This point makes you look a little silly. Positional sense is far more important as a CB than a RB - far far far far far far more important. 1 up? No, thats game over.
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This point makes you look a little silly. Positional sense is far more important as a CB than a RB - far far far far far far more important. 1 up? No, thats game over.
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So that's like in real life where one of our strikers missess a chance, the opposition automatically gets a goal yeah? Oh wait...
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Only this pont?
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again its about opinions. At CB you get more cover and support, at RB you dont. therefore you need to be more aware of you positional sense as you are often isolated at RB or LB.
bar one or two posts the majority criticise me which is i can handle as a big lad, but people fail to defend his failings as i mention.
its obvious people love the guy and i like him as a person but i just do not see him as a starting in the back four. if im honest I think he will be sold.
it is all about opinions but basic football knowledge tells you that positioning is far more important at CB than at full back. Many full backs go forward which naturally brings them out of position - it is a lot more rare that CBs go forward. This is taught from the age of 7 upwards so i am stunned you didnt know that. Most strikers will play through the middle so if a CB is out of position they have a clear run. If a full back is out of position they still have some way to go before creating a clear cut chance/scoring.
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i did the scoring for a bit of a laugh expecting people to put forward good defences of the lad but not many have just petty nit picking at my comments which leads me to belive people cant defend the failing i have pointed out.
thornton spur is likely to be subbed by the missus in a minute to go out for a walk
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i dont disagree with what you say but as kaboul has very poor postional sense in both positions are you now agree ing with me:wink:
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games at CB
Player.......P....W....D....L....Record %....F....A....Gls/game....points....points/game
King.........9.....6.....2....1.......77.78.....19....7.......0.78.........20.........2.2222
Kaboul......14....8....4.....2......71.43.....29....20.....1.43.........28...........2.0
Gallas.......33...12...13...8.......56.06.....51...47......1.42.........49..........1.48
Dawson....32...12...11...9.......54.69.....42...39......1.22..........47.........1.47
Bassong....15....5....4.....6......46.67.....24....27.....1.80.........19...........1.26
http://www.myfootballfacts.com
Not included Hudd, Corluka and Caulker as they only played 1 game each at CB.
Doesn't take into account who they play but not a bad point return when Kaboul has playes
Player.......P....W....D....L....Record %....F....A....Gls/game....points....points/game
King.........9.....6.....2....1.......77.78.....19....7.......0.78.........20.........2.2222
Kaboul......14....8....4.....2......71.43.....29....20.....1.43.........28...........2.0
Gallas.......33...12...13...8.......56.06.....51...47......1.42.........49..........1.48
Dawson....32...12...11...9.......54.69.....42...39......1.22..........47.........1.47
Bassong....15....5....4.....6......46.67.....24....27.....1.80.........19...........1.26
http://www.myfootballfacts.com
Not included Hudd, Corluka and Caulker as they only played 1 game each at CB.
Doesn't take into account who they play but not a bad point return when Kaboul has playes
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You cannot be the decider of who is winning if you are on one side. Of course, you are going to think your opinion is better but you have not given a good reason why Kaboul should be sold! (because there is no reason)
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I agree you have provided a sound argument re postioning and CB over RB which i think you are correct with so no not back tracking but accepting someone has come up with a very good explanation of the need for the CB to have better skills than a Rb for the need to be positonal aware..
BUT as Kaboul has very poor positional sense Im saying that so you agree with me that therefore based on your explanation and= combined with his poor postional awareness do you therefore agree with me that he is not good eniugh. logic dictated you probaly do?
tbh i wouldnt really focus on the points per game stat as much as the goals conceded per game because we may have won 8-7 with Kaboul which wouldnt be good but would look good on his points per game record. The stats would line up the CBs as i see them with King and Dawson as my first pairing and Gallas coming in to replace them when injured etc. It also backs up my point from a previous thread about Bassong - worst points per game and clearly a very poor goals conceded record.
I said I would play him at RB where positional sense is not as important as @ CB. So no i dont agree with you that he is not good enough. I agree he is not good enough @ CB but think he is good enough @ RB.
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Kaboul does not have very poor positional sense. Perhaps at RB where he ventures forward he could be better, but his first position is CB. Give me examples where his positional sense (at CB) have cost us. If you can do that tben it will be Thornton 1-0 Mental. Until then, it's a stalemate.
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I think you are confusing different issues. Kaboul does not have poor positional sense at CB but he can be a little rash at times. This means that he can fall out of position when he has that rush of blood to the head. However, normally he has very good positional sense hence why he wins lots of headers. If he had poor positional sense then he would make far more mistakes then he actually does. Yes, he has a temperament issue at times but that can be rectified.
You may disagree but I think it would be better if you would weigh up his strengths against his weakness. I think you will find that his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.
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Dawson/King partnership is 0.4 goals a game
Dawson/Kaboul and Gallas/King are 1 goal a game
Dawson/Gallas are 1.29 goalsgame
Kaboul/Gallas are 1.56 goals a game
The Dawson gallas partnership has played a lot more games together than any of the others who only played a few games together. Didn't include any that had played 1 game together.
but agree about Bassong, looks the weakest out of the defenders, but we have a strong set of CB's when fit.
Agreed! Reason i prefer King and Dawson compared to King and Gallas is that they are both so different yet compliment each other so well. King and Gallas are both fairly similar where as Dawson is a very old school "no nonsense" type of CB who loves a challenge. As a pairing I think they are great together
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i did the scoring for a bit of a laugh expecting people to put forward good defences of the lad but not many have just petty nit picking at my comments which leads me to belive people cant defend the failing i have pointed out.
thornton spur is likely to be subbed by the missus in a minute to go out for a walk
The following paragraphs will counter your argument about Kaboul with exactly the same amount of facts used to back it up as you have utilised:
I have always rated him and think he is a good footballer with good distribution good reading of the game and very good positional sense.
so can all you kaboul haters please explain why you wouldn't keep him.
yes he is good in the air, yes he scored the winner at the new highbury and yes he has played for france (Gerard Pique playes for Spain!!!) i cannot see anything to sell him. he is a leader of men he is a great tackler he is exactly my cup of tea.
so come on and persuade me of all his faults and why he should be sold to PSG or anywhere else.
SC turns it around and thronton spur loses 3-2, woohoo :dance:
Why should anyone bother to formulate a good defence of him when you haven't bothered to put together a decent atack of him. "i dont think he iz good" is hardly a sound argument.
