't quite on top of their game and covering up the cracks we're seeing the deficiencies in his tactical ability.

Time for us to get rid of him? Don't think so. Bothered if he left of his own accord to be England manager? Definitely not.

striebs said:

Harry is the best thing that has happened to Spurs since BMJ .

It is Levy who is holding us back . It's time he moved aside and let the football men manage unemcombered .

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What?!

Seriously, I've seen more shit in Spurs Chat today than I've seen in drunken, pebble-dashed pub toilets. Ridiculous.

Yes, horrendous night. Yes, bad form of late. Harry to go? Are you serious? To call it a knee jerk reaction would be kind to those bearing these opinions. It's not knee jerk. It's stupidity on a par with Crouch's actions last night. More ignorance than a gay couple in Qatar. Less backbone than a damn worm.

There were mistakes from both players and Harry last night. They're all inexperienced. This tragedy was one too far to come back from. It doesn't mean we should dismantle the best squad we've had in donkey's years because some people are so impatient that they want us to win the Champions League, going through the toughest draw imaginable, on our first go. :roll:

mattstev2000 said:

Time for us to get rid of him? Don't think so. Bothered if he left of his own accord to be England manager? Definitely not.

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This.

So you think if Harry leaves we'll kick on another level then?

@dimispur, I'm not calling for Harry out or anything, but some of these mistakes do not require experience to avoid. Personally I'm disappointed and in two minds about the whole thing. I agree that Harry has done wonders for us but there have been few games where I've felt that he's made the right substitutions at the right time, and many games where he waits too long and lets the game slip away before making a sub, or makes a wrong one or none. Watching Man Utd it is the opposite, Ferguson always seems to make the right changes at exactly the right time, and they usually turn the game around. Against West Ham for instance, he takes Evra off, moves Giggs to left back, brings on Hernandez and Berbatov, and they turn the game around and score 4 goals.

Problem is Harry's strength is motivating players to play their best, but at the highest level this isn't enough, you need to know your opponents and know your own team well enough as well. SAF does this - no one else could play 7 defenders against Arsenal and still win comfortably because no one knows his team as well as SAF does. Don't mean to wank over Ferguson or anything, but he's a good example because there probably isn't a better manager in the world.

It's just disappointing because it feels like the team is playing without tactics or strategy, and the substitutions aren't working. To make it worse, Harry moved our best players to where they wouldn't work. Not to mention he seems to be pretty useless in the transfer windows and can't identify strikers that can improve us, while nearly everyone on this forum actually can do that.

Time for Harry to leave because we got our asses handed to us by Real Madrid playing with 10 men? No I don't think so. We haven't been playing well at all lately but these things happen and our boys have got to man up and get on with it and improve.

InOffMeLeftShin said:

Time for Harry to leave because we got our asses handed to us by Real Madrid playing with 10 men? No I don't think so. We haven't been playing well at all lately but these things happen and our boys have got to man up and get on with it and improve.

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Yeah but we had 10 men because Crouch is stupid. Why did we have Crouch playing? Because Harry couldn't pick a striker in summer OR winter who would improve our dreadful strike force. Levy was willing to spend the money so what was the problem? Even a midtable prem striker would improve us and probably start in the Champions League, our strikers are truly that shit.

Who is gonna score our goals right now? It's not that baffling that we've not won a game in the last 5 or something, and been beaten the hell out of by Fulham, Blackpool, and now Real. Nobody is going to score our goals. Bale, Lennon, and VDV are not expected to score a goal in every two games, they are mainly expected to set up goals. But yet these three are the best hope we have to score, so OF COURSE we can't expect to score more than a goal or two in a game, if that, and when you look at our results over this season you see that we hardly ever have scored more than 2 goals in a game and we have NEVER beaten an opponent in the league this year by more than 2 goals. Even "boring" Man City have won certain games 4-0 and 5-0.

I don't see how this doesn't make sense to everyone, or how you can be so nonchalant about it, we are literally throwing away an opportunity to establish ourselves as a top 4 team, and I would think more people would be rather upset about it no matter where history says we should be.

ItsBoris said:

I don't see how this doesn't make sense to everyone, or how you can be so nonchalant about it, we are literally throwing away an opportunity to establish ourselves as a top 4 team, and I would think more people would be rather upset about it no matter where history says we should be.

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It makes sense, everyone knows we have striker issues. It has been a recurring theme on these boards for the best part of a year. But after all the whinging for the last year it seems like the striker issue is brought up at every opportunity. Crouch got sent off, it wasn't down to his lack of striking abilities. When Defoe came on he did OK but it was never going to be the game for him last night.

Yes we might have buried teams in the league if we had better strikers but what can we do about it now? Yes I am upset that we are throwing away chances in the league but it is not only because of our strikers. We need to improve in plenty of other areas as well, even with the players that we have.

I wouldn't say I was being nonchalent about it, but a thread suggesting that we should get rid of Harry frankly deserves a crap answer because it is a shit thread and a boring discussion.

No.

My main concern about Harry is that it looks like he is so set to become England Manager in 2012, it might have a knock on effect on the team next season.

ItsBoris said:

@dimispur, I'm not calling for Harry out or anything, but some of these mistakes do not require experience to avoid. Personally I'm disappointed and in two minds about the whole thing. I agree that Harry has done wonders for us but there have been few games where I've felt that he's made the right substitutions at the right time, and many games where he waits too long and lets the game slip away before making a sub, or makes a wrong one or none. Watching Man Utd it is the opposite, Ferguson always seems to make the right changes at exactly the right time, and they usually turn the game around. Against West Ham for instance, he takes Evra off, moves Giggs to left back, brings on Hernandez and Berbatov, and they turn the game around and score 4 goals.

Problem is Harry's strength is motivating players to play their best, but at the highest level this isn't enough, you need to know your opponents and know your own team well enough as well. SAF does this - no one else could play 7 defenders against Arsenal and still win comfortably because no one knows his team as well as SAF does. Don't mean to wank over Ferguson or anything, but he's a good example because there probably isn't a better manager in the world.

It's just disappointing because it feels like the team is playing without tactics or strategy, and the substitutions aren't working. To make it worse, Harry moved our best players to where they wouldn't work. Not to mention he seems to be pretty useless in the transfer windows and can't identify strikers that can improve us, while nearly everyone on this forum actually can do that.

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What I would say about Fergie is that he's similar to Harry, in that he has an eye for players and a great motivator. However I feel they both lack tactically. SAF has learn't over the years, as Harry would have had he been managing at the top level for 20 odd years. Historically, SAF's number 2, has always been a tactician. An analyzer. McLaren, Phelan, Quieroz and so on. They point out the tactics and he utilises them.

I'm sure Harry does the same to an extent with his backroom staff, however I don't think they work on things enough. Many times we hear players in interviews saying the enjoy their football as they are told to just "go out and play". VdV has said how training is very simple. Abit ominous.

However I don't agree for one moment that we should even be thinking about Harry's position. How the fuck can we? We need stability. The only way I'd replace Harry is if I was sure he'd leave for England in a few months, and Mourinho suddenly became available. Then I'd sack him before he quits, and get him in. Should he pledge loyatly to Spurs however, the same must be practised by us fans/the Club.

InOffMeLeftShin said:

It makes sense, everyone knows we have striker issues. It has been a recurring theme on these boards for the best part of a year. But after all the whinging for the last year it seems like the striker issue is brought up at every opportunity. Crouch got sent off, it wasn't down to his lack of striking abilities. When Defoe came on he did OK but it was never going to be the game for him last night.

Yes we might have buried teams in the league if we had better strikers but what can we do about it now? Yes I am upset that we are throwing away chances in the league but it is not only because of our strikers. We need to improve in plenty of other areas as well, even with the players that we have.

I wouldn't say I was being nonchalent about it, but a thread suggesting that we should get rid of Harry frankly deserves a crap answer because it is a shit thread and a boring discussion.

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What we can learn from our mistakes but we never do. Literally everyone on this forum knew we needed top strikers, and we have the money apparently, Levy is willing to spend, so why didn't we capitalize? And when we figured out our mistake, why did we continue to do nothing about it in subsequent windows? If we don't get top 4 this year we might have lost our chance entirely, but even so we need to do our best to keep our top players and promise recruitment that will put us in contention of winning the Premier League next year.

dimiSpur said:

Seriously, I've seen more shit in Spurs Chat today than I've seen in drunken, pebble-dashed pub toilets. Ridiculous.

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The only thing I agree with in this thread.

What a fucking load of shit some of you are saying, would you of started this thread at 7pm yesterday?

Get a grip you lot, a few seasons ago we were getting shit left right and centre for being bottom and last night we played in the quaters of the CL. In footballing terms that is success over night.

Where do we go from here? We pick ourselves up, we dont suddenly become pussy's and feel all sorry for ourselves, we dont start coming out with dumb shit some of you lot are and look to beati Stoke on Sat.

Look at the bigger picture FFS.