What's new

The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 16 May 2011

jimbo

Cabbages
Dec 22, 2003
8,071
7,550
I never understand these ones.

Wants to back up North? Liverpool is a far cry from Leeds. you may as well be in a foreign country!!!

Not so, they built a canal especially.

All Lezza has to do is buy himself a pedalo and he can get back and forth in no time.
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
Get in Beckham as a coach/teaching the kids but not as a player, yes he scored a cracker over the weekend but he is too old and slow for the premiership now.
 

Berglad

Well-Known Member
Aug 12, 2008
2,557
2,749
But this has been the same record that's been played since Harry started.

When Bale becomes a world beater because Harry is forced to play him....he doesn't learn

When Rose continues to impress because of necessity, he doesn't learn (to the point of freezing the lad out of the side for a year)

When Sandro throws us for a loop because of injuries, he doesn't learn.

He only plays kids under duress. And this wasn't what he was like at West Ham. He developed a fantastic amount of kids. So why the change. I don't get it

I'm not pie-in-the-sky. We can't be Dortmund and play a team of U23's and win the league. I get that. And I think leadership is important, but it exists outside of age. That comes down to intangibles. King has been the leader of this team forever and walks on the pitch and we shut down one of the hottest attacks in the game. It's not because he's nearing 30. Because 6 years ago, he did the same thing.

And I get its ITK....but there is a reason that these are believable while Marin or Sakto make you giggle

Don't fully agree with your point, although I am concerned about us buying mediocre-good older players (often on high wages) that don't improve us and don't have sell-on value. But I think others have raised this issue before about Harry only caring about the short-term. He's looking toward the end of his career, even if he doesn't get the England job, so buying players that are going to flourish a couple years down the line, so it makes sense that he would be looking to players that could put in one or two years for him.

Harry won't have to worry about what it means when those players are no longer performing but still have contracts, since he'll be at England or retired, so I think it's understandable that there may be some friction between him and Levy on this (like the alleged £250K bid for Phil Neville).
 

nicdic

Official SC Padre
Admin
May 8, 2005
41,857
25,920
But this has been the same record that's been played since Harry started.

When Bale becomes a world beater because Harry is forced to play him....he doesn't learn

When Rose continues to impress because of necessity, he doesn't learn (to the point of freezing the lad out of the side for a year)

When Sandro throws us for a loop because of injuries, he doesn't learn.

He only plays kids under duress. And this wasn't what he was like at West Ham. He developed a fantastic amount of kids. So why the change. I don't get it

I'm not pie-in-the-sky. We can't be Dortmund and play a team of U23's and win the league. I get that. And I think leadership is important, but it exists outside of age. That comes down to intangibles. King has been the leader of this team forever and walks on the pitch and we shut down one of the hottest attacks in the game. It's not because he's nearing 30. Because 6 years ago, he did the same thing.

And I get its ITK....but there is a reason that these are believable while Marin or Sakto make you giggle

No one would have played Bale before Assou-Ekotto had got injured, when he had played he hadn't been great bar his first season.

Rose played one half against Arsenal, sure he scored a great goal, but he didn't really do much else, he only played through injury to Lennon.

Sandro had a shaky start, we wanted to slowly blood him, everyone wanted that.

It's ridiculous to use those as reasons to bash Harry.

Moving Bale from left back to left midfield when BAE came back was a good move. Playing Rose at left back, looks to have solved the issue of back up for that positions. And Sandro now commands a first team position. All of that was down to Harry.

Sturridge would be a great signing he is gonna be immense

I second that.

That's the thing, everyone keeps talking about buying Sturridge but after the promise he's shown surely Chelsea won't be looking to sell him. It would send the wrong message to their other youngsters if a good prospect like Sturridge still gets sold.

Pretty sure Sturridge said he wants to stay at Chelsea next year

Sturridge will not be going anywhere. Anelka and Drogba are more likely to leave than Sturridge. He was out on loan so he could continue to develop. He's very highly rated at Chelsea, and rightly so.
 

Azrael

Banned
May 23, 2004
9,377
14
Get in Beckham as a coach/teaching the kids but not as a player, yes he scored a cracker over the weekend but he is too old and slow for the premiership now.
Teaching the kids with his vast coaching experience?

Don't think so. I think he can still do a job as a super-sub, but as a coach? Laughable nonsense.
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
Teaching the kids with his vast coaching experience?

Don't think so. I think he can still do a job as a super-sub, but as a coach? Laughable nonsense.

He is one of the greatest players this country has produced in my lifetime, maybe even the greatest, he has seen it, done it, won it, youngsters would look up to him and even if he does not have coaching badges they can learn from him.

Davids used to stay behind after training and teach the younger players, coincidence that we got 2 lots of 5th in Davids's time ? hmmmmmmm
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
Teaching the kids with his vast coaching experience?

Don't think so. I think he can still do a job as a super-sub, but as a coach? Laughable nonsense.

Imagine too what he could teach Lennon about crossing, imagine what he could teach Bale about set pieces.
 

Azrael

Banned
May 23, 2004
9,377
14
He is one of the greatest players this country has produced in my lifetime, maybe even the greatest, he has seen it, done it, won it, youngsters would look up to him and even if he does not have coaching badges they can learn from him.
I highlighted your own words to make it clear to you. staying late in training does not automaticallyu qualify Beckham as a great coach.


coincidence that we got 2 lots of 5th in Davids's time ?
Um, what? Are we watching the same team?
 

Azrael

Banned
May 23, 2004
9,377
14
Imagine too what he could teach Lennon about crossing.
What exactly is he going to teach Lennon that Aaron has not already beem taught? Which boot deal to go for? How much gel to put in his hair?

You seem to forget that Lennon has had plenty of time to "learn" from Beckham in England training.
 

nicdic

Official SC Padre
Admin
May 8, 2005
41,857
25,920
He has said he's watching a lot of games now, looking at players, and looking for a forward.
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
I highlighted your own words to make it clear to you. staying late in training does not automaticallyu qualify Beckham as a great coach.



Um, what? Are we watching the same team?

He will have coached kids at his "soccer" academy's that he set up so I am sure that he has experience of teaching football techniques.

The guy is an inspiration, just being on the same training pitch as young players or academy players at Spurs would boost the players, a youngster being on the same field as Beckham would be like me being stuck in a lift with Steve Jobs
 

Azrael

Banned
May 23, 2004
9,377
14
He will have coached kids at his "soccer" academy's that he set up so I am sure that he has experience of teaching football techniques.
When did he find the time to become a full time coach to children. Since when were children the same as premiership footballers?
The guy is an inspiration, just being on the same training pitch as young players or academy players at Spurs would boost the players, a youngster being on the same field as Beckham would be like me being stuck in a lift with Steve Jobs
Somehow I think that if you were stuck ina lift with Steve Jobs you'd be trying to convince him why your banana was better than his apple.
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
When did he find the time to become a full time coach to children. Since when were children the same as premiership footballers?

Somehow I think that if you were stuck ina lift with Steve Jobs you'd be trying to convince him why your banana was better than his apple.

My wife is very happy with the size of my banana thanks :razz: but Jobs is my personal and professional idol even being in the same room as him would be the 3rd greatest moment of my life after the birth of my kids

Does Sherwood have coaching badges ? does Ferdinand ? didn't stop Harry hiring them.

There is hardly anyone on this board who doesn't want Ledders to be given a coaching role when he retires, what experience of coaching does he have ? why could King be a great coach but not Beckham ?
 

Azrael

Banned
May 23, 2004
9,377
14
Does Sherwood have coaching badges ? does Ferdinand ? didn't stop Harry hiring them.
So because Harry brought them in it was the best decision? At least one of these hasn't taught the players much. Can you guess which?

There is hardly anyone on this board who doesn't want Ledders to be given a coaching role when he retires, what experience of coaching does he have ?
Says who? I am dead against such an idea and so are plenty of others. It's romantic nonsense. What proof do we have that King could be a coach? Absolutely fucking none. Sure, if he goes elsewhere and becomes a top coach then fine we can consider him, but to suggest he should be a coach just because he's been a good player is utterly absurd.

why could King be a great coach but not Beckham ?
This sentence is made on the basis that I think King would be a good coach, which clearly I don't without some kind of explanation over what factors would make King a great coach right out of the block.
 

DoublePivot

Relegated to Lurker
Jul 1, 2005
8,987
67
Yeh that's what I meant. Not sure if Lyon have any potential strikers

Gomis some have argued for. Bastos and Briand have been linked in the past. But Lyon pay the best wage in France and it wouldn't be a sure bet we could beat them. I know Makoun was paid more at Lyon than Villa's initial offer and Villa pay better than we do
 

Matt C

Banned
May 19, 2009
2,332
1
So because Harry brought them in it was the best decision? At least one of these hasn't taught the players much. Can you guess which?

Says who? I am dead against such an idea and so are plenty of others. It's romantic nonsense. What proof do we have that King could be a coach? Absolutely fucking none. Sure, if he goes elsewhere and becomes a top coach then fine we can consider him, but to suggest he should be a coach just because he's been a good player is utterly absurd.

This sentence is made on the basis that I think King would be a good coach, which clearly I don't without some kind of explanation over what factors would make King a great coach right out of the block.

Life is about taking chances and gambles, Beckham might turn out to be the worst coach there has ever been or alternatively his presence would lift the players to new levels, only one way to find out, the most inspirational English player of the last 30 or 40 years being out there on the training ground teaching his stuff is more likely to be a success than a failure IMHO
 

Dare!

Well-Known Member
Jan 20, 2011
2,983
1,888
The Sundance Yid on http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/:

Now its very likely to be nothing but a friend of mine goes out with an Italian sports journalist (I know), and they were both at the Napoli, Inter game on Sunday. He text me this morning to tell me that he got his girlfriend to ask Christian Maggio was he aware of links to Spurs and he said he smiled and said "he can't talk about it". Probably nothing but at the same time might be something.
 
Top