Time for Harry to go ?

[ItsBoris]

What I would say about Fergie is that he's similar to Harry, in that he has an eye for players and a great motivator. However I feel they both lack tactically. SAF has learn't over the years, as Harry would have had he been managing at the top level for 20 odd years. Historically, SAF's number 2, has always been a tactician. An analyzer. McLaren, Phelan, Quieroz and so on. They point out the tactics and he utilises them.

I'm sure Harry does the same to an extent with his backroom staff, however I don't think they work on things enough. Many times we hear players in interviews saying the enjoy their football as they are told to just "go out and play". VdV has said how training is very simple. Abit ominous.

However I don't agree for one moment that we should even be thinking about Harry's position. How the fuck can we? We need stability. The only way I'd replace Harry is if I was sure he'd leave for England in a few months, and Mourinho suddenly became available. Then I'd sack him before he quits, and get him in. Should he pledge loyatly to Spurs however, the same must be practised by us fans/the Club.

I don't agree with your assessment, I think Ferguson is very tactically astute or has at least become that way over the years, our 'Arry instead seems to not even believe tactics/strategy is important so why would he have analytical strategist types on his staff? Also when you watch other teams you see teamwork that must have been practiced in training but I don't really see that as much with us.

Still agree that Harry should stay with us unless he decides to leave but I just wish he would admit his mistakes or at least learn from them instead of blabbing on about "2 points in 8 games, quarterfinals of the CL, etc."

 

[talkshowhost86]

No.

My main concern about Harry is that it looks like he is so set to become England Manager in 2012, it might have a knock on effect on the team next season.

I think that's a legitimate concern and if Harry isn't going to commit past 2012 you have to wonder what effect that will have on the players, and on Harry's ability to fully concentrate on the job.

I don't think that's had any bearing on his managerial skills lately though.

 

[Chilli]

The only thing I agree with in this thread.

What a fucking load of shit some of you are saying, would you of started this thread at 7pm yesterday?

Get a grip you lot, a few seasons ago we were getting shit left right and centre for being bottom and last night we played in the quaters of the CL. In footballing terms that is success over night.

Where do we go from here? We pick ourselves up, we dont suddenly become pussy's and feel all sorry for ourselves, we dont start coming out with dumb shit some of you lot are and look to beati Stoke on Sat.

Look at the bigger picture FFS.

Reposted mine to make sure the haters see some sense.

 

[ItsBoris]

Reposted mine to make sure the haters see some sense.

Some of us are just frustrated that 'Arry doesn't seem to be correcting or admitting certain mistakes but is just getting very indignant and defensive, I don't see how that is "hating" or being stupid...

 

[Chilli]

Some of us are just frustrated that 'Arry doesn't seem to be correcting or admitting certain mistakes but is just getting very indignant and defensive, I don't see how that is "hating" or being stupid...

Dude, maybe reread my post.

Failing that, make a cup of tea, knock one out, chill out a bit and then look at the bigger picture.

 

[dav3j]

I can't be bothered with reading this thread all the way through, I'm tired, hungover and pissed off, but can I just say, ridiculous knee-jerk reaction. OP needs some perspective.

 

[ItsBoris]

Dude, maybe reread my post.

Failing that, make a cup of tea, knock one out, chill out a bit and then look at the bigger picture.

uh, ok just wondering if I'm one of these "haters" you're on about :roll:

 

[talkshowhost86]

Some of us are just frustrated that 'Arry doesn't seem to be correcting or admitting certain mistakes but is just getting very indignant and defensive, I don't see how that is "hating" or being stupid...

What exactly would you like him to do at the moment?

Playing Crouch wasn't a mistake last night. He's been excellent in Europe and that sort of stupidity isn't something we see regularly from him. Not Harry's fault at all.

Yes the striker situation is partly his fault but what should he do now? Should he come out and say 'yes I was wrong and all of my strikers are shit?' If you think that then you have some lessons to learn about man-management.

And ultimately we're going to go out of the Champions League to arguably the second best team in the world. Yes it's disappointing and yes we're all angry but is that reason enough to sack the manager who has got us into this position in the first place? The answer to that question is two letters long and rhymes with slow.

 

[nailsy]

I haven't read the whole thread so appolagies if this has already been said, but surely the most successful clubs are the ones that are built on stability? Let Harry stay and finish building the team that he wants. Get him the striker he's been asking for and see what happens. He thinks we're capable of challenging for the title next year so lets just see if he's right before we sack him shall we?

 

[dimiSpur]

I don't agree with your assessment, I think Ferguson is very tactically astute or has at least become that way over the years, our 'Arry instead seems to not even believe tactics/strategy is important so why would he have analytical strategist types on his staff? Also when you watch other teams you see teamwork that must have been practiced in training but I don't really see that as much with us.

Still agree that Harry should stay with us unless he decides to leave but I just wish he would admit his mistakes or at least learn from them instead of blabbing on about "2 points in 8 games, quarterfinals of the CL, etc."

Yep you're probably right. I'm just trying to look at things optimistically, but that's not such an easy task I guess this morning.

 

[Paxtonite]

you don't sack a manager for succeeding

Define success

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

What exactly would you like him to do at the moment?

Playing Crouch wasn't a mistake last night. He's been excellent in Europe and that sort of stupidity isn't something we see regularly from him. Not Harry's fault at all.

Yes the striker situation is partly his fault but what should he do now? Should he come out and say 'yes I was wrong and all of my strikers are shit?' If you think that then you have some lessons to learn about man-management.

And ultimately we're going to go out of the Champions League to arguably the second best team in the world. Yes it's disappointing and yes we're all angry but is that reason enough to sack the manager who has got us into this position in the first place? The answer to that question is two letters long and rhymes with slow.

"go"?

 

[ItsBoris]

What exactly would you like him to do at the moment?

Playing Crouch wasn't a mistake last night. He's been excellent in Europe and that sort of stupidity isn't something we see regularly from him. Not Harry's fault at all.

Yes the striker situation is partly his fault but what should he do now? Should he come out and say 'yes I was wrong and all of my strikers are shit?' If you think that then you have some lessons to learn about man-management.

And ultimately we're going to go out of the Champions League to arguably the second best team in the world. Yes it's disappointing and yes we're all angry but is that reason enough to sack the manager who has got us into this position in the first place? The answer to that question is two letters long and rhymes with slow.

We had money to spend in the Winter window, Levy made panic bids on the last day because Harry didn't decide who he wanted. After the previous windows you have to recognize that you missed chances to get new strikers.

Crouch is simply not a good player, even if he has scored a few goals in Europe. Even a player like Elmander would improve us significantly but we still had better options imo.

I know there's nothing we can do about it now, but FFS we keep getting the opportunity to correct these things and we never do. Eventually we're not going to have the chance anymore.

And most of all he needs to realize real fast that tactics and strategy are important and if our coaching staff is not identifying the opponents weaknesses and figuring out a strategy to beat them then that definitely has to change. If Inter did that against Barcelona last year they would have gotten hammered but Jose showed us that the inferior team can win with superior strategy. We should know this by now.

 

[Paxtonite]

I've personally never been a fan of Redknapps, and this isn't an opinion based on tonights game.
Yes, he 'saved us from relegation' but in all honesty would that squad have ever been relegated?
Yes, he got us into the Top 4, but the previous season aside we had finished in the Top 5 2 seasons running.
Yes, we have got to the Champs League 1/4 finals, but in my opinion our league form has suffered as a result. The league is our bread and butter and we have seemed to take our eye off the ball in that sense.
I believe that we are currently only in 5th place because the teams below us aren't good enough, e.g. Liverpool have moved from the bottom 3 or 4 to now be chasing our tails.
Man City are beating the teams they should be able to beat- we aren't.

I am also fed up of constantly being told I should be greatful for what has happened this season. As far as I am concerned we have become a good bit of experience to put on his CV and also polish what seems to be an ever growing ego, for when he applys to the FA for their top job.

Agree with this. We also had a "nailed on" FA Cup semi final against the league's bottom club last season which we somehow lost. My disappointment this season has been in home performances against Wigan, West Ham, Sunderland and away against Wigan, West Ham, Blackpool, Wolves etc. Winning those games would have been a real testament to Redknapp's mangement.

He always seems to get his excuses in early. Now we are struggling (apparently) to get a team out for the next match v stoke......Lets see what happens now....Maybe we can only concentrate on one competition at a time?

Not sure if he should go at the moment despite this.......but i want better from him...he is capable of better. Stop with the excuses and just get on with it.

 

[adiepf]

harry, mistake after mistake

harry redknapp whilst a good manager has simply taken this club as far as he can.

when he has a fully fit squad to choose from he is fine, hes 442, the team(a bloody good one when all fit) picks its self....

but when they arent all fit (& thats another thing, our injury?fitness record for pulls & cramp are a disgrace under his management), when he needs to earn his corn in a tactical manner he fails consistantly.....

from last night

instance 1: weve worked all week on a 4411 formation with a midfield 4 of (from the left) bale, modric, sandro, lennon....our best players, this picks itself....each player has a player to mark on set pieces etc....

lennon pulls out at last minute, now from a very early age at any level of football everyone knows you just choose horses for courses...change like for like as much as you can....limit the damage on tactical planning

we had worked all week with that midfield so why didnt he just say to JJ, your wide right, u pick up lennons man...same formation, same tactics, same marking??????....he messed up a whole weeks work 1 minute before a game ffs!!!!, put the best left winger in the world (imo) on the right, our best midfielder (at keeping us posession) on the left & destroyed our planning just for JJ....sheer madness


instance 2: we have 10 men & our prized & best outlet is the pace of bale on the counter, so why take off the only player on the park who in a tight quick thinking needed spot could play him the perfect ball from 50, 60 yards in VDV???????....SHIFT HIM RIGHT ALA BLACKBURN HARRY FFS....marcelo was bombing on all day anyway & the ball would have got to VDV on plenty of occasion in the second half on the right...

instance 3: bring on defoe to hold up the ball on his own isntead of pav.....BEYOND STUPID

instance 4: corluka gets injured & bassong comes on, bennys been our best player & gallas has played right back at least 5 times this season so obviously he will go right, bassong & dawson will play centre & benny will stay left because hes mustard there.....OH NO....we will shift benny right (WTF) & stick bassong left back!!...perfect, 4th goal, bennys out of position on right (not a right back), ball get splayed to ronaldo & bassong doesnt anticipate it or close him down quick enough (not a left back)...

Harry is tactically not good enough, thanks but goodbye fella....

oh & he has bought basically all our old players back also....didnt think suarez was worth the money (better than ANYTHING we have up front)...constantly says we were rubbish before he took over, forgetting we finished 5th twice on the bounce & won a trophy in the 3 years prior to him taking over a squad that consisted of at least 95% of the players we still have!

he is a good manager, but not good enough for spurs (my opinion)

 

[MrWoolley]

Merged with the other Harry thread. We don't need multiple threads on the same topic.

 

[dimiSpur]

harry redknapp whilst a good manager has simply taken this club as far as he can.

when he has a fully fit squad to choose from he is fine, hes 442, the team(a bloody good one when all fit) picks its self....

but when they arent all fit (& thats another thing, our injury?fitness record for pulls & cramp are a disgrace under his management), when he needs to earn his corn in a tactical manner he fails consistantly.....

from last night

instance 1: weve worked all week on a 4411 formation with a midfield 4 of (from the left) bale, modric, sandro, lennon....our best players, this picks itself....each player has a player to mark on set pieces etc....

lennon pulls out at last minute, now from a very early age at any level of football everyone knows you just choose horses for courses...change like for like as much as you can....limit the damage on tactical planning

we had worked all week with that midfield so why didnt he just say to JJ, your wide right, u pick up lennons man...same formation, same tactics, same marking??????....he messed up a whole weeks work 1 minute before a game ffs!!!!, put the best left winger in the world (imo) on the right, our best midfielder (at keeping us posession) on the left & destroyed our planning just for JJ....sheer madness


instance 2: we have 10 men & our prized & best outlet is the pace of bale on the counter, so why take off the only player on the park who in a tight quick thinking needed spot could play him the perfect ball from 50, 60 yards in VDV???????....SHIFT HIM RIGHT ALA BLACKBURN HARRY FFS....marcelo was bombing on all day anyway & the ball would have got to VDV on plenty of occasion in the second half on the right...

instance 3: bring on defoe to hold up the ball on his own isntead of pav.....BEYOND STUPID

instance 4: corluka gets injured & bassong comes on, bennys been our best player & gallas has played right back at least 5 times this season so obviously he will go right, bassong & dawson will play centre & benny will stay left because hes mustard there.....OH NO....we will shift benny right (WTF) & stick bassong left back!!...perfect, 4th goal, bennys out of position on right (not a right back), ball get splayed to ronaldo & bassong doesnt anticipate it or close him down quick enough (not a left back)...

Harry is tactically not good enough, thanks but goodbye fella....

oh & he has bought basically all our old players back also....didnt think suarez was worth the money (better than ANYTHING we have up front)...constantly says we were rubbish before he took over, forgetting we finished 5th twice on the bounce & won a trophy in the 3 years prior to him taking over a squad that consisted of at least 95% of the players we still have!

he is a good manager, but not good enough for spurs (my opinion)

 

[full-frontal-nudity]

I've personally never been a fan of Redknapps, and this isn't an opinion based on tonights game.
Yes, he 'saved us from relegation' but in all honesty would that squad have ever been relegated?
Yes, he got us into the Top 4, but the previous season aside we had finished in the Top 5 2 seasons running.
Yes, we have got to the Champs League 1/4 finals, but in my opinion our league form has suffered as a result. The league is our bread and butter and we have seemed to take our eye off the ball in that sense.
I believe that we are currently only in 5th place because the teams below us aren't good enough, e.g. Liverpool have moved from the bottom 3 or 4 to now be chasing our tails.
Man City are beating the teams they should be able to beat- we aren't.

I am also fed up of constantly being told I should be greatful for what has happened this season. As far as I am concerned we have become a good bit of experience to put on his CV and also polish what seems to be an ever growing ego, for when he applys to the FA for their top job.

:clap:

 

[ItsBoris]

harry redknapp whilst a good manager has simply taken this club as far as he can.

when he has a fully fit squad to choose from he is fine, hes 442, the team(a bloody good one when all fit) picks its self....

but when they arent all fit (& thats another thing, our injury?fitness record for pulls & cramp are a disgrace under his management), when he needs to earn his corn in a tactical manner he fails consistantly.....

from last night

instance 1: weve worked all week on a 4411 formation with a midfield 4 of (from the left) bale, modric, sandro, lennon....our best players, this picks itself....each player has a player to mark on set pieces etc....

lennon pulls out at last minute, now from a very early age at any level of football everyone knows you just choose horses for courses...change like for like as much as you can....limit the damage on tactical planning

we had worked all week with that midfield so why didnt he just say to JJ, your wide right, u pick up lennons man...same formation, same tactics, same marking??????....he messed up a whole weeks work 1 minute before a game ffs!!!!, put the best left winger in the world (imo) on the right, our best midfielder (at keeping us posession) on the left & destroyed our planning just for JJ....sheer madness


instance 2: we have 10 men & our prized & best outlet is the pace of bale on the counter, so why take off the only player on the park who in a tight quick thinking needed spot could play him the perfect ball from 50, 60 yards in VDV???????....SHIFT HIM RIGHT ALA BLACKBURN HARRY FFS....marcelo was bombing on all day anyway & the ball would have got to VDV on plenty of occasion in the second half on the right...

instance 3: bring on defoe to hold up the ball on his own isntead of pav.....BEYOND STUPID

instance 4: corluka gets injured & bassong comes on, bennys been our best player & gallas has played right back at least 5 times this season so obviously he will go right, bassong & dawson will play centre & benny will stay left because hes mustard there.....OH NO....we will shift benny right (WTF) & stick bassong left back!!...perfect, 4th goal, bennys out of position on right (not a right back), ball get splayed to ronaldo & bassong doesnt anticipate it or close him down quick enough (not a left back)...

Harry is tactically not good enough, thanks but goodbye fella....

oh & he has bought basically all our old players back also....didnt think suarez was worth the money (better than ANYTHING we have up front)...constantly says we were rubbish before he took over, forgetting we finished 5th twice on the bounce & won a trophy in the 3 years prior to him taking over a squad that consisted of at least 95% of the players we still have!

he is a good manager, but not good enough for spurs (my opinion)

It makes me angry reading this because it is all true really. I'm not sure if these bizarre decisions and substitutions are recent or if it has been this way all along, can't remember really and didn't care before.

IMO the smart thing to do before the game would be to leave Modric and Bale where they are, move VDV out to right wing, and put Huddlestone in the middle if he was ready for it.

 

[Matt C]

lol at all the numbskulls that negative repped me for this thread