The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28 July 2011

talkshowhost86 · Jul 28, 2011

ryantegan said:
I think we can all agree that the transfer policy at this club is a joke. Like Harry said 18 months ago (and nothings changed) we have to move quicker in the Market. Premiums ar put onto values because premium clubs will pay it. It's what divides the clubs in world football. Are we not wanting to be seen as a premium club then?

I'm sure we do want to be seen as a premium club but unlike The top 3 we don't have endless amounts of cash and unlike Arsenal we don't have the ground to create wage revenue.

In January we fucked up. We had the Champions League money and the Champions Leage prestige. We failed to move and it cost us. That much is true and there should have been a few unhappy people at the club because of it.

Now though we don't have the Champions League money or the prestige. We are also further away than we've been for a while on sorting out the stadium. All of this makes me think that we need to be realistic on our transfer targets and the money we are able to spend. Like it or not the club is a business and if we don't run it sensibly the business, and therefore the club will suffer.

None of this means we can't be successful and that we can't sign good players. But it will take time and we have to be realistic.

fazza · Jul 28, 2011

ryantegan said:
I think we can all agree that the transfer policy at this club is a joke. Like Harry said 18 months ago (and nothings changed) we have to move quicker in the Market. Premiums ar put onto values because premium clubs will pay it. It's what divides the clubs in world football. Are we not wanting to be seen as a premium club then?

You sound fed up Ryan.........

StartingPrice · Jul 28, 2011

Benspur said:
I think that the biggest issue is that we know that we are only a few players away from being a very good side and are capable of getting back into the top 4.

With a couple of strikers, Affellay and Diarra we'd be in great shape.

It may be that we'll need to take a hit on some outgoings to provide the money for the fees and wages, as in some ways those players that we are looking to move on are him earners like Keane for example.

:clap::clap::clap:

Clamour_Kid said:
Yes, and I made a promise to StartingPrice that I wouldn't be down until the 1st September. And I wion't, but it is very typical Spurs again and I would not be surprised for the squad to remain as it is and Redknapp come out and say those classic words..."It's hard to improve on the quality we have."

Erm...

NOT UP FRONT IT ISN'T!!

That's it, CK, fight to the last drop of your blood (says SP, to the cannon-fodder, as he locks the bunker door with his three Swedish 'Ho's and vast collection of tinned hamsEek).

In the words of the very wise old Corporal Jones:

DON'T PANIC
DON'T PANIC

Clamour_Kid said:
Just spoke to MadridSpur regarding Mata.

I asked him if he got in touch with him and his reply was:

"Yep... he "can't say". Which means the Arsenal move seems to be on."

Question: If one of Mata's closest friends is a Spurs fan, where did all of the 'stories' that he had never heard from us come from?

talkshowhost86 said:
Yup we're currently very much circling the drain today. Absolutely nothing good is going to happen, we're going to get relegated and frankly we may all as well just go and support Stevenage to save ourselves the pain.

mg:

mg: Goddam CL qualifying, consistently profile raising, sound economic footing, steadily improving, scumbags - I say we get down to WHL now and rid ourselves of this pestilence that is the present administration:evil:

whitelightwhiteheat said:
Let's do it. Stevenage are the business!

We Are Stevenage! Super Stevenage... we are Stevenage from... wherever we play.

Nah. It just don't work!

We are the Artist Formerly known as THFC, the Artist Formerly known as THFC, from roundabouts somewheres or other...We are the Artist Formerly known as THFC...Eek

Paolo10 · Jul 28, 2011

We're all getting fed up as it's clear to pretty much any fan with half a brain that we are only one or two quality players away from a side that could really have a go.

Last year we came so close and with strikers in any vein of form whatsoever we'd be in the CL now and we'd not even be having this fucking discussion, Rossi for the last part of the season could have made the difference for all we know and DL fucked it up with his messing about.

Things need to be made right ASAP and this window is so critical, we all know it's CL again or bust. The time to act is now.

16 days until Everton.

Singaspursofsixspence · Jul 28, 2011

ryantegan said:
I think we can all agree that the transfer policy at this club is a joke. Like Harry said 18 months ago (and nothings changed) we have to move quicker in the Market. Premiums ar put onto values because premium clubs will pay it. It's what divides the clubs in world football. Are we not wanting to be seen as a premium club then?

Hear Hear! :clap:

jimmy-jojo · Jul 28, 2011

I don't think it's that hard to get rid of players. If you don't hold out for the top prices we could shift them easily.

I find it hard to believe that if we let it be known we were willing to let someone like Keane go for £4m we wouldn't have any takers.

Yes, he's on big wages but I'm sure it is common practice to agree some sort of severance package with a player which might make up any shortfall in his earnings by going elsewhere whilst also costing us less money in the long-run.

RuskyM · Jul 28, 2011

stevenurse said:
lets just go all out for llorente

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

Been championing this for a while. Yeah, he'd be expensive but he's EXACTLY the player we need. And he seems to want to come according to previous ITKs and such.

30m and I think they'd accept. Would much rather spend it on him than Rossi.

Sadly, nothing's going to happen for at least another week imo. Wasting time again and we're going to keep falling behind. How about we concentrate less on trying to sell and just buy the players we need?

B0NZ0 · Jul 28, 2011

ryantegan said:
I think we can all agree that the transfer policy at this club is a joke. Like Harry said 18 months ago (and nothings changed) we have to move quicker in the Market. Premiums ar put onto values because premium clubs will pay it. It's what divides the clubs in world football. Are we not wanting to be seen as a premium club then?

I agree in some part, but looking at this from Levy's point of view we have a number of expensive buys we are looking to ship out - Defoe, Keane, Bentley, Hutton and even Crouch, Bassong, Palacious. We have done the scatter gun approach and it's hardly paid dividends.

We are also handicapped by the fact there is an increasing number of Rich playboys spalshing their wonga on anything that moves driving prices through the roof! Remember, our record buy is £16m, now we are talking about breaking £30m for a player that isn't your world class, proven at the hghest level, guarenteed success type.

Personally, we need a strategy of scouting players better i.e. Sandro. Back our scouts and going aggressively for them. If Leandro is worth £12m in our books, we should have the minerals to admit that we mihgt have to pay a premium if the selling club don't want to sell and to move first before the world get wind. Rather then going in low, being lauged out, the world waking up and driving the price up, us going back cap in hand with a 50% increase on price!

False economy.

matjcole · Jul 28, 2011

Inter Milan are keen to bolster their squad further, under new boss Gian Piero Gasperini this summer.
The latest reports have suggested that the former Genoa tactician has reignited the club’s interest in Tottenham Hotspur star Gareth Bale, and is considering his options at this point in time.
Despite Harry Redknapp remaining adamant that his star Welshman is not for sale, Telelombardia has revealed that the Nerazzurri are considering a quartet of players who could be used as potential makeweights, in order to bring down the cash component of the deal.
Bale is valued at around £35 million by Spurs, however with the likes of Diego Milito, Goran Pandev, Maicon and Philippe Coutinho thrown into the deal, that fee would considerably decrease.
Inter are yet to formalize an offer for the winger, but he is viewed by Gasperini as the ideal addition to his squad for the upcoming season.

Would we go for this?

SpursTillIDie1882 · Jul 28, 2011

If that info reagding Levy poncing about last window is true then we truley are a bloody joke!

Viper · Jul 28, 2011

Can anyone confirm that that Levy is going on holiday for two weeks in the next few days? (so say goal.com). Surely not, I'd be fuming if this turned out true with the next few weeks regarding the transfer window set to be vital for the season ahead.

spurslenny · Jul 28, 2011

ryantegan said:
I think we can all agree that the transfer policy at this club is a joke. Like Harry said 18 months ago (and nothings changed) we have to move quicker in the Market. Premiums ar put onto values because premium clubs will pay it. It's what divides the clubs in world football. Are we not wanting to be seen as a premium club then?

Reluctantly, I agree.

The longer this window drags on, the more I believe that the DoF system should be re-introduced.

It wasn't the system that was the problem before, but the personnel (comolli) IMO.
I speak with no great insight or evidence to back my theory, only my gut instinct and the apparent failure of the last 3 transfer windows.

It is my belief that we reached a point where we could have cemented our place in the top 4 if we had capitalised on our status as a CL club last summer. But we didn't.
We still could have salvaged something had increased our striker options in January. But we still didn't.

Now, it is my belief, that if we don't sign 2/3 significant players to maximise the ability of the other top class players in our squad, then we will see (1) possible failure to get a top 4 finish, (2) the inevitable departure of modric, VDV and possibly Bale, (3) those teams already above us pull even further away, and the likes of Villa, Sunderland ect catching us, and (4) who knows how long before we are ever able to challenge for CL place again.

Who knows, Defoe may rediscover some form and bag 15+ goals, and pav and Crouch may contribute more. But if they don't.......

:cry:

Super Tottenham · Jul 28, 2011

matjcole said:
Inter Milan are keen to bolster their squad further, under new boss Gian Piero Gasperini this summer.
The latest reports have suggested that the former Genoa tactician has reignited the club’s interest in Tottenham Hotspur star Gareth Bale, and is considering his options at this point in time.
Despite Harry Redknapp remaining adamant that his star Welshman is not for sale, Telelombardia has revealed that the Nerazzurri are considering a quartet of players who could be used as potential makeweights, in order to bring down the cash component of the deal.
Bale is valued at around £35 million by Spurs, however with the likes of Diego Milito, Goran Pandev, Maicon and Philippe Coutinho thrown into the deal, that fee would considerably decrease.
Inter are yet to formalize an offer for the winger, but he is viewed by Gasperini as the ideal addition to his squad for the upcoming season.

Would we go for this?

Just about 300k a week wages to add to our bill and 4 squad places needed, never going to happen.

Diewhingywenger · Jul 28, 2011

If we don't have the money, maybe we do need to cash in on Modric, get a cheaper younger replacement (just to put a name out there - Eriksen from Ajax) and spend the money on the striker we oh so desperately need. This is getting painful - did we not want to bed in a new striker during pre season?

Spursh · Jul 28, 2011

From T.T.I.D on COYS....

I can exclusively confirm after a private conversation with storts that no one has guessed who it is yet.

Can rule out Pav/Rossie/Kane then I think.

fazza · Jul 28, 2011

Diewhingywenger said:
If we don't have the money, maybe we do need to cash in on Modric, get a cheaper younger replacement (just to put a name out there - Eriksen from Ajax) and spend the money on the striker we oh so desperately need. This is getting painful - did we not want to bed in a new striker during pre season?

Maybe Harry Kane is that striker we are bedding in?

nialsy2005 · Jul 28, 2011

i know this probably isnt the place to have a rant, but i think it needs to be said to try and appease some very frustrated people. Its becoming rather apparent that eventually, (and i personally think this may even be sooner than later) the football cash bubble is going to burst. When this happens, every football club that has lived beyond its means is going to come crashing. And when i say "beyond its means", i basically mean "funded by someone else". As soon as any rich investor sees this, they will get out quicker than you can say "i bought this club as a hobby lolz". Just as they would with any other investment - Stock, share whatever.

Now try to think how much shit your chelseas, citys, malagas, or any other team would be without their "sugar daddy". They'd be utterly ruined. There wouldbe no way they would be able to afford the wages of their team, and have to sell. Not only that, the various loans they have been lent by said investors would be reclaimed, leaving them squadless and pennyless.

Clubs like spurs, arsenal and any other team that spends according to its P&L's will survive. why? because we are self reliant. So whilst i am as frustrated as you that we arent getting in our big name striker, i try to think what the consequence may be if the worst should happen, and we're saddled with a shed load of debt. The future of THFC is by far and away more important than any "oil cash chic" lavish spending, and football in any format will be around lot longer than any money hungry russian or arab. The improtant thing is is that we are still around for the duration.

In my opinion of course

talkshowhost86 · Jul 28, 2011

Diewhingywenger said:
If we don't have the money, maybe we do need to cash in on Modric, get a cheaper younger replacement (just to put a name out there - Eriksen from Ajax) and spend the money on the striker we oh so desperately need. This is getting painful - did we not want to bed in a new striker during pre season?

I think we've got the money but that doesn't mean we should just be throwing at around regardless. For example I don't think Vucinic is worth £20m and would be worried if we just threw that at Roma straight away.

Having said that it is now getting close to the start of the season and Levy needs to be careful that he doesn't end up doing what he did in January, i.e making bids for players far too late.

I'm prepared to defend Levy and Redknapp at this stage but if we don't have a new striker by the end of the window it will have been a genuine failure.

fazza · Jul 28, 2011

Spursh said:
From T.T.I.D on COYS....

I can exclusively confirm after a private conversation with storts that no one has guessed who it is yet.

Can rule out Pav/Rossie/Kane then I think.

Is this referring to Storts cryptic last night?

kdspur · Jul 28, 2011

i think player storts was on about could be abel hernandez

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