The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 21 June 2011

agrdavidsfan · Jun 21, 2011

hughy said:
The jury's still out on Hernandez? Are you fucking kidding me...?! :lol:

Honestly I'm going to wait untill next year to judge him to see how good he is!

See how many he scores then before I agree he's quality!

hughy · Jun 21, 2011

agrdavidsfan said:
Honestly I'm going to wait untill next year to judge him to see how good he is!

See how many he scores then before I agree he's quality!

If he scores 20 in his first season in England as United's third choice striker I think there's a pretty good chance he'll still be good next year.

agrdavidsfan · Jun 21, 2011

keepthefaith said:
I wouldnt quite agree but I totally understand what you are saying, if you did a youtube video of Defoe's goals over the last three seasons would Rossi look that much better? I think there is always a preference for new players over ones we curently have by all fans at all clubs.

Is adebayor better than Rossi? probably not but Id rather have Adebayor because he is what we need.

Spot on mate!!

I fully agree with what you say about Adebayor he is what we need is what we
Should go for! He's even Sao je wants to come he's staring us in te face waving at us saying HEEEY SIGN ME but were ignoring him!

Mr Pink · Jun 21, 2011

Yes I can definitely see the arguments for having a mobile target man who offers a real goal threat ie Adebayor who would be perfect and he would be my preference and certainly a very safe bet for ticking the boxes in terms of what we need.

However Rossi could be devestating in our line up too. Yes he brings a different sort of threat and thats movement and instinct in abundance. The sort of clever runs our forwards were failing to make time and time again to open up the space for others...not to mention the poor finishing.

We lacked that clever movement up top this season and our play suffered as a result. I see Rossi offering plenty of quality movement, can link well when needed and of course the boy can finish and a lot of the time League games are decided by the one goal.

I would personally being going for Adebayor becuase I think the team dynamic probably benefits more but I wouldn't rule out Rossi making a 'hernandez' type of impact, VDV supporting ala Rooney. Hard work, great movement and intelligence can be a very potent combination up top.

In short I'll be made up with either even though they're very different, but its the calibre of either player that will improve us IMO, no matter the exact sytle of play in the final third - you play to your strengths.

fazza · Jun 21, 2011

Solved, blue and yellow, we are signing a couple of banana's :lol:

VegasII · Jun 21, 2011

We already have 4 of those upfront.

agrdavidsfan · Jun 21, 2011

hughy said:
If he scores 20 in his first season in England as United's third choice striker I think there's a pretty good chance he'll still be good next year.

I honestly didn't think he scored that many! But still there's player that have came into this league and set it on fire in there first season then they fade away like Andy Johnson,Elano, and many more of you get me mate? I'm not saying hernandez is shit but I want him to prove it next year too!

keepthefaith · Jun 21, 2011

Is Hernandez better than Berbatov, I dont think so but Hernandez is what Mancs needed so was more effective.
Exactly the same with us, Is Adebayor better (technically,skill,finishing) than Rossi, I really dont think so but Adebayor is what we need therefore more valuable TO US.

DoublePivot · Jun 21, 2011

Actually, and I'm not kidding, getting rid of VDV and bringing in Adebayor/Berbatov and Rossi would be enough to make us top four. Big ifs obviously. Oh and that would be contingent on health.

mpickard2087 · Jun 21, 2011

agrdavidsfan said:
The jurys still out on Hernandez he seemed to be very lucky this year lets see how he gets on next year!

I'd love benezema too!
There's something about Rossi that's really bothering me and I can just this time next this thread

"Well defoes done well at Sunderland we should have kept him! 28 goals this hes done well"

"FFS 30 mil on rossi another big spurs flop only scored 7 goals why Redknapp bought him to go upfront on his own I don't know"

"remember we were linked with falcao he's done good for Chelsea 38 goals well played should have snapped him up"

"Levys a twat could have brought berba the prems top goalscorer even for Newcastle back for 9 mil but we ended up with that lil Italian midget"

"what were we doing paying out so much for Rossi when he was shit when he was here first time round should have bought SO AND SO instead"

Then 2 years further down the line
The club is pleased to announce that it has came to an agreement with levante for the transfer of Giueseppe Rossi for 4 million pounds we would like to wish our record signing well on his return to la liga an thank him for his services!

That season Rossi scores 25 in la liga which proves he wernt suited to the prem

Mate thats pretty ridiculous, you could 'what if?' every signing ever made. If and when we do bring someone in we just have to trust that Levy/Harry and the scouts have done there homework (they have had long enough!) and identified players that are suitable for what we need.

hughy · Jun 21, 2011

keepthefaith said:
Is Hernandez better than Berbatov, I dont think so but Hernandez is what Mancs needed so was more effective.
Exactly the same with us, Is Adebayor better (technically,skill,finishing) than Rossi, I really dont think so but Adebayor is what we need therefore more valuable TO US.

Difference between Hernandez and Berbatov is that Hernandez can play in a 4-4-2, and wont mind sitting on the bench when United play 4-5-1. Berbatov isn't as good in a 4-4-2, and wont be happy sitting on the bench.

Luka Van der Bale · Jun 21, 2011

agrdavidsfan said:
The jurys still out on Hernandez he seemed to be very lucky this year lets see how he gets on next year!

I'd love benezema too!
There's something about Rossi that's really bothering me and I can just this time next this thread

"Well defoes done well at Sunderland we should have kept him! 28 goals this hes done well"

"FFS 30 mil on rossi another big spurs flop only scored 7 goals why Redknapp bought him to go upfront on his own I don't know"

"remember we were linked with falcao he's done good for Chelsea 38 goals well played should have snapped him up"

"Levys a twat could have brought berba the prems top goalscorer even for Newcastle back for 9 mil but we ended up with that lil Italian midget"

"what were we doing paying out so much for Rossi when he was shit when he was here first time round should have bought SO AND SO instead"

Then 2 years further down the line
The club is pleased to announce that it has came to an agreement with levante for the transfer of Giueseppe Rossi for 4 million pounds we would like to wish our record signing well on his return to la liga an thank him for his services!

That season Rossi scores 25 in la liga which proves he wernt suited to the prem

Well that's just silly. Let's never make a signing again by that logic in case they flop.

Shep · Jun 21, 2011

TEESSIDE1 said:
It was a friendly .... even our strikers score in pre season.

Yeah but Rossi went on in scored in League and Cup games. What's our strikers excuse with a midfield of Lennon, Bale, VDV, Modric and Sandro behind them?

alex3 said:
32 goals in a shit league only barca and madrid are good in that league and in 4 games he didn't to get a goal against theam

Our strikers didn't score against Wigan or West Ham home or away and we are quibbling over someone who didn't score against the best two clubs in the world?

agrdavidsfan said:
The jurys still out on Hernandez he seemed to be very lucky this year lets see how he gets on next year!

Jury's out on Hernandez? But you'd keep Defoe over Rossi? Not sure I understand the logic!

I don't know whether Rossi is the answer and, in the ideal world, he'd be joining with a Berbatov, Adebayor or Drogba to play off but it seems unlikely we'll get two strikers of that calibre. BUT if he brings intelligence, movement and good finishing I don't care. Watching that shower last season, something has got to give.

keepthefaith · Jun 21, 2011

hughy said:
Difference between Hernandez and Berbatov is that Hernandez can play in a 4-4-2, and wont mind sitting on the bench when United play 4-5-1. Berbatov isn't as good in a 4-4-2, and wont be happy sitting on the bench.

100% agree. In our case with our Midfield our best set up is with VDV off a main striker so Adebayor is more effective than Rossi. Otherwise forget VDV altogether and play Adebayor and Rossi in a 442.

agrdavidsfan · Jun 21, 2011

fazza said:
Solved, blue and yellow, we are signing a couple of banana's :lol:

mpickard2087 said:
Mate thats pretty ridiculous, you could 'what if?' every signing ever made. If and when we do bring someone in we just have to trust that Levy/Harry and the scouts have done there homework (they have had long enough!) and identified players that are suitable for what we need.

I know it sounds rather out there but you must have had that feeling when spurs are linked with a player where your gut just says hell no why?!!! Like the Phil Neville one maybe?
That's the feeling I have with Rossi just don't think he's what we née and especially for the price if it was say 14 mil yh go for it! But not 33 unless it's a levy special and he does it all in adds when scores certain amount we simply just can't justify it! I feel like he's going to be a flop the same way I felt when we signed bentley and keane back!

agrdavidsfan · Jun 21, 2011

keepthefaith said:
100% agree. In our case with our Midfield our best set up is with VDV off a main striker so Adebayor is more effective than Rossi. Otherwise forget VDV altogether and play Adebayor and Rossi in a 442.

Correct and that's what I'm trying to say is abebayor is what we need if we want VDV but Rossi ain't going to work on his own up top vs people like shawcross and vidic so it's a waste of 30 mil

faulks · Jun 21, 2011

agrdavidsfan said:
I know it sounds rather out there but you must have had that feeling when spurs are linked with a player where your gut just says hell no why?!!! Like the Phil Neville one maybe?
That's the feeling I have with Rossi just don't think he's what we née and especially for the price if it was say 14 mil yh go for it! But not 33 unless it's a levy special and he does it all in adds when scores certain amount we simply just can't justify it! I feel like he's going to be a flop the same way I felt when we signed bentley and keane back!

14 million won't get you much these days...

DoublePivot · Jun 21, 2011

hughy said:
Difference between Hernandez and Berbatov is that Hernandez can play in a 4-4-2, and wont mind sitting on the bench when United play 4-5-1. Berbatov isn't as good in a 4-4-2, and wont be happy sitting on the bench.

Isn't good in a 4-4-2? WTF? You do realize we played 4-4-2 the entire time he was here, right? And he was so good in it that we got 30 million for him

Luka Van der Bale · Jun 21, 2011

hughy said:
Difference between Hernandez and Berbatov is that Hernandez can play in a 4-4-2, and wont mind sitting on the bench when United play 4-5-1. Berbatov isn't as good in a 4-4-2, and wont be happy sitting on the bench.

Berbatov is generally accepted to be better in a 4-4-2. What formation did we play him in? :duh:

smudger · Jun 21, 2011

agrdavidsfan said:
Spot on mate!!

I fully agree with what you say about Adebayor he is what we need is what we
Should go for! He's even Sao je wants to come he's staring us in te face waving at us saying HEEEY SIGN ME but were ignoring him!

Did you turn german when you wrote that last sentance :razz:

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