The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 21 June 2011

[Mr Pink]

Hudd will be kept, pretty sure about that. Sunderland wont get a knock down price because of the emergence of Sandro if thats what they're thinking.

 

[kdspur]

on one hand signing adebayor might prove a master stroke for one reason.. adebayor knows spurs fans hate him so on that score he knows he will have to put in some serious performances and gets goals to get us onside, couple that with fact he was with our enemy.

but on the other i would question his hunger, desire to really do well with us , his fitness and pace. i dont think his touch is that good and im sure he is not as fast as he once was. he has the height of course but so does crouch! its a big risk by harry to take him on, really is but im not sure on him at all. in games i seen him at madrid even he looked a right donkeyand against barca he was simply woeful. personally for me he is just a bigger defoe!

rossi is a class act, great touch, vision , team player and roy keane once said he was the best finisher he had ever seen and this was time when all great strikers at united in their prime. he wud be immense signing BUT we def would need a focal point traditional number 9 striker around him imo.

dream signings for me wud be benzema and rossi or even cavani. i cant see adebayor been success at all.

 

[Berglad]

If we got Rossi, I think a Berbatov/Vucinic would be a better partner than Adebayor actually...a target man that could drop deep, with good passing, a good first touch, and who can hold the ball up, but also score. Rossi would provide the speed and movement. Basically a return of the Berbs/Keane (with Rossi as a faster Keane) partnership with the benefit of an awesome midfield and good defense.

Adebayor's touch is pretty terrible isn't it? Maybe my memories are colored by his horror-show in the 3-0 two seasons ago. where BAE kept embarassing him.

 

[Mr Pink]

Maybe we're all misguided by the fact he always plays well against us :shrug:

could be an element of truth in that, but at times he looked bloody good for them...away to AC Milan springs to mind a couple of years ago.

I'm sure he had at least one very good season for them, scoring plenty :shrug:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Suarez and Rossi are a different type of player. Rossi is the main forward. We did not reject Suarez because of his height, we rejected him because he is a second striker. Not the position we are looking for. You do not need to be tall to be a lone forward. Hernandez isn't the tallest, nor do Barca have any tall forwards.

They are different types of player in the same way that there are rarely two players the same, but in terms of what they offer a team they are not that different. Suarez has played as the main striker too - in fact even our manager commented on how well he played it, but he has at other times with Ajax and Uruguay. Rossi has also played in the position that Suarez has (outside forward in a type of 433). Suarez also has a prolific goal scoring record.

As I said, there are differences, Rossi has a smidgen more finesse and Suarez a bit more tenacity, but in our side, with the players we have, they'd be occupying similar areas and playing similar tactically.

We supposedly rejected Suarez because Redknapp wanted a hold up player that VDV could play off - and that could lead the line in the style that we play. Rossi is no more this than Suarez. If we were Barca or Arsenal maybe, but we don't play tippy tappy through teams, we play wide and wack balls in form Lennon and Bale, that's when Ekotto and Dawson aren't hoofing the fucking thing.

Both Rossi and Suarez can play up front no problem, but for us, with Redknapp's coaching and tactics, they'd both be wasted.

 

[luka loopy]

Whenever Ive seen Rossi hes played more as a no 10 rather than a striker leading the line, I think thats how Barca would have played him.

How about a barca esque setup, with fluid strikers and attacking wingbacks:

-Walker --- King --- Daws --- Bale-

-----Hudd - Sandro - Modric-----

-----VdV - Adebayor - Rossi-----

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

They are different types of player in the same way that there are rarely two players the same, but in terms of what they offer a team they are not that different. Suarez has played as the main striker too - in fact even our manager commented on how well he played it, but he has at other times with Ajax and Uruguay. Rossi has also played in the position that Suarez has (outside forward in a type of 433). Suarez also has a prolific goal scoring record.

As I said, there are differences, Rossi has a smidgen more finesse and Suarez a bit more tenacity, but in our side, with the players we have, they'd be occupying similar areas and playing similar tactically.

We supposedly rejected Suarez because Redknapp wanted a hold up player that VDV could play off - and that could lead the line in the style that we play. Rossi is no more this than Suarez. If we were Barca or Arsenal maybe, but we don't play tippy tappy through teams, we play wide and wack balls in form Lennon and Bale, that's when Ekotto and Dawson aren't hoofing the fucking thing.

Both Rossi and Suarez can play up front no problem, but for us, with Redknapp's coaching and tactics, they'd both be wasted.

Fair enough :up:

 

[kdspur]

more like a 4-3-3


VDV Sandro Modric
Rossi Adebayor Bale

vdv can do job on righ thand side but wud not play there in midfield in a 4-3-3. thats asking for trouble imo

outfield more like

walker king cahill bale

sandro
parker modric

vdv rossi
benzema


subs from -- lennon thudd pav rose dawson gallas kaboul ekotto corluka

now ur talking!!!

 

[keepthefaith]

Whenever Ive seen Rossi hes played more as a no 10 rather than a striker leading the line, I think thats how Barca would have played him.

How about a barca esque setup, with fluid strikers and attacking wingbacks:

-Walker --- King --- Daws --- Bale-

-----Hudd - Sandro - Modric-----

-----VdV - Adebayor - Rossi-----

This I would love to see

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

If we got Rossi, I think a Berbatov/Vucinic would be a better partner than Adebayor actually...a target man that could drop deep, with good passing, a good first touch, and who can hold the ball up, but also score. Rossi would provide the speed and movement. Basically a return of the Berbs/Keane (with Rossi as a faster Keane) partnership with the benefit of an awesome midfield and good defense.

This would excite me. A lot.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Any offer for Huddlestone over 10m should be gobbled up faster than Gran Canarian lady boy can say sucky sucky. Slow mover and slow brain in fast league, this is a cash cow (double entendre) ripe for slaughter.

 

[DoublePivot]

We really need a Fantasy Formations thread in here. Cut this from 40 to 10 pages

 

[kdspur]

Any offer for Huddlestone over 10m should be gobbled up faster than Gran Canarian lady boy can say sucky sucky. Slow mover and slow brain in fast league, this is a cash cow (double entendre) ripe for slaughter.

thats unreal.. thudd is a fine footballer and one who sees a pass more than almost anyone. he is a very good midfield player. ok he cud be faster and quicker onto things but if liverpool paid 20 mill for henderson thudd is worth at least 40. he has a great shot on him too and although he does not score enough he should be encouraged to do alot more.. anyone who wants thudd out of spurs is bordering on not having a fucking clue about soccer

 

[AngerManagement]

could be an element of truth in that, but at times he looked bloody good for them...away to AC Milan springs to mind a couple of years ago.

I'm sure he had at least one very good season for them, scoring plenty :shrug:

Another interesting point I have found from talking to gooners, this includes the same friend I mentioned earlier, a guy I went to uni with and my brother in law (who is arsenal mad)

And all three of them have been raving about Defoe for some time, they all want him and are convinced he would score 30 plus if he played for them (due to the abundance of chances they create)

Its just funny how fans looking in from the outside can have a completely different take on a player to that which those who see people week in week out have.

And as mentioned earlier maybe (just maybe) we are influenced by seeing Adeboyor constantly performing well against us and this may not be as true a reflection of his general form (with MOTD highlights thrown in) as we hold true.

I'm not saying this is the case, more that it made me stop and think and question my own opinion because before I was dead cet signing Ade was a no brainer and the perfect solution to our problems....now, I'm just questioning that somewhat (not that I am taking this Arsenal fans opinion as gospel....but I will state he is not the bitter type so I trust his assessment to be based on what he saw rather than being a reaction to his leaviing and the whole 80 yard dash celebration thing)

 

[luka loopy]

thats unreal.. thudd is a fine footballer and one who sees a pass more than almost anyone. he is a very good midfield player. ok he cud be faster and quicker onto things but if liverpool paid 20 mill for henderson thudd is worth at least 40. he has a great shot on him too and although he does not score enough he should be encouraged to do alot more.. anyone who wants thudd out of spurs is bordering on not having a fucking clue about soccer

This

 

[chinaman]

Hudd is worth about 15 million at today's prices.

 

[nedley]

Yes I can definitely see the arguments for having a mobile target man who offers a real goal threat ie Adebayor who would be perfect and he would be my preference and certainly a very safe bet for ticking the boxes in terms of what we need.

However Rossi could be devestating in our line up too. Yes he brings a different sort of threat and thats movement and instinct in abundance. The sort of clever runs our forwards were failing to make time and time again to open up the space for others...not to mention the poor finishing.

We lacked that clever movement up top this season and our play suffered as a result. I see Rossi offering plenty of quality movement, can link well when needed and of course the boy can finish and a lot of the time League games are decided by the one goal.

I would personally being going for Adebayor becuase I think the team dynamic probably benefits more but I wouldn't rule out Rossi making a 'hernandez' type of impact, VDV supporting ala Rooney. Hard work, great movement and intelligence can be a very potent combination up top.

In short I'll be made up with either even though they're very different, but its the calibre of either player that will improve us IMO, no matter the exact sytle of play in the final third - you play to your strengths.

Agreed.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Any offer for Huddlestone over 10m should be gobbled up faster than Gran Canarian lady boy can say sucky sucky. Slow mover and slow brain in fast league, this is a cash cow (double entendre) ripe for slaughter.

Don't understand this pov at all. Hudd was a massive part of our 4th placed finish. Absolutely massive. The emergence of Sandro doesn't change his quality.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Another interesting point I have found from talking to gooners, this includes the same friend I mentioned earlier, a guy I went to uni with and my brother in law (who is arsenal mad)

And all three of them have been raving about Defoe for some time, they all want him and are convinced he would score 30 plus if he played for them (due to the abundance of chances they create)

Its just funny how fans looking in from the outside can have a completely different take on a player to that which those who see people week in week out have.

And as mentioned earlier maybe (just maybe) we are influenced by seeing Adeboyor constantly performing well against us and this may not be as true a reflection of his general form (with MOTD highlights thrown in) as we hold true.

I'm not saying this is the case, more that it made me stop and think and question my own opinion because before I was dead cet signing Ade was a no brainer and the perfect solution to our problems....now, I'm just questioning that somewhat (not that I am taking this Arsenal fans opinion as gospel....but I will state he is not the bitter type so I trust his assessment to be based on what he saw rather than being a reaction to his leaviing and the whole 80 yard dash celebration thing)

This is very similar to my thought process.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Any offer for Huddlestone over 10m should be gobbled up faster than Gran Canarian lady boy can say sucky sucky. Slow mover and slow brain in fast league, this is a cash cow (double entendre) ripe for slaughter.

Utter,utter, utter shite. That is all.