Do anti-Defoe brigade now see why Redknapp will not sell him ?

worcestersauce · Dec 1, 2011

Just a reminder that the title of this thread is:
Do anti-Defoe brigade now see why Redknapp will not sell him ?

Should we revisit this?
As I posted yesterday perhaps it's a little premature

Capocrimini · Dec 1, 2011

Defoe yesterday was horrible, people have slated Kane, but honestly he showed more ability in bringing people into the game and chasing anything. I love Defoe never sell him, purely because he can do the shift and shoot better then most in the premiership, problem is that's all he does and is most effective as a impact sub.

As for the Bent debate, there is no question Id rather we have Bent, better goal scorer and makes very intelligent runs.

StartingPrice · Dec 1, 2011

Capocrimini said:
Defoe yesterday was horrible, people have slated Kane, but honestly he showed more ability in bringing people into the game and chasing anything. I love Defoe never sell him, purely because he can do the shift and shoot better then most in the premiership, problem is that's all he does and is most effective as a impact sub.

As for the Bent debate, there is no question Id rather we have Bent, better goal scorer and makes very intelligent runs.

And is, really, best suited in a team playing counter-attcking football, where he leads - is that us?

archiewasking · Dec 1, 2011

The Apprentice said:
Bent's a very good finisher when given chances. There can be asolutely no doubting that.

If I had the option of putting Defoe or Bent in a 1 on 1 situation, there would be only one winner and his name ain't Jermain.

Was always a bit disappointed we let Bent go, he would be a good 3rd striker to rotate with Ade and VdV.

Couldn't agree more. :clap:

Yid-ol · Dec 1, 2011

would bent be a good 3rd choice? would he be happy on the bench? would he still be as good if he didnt play week in week out?

my answers to most of them would be no. But then i cant see Defoe staying happy not playing much, so he may want to go in a season or two.

Black · Dec 1, 2011

Defoe a poor mans bent.

Bent offers so much more than defoe, selling bent and keeping defoe was such a stupid decision. Defoe can count him self a lucky guy harry is the manager if it was anyone else he would not be here.

And what pisses me of the most is that defoe went though the same situation when beragod and keane was here but yet he has not improved one bit he just did not learn, all this going to france for extra training crap when thats not the reason he wont get in the team, hes just not a team player how hard is it for him to understand and adapt.

brasil_spur · Dec 4, 2011

Yesterday showed for me where Defoe's weaknesses are. He should have easily scored 3 or 4 yesterday and although had good reactions for his goal it was a lucky one for him.

He really was off form yesterday in a game where he could never complain about the amount of service he received.

bomberH · Dec 4, 2011

Lots of criticism on this page for our top scorer. Whatever faults he has he's obviously doing well. The harshness of some of the criticism is just pointless. It's like having a pop at Kaboul just because King is awesome, despite the fact we've let in very few goals anyway. And why are people still going on about Bent? Even more pointless shite. We could go on about Bent, Berba, Keane, Archibald and Steven fucking Slade but what's the point?

It's because we're doing too well isn't it? We need something to whinge about don't we, otherwise it just wouldn't be Spurs. He's played a very big part in our brilliant run and that is a fact. Yesterday he scored, got an assist, hit the post, made several good runs to get into good scoring positions and was denied more goals by a couple of great saves, yet he was off form apparently.

tototoner · Dec 4, 2011

Defoe if a good player but he takes about 10 chances to score a goal whereas Rafa takes 2 or 3.

Still think he's a good option from the bench and a starter if Adebayor or Van Der Vaart cannot play so I hope we keep him.

This England stuff is nonsense also, England's problems in past tournaments has been that the players are too tired, if Defoe doesn't start every game and he will not then he'll be fresh for Euro2012

bomberH · Dec 4, 2011

tototoner said:
Defoe if a good player but he takes about 10 chances to score a goal whereas Rafa takes 2 or 3.

Are there stats to back this up? Because I see vdV miss lots. And JD has mainly been sub this season. Not having a pop at vdV, who is obviously a great player, just sticking up for JD.

tototoner · Dec 4, 2011

bomberH said:
Are there stats to back this up? Because I see vdV miss lots. And JD has mainly been sub this season. Not having a pop at vdV, who is obviously a great player, just sticking up for JD.

http://www.eplindex.com/defoe-van-der-vaart/

Defoe to his credit has been doing better this season

Chinaspur · Dec 4, 2011

tototoner said:
http://www.eplindex.com/defoe-van-der-vaart/

Defoe to his credit has been doing better this season

Actually it seems like last season was the anomaly. The season before he converted chances at 21%, and this season he's at 22%. Not massively far off Rafa's 25%.

Also I'm not sure how much I rate chance conversion as a tool to assess a striker. It penalises a striker who gets into loads of good positions, but converts at a lower rate, when to me that's just as good as a striker who gets into less good positions but scores at a higher rate.

I'm keeping track of premier league mins per goal this season. So far for our strikers:

Ade: 141 mins (goal every 1.6 games)
VdV: 126 mins (goal every 1.4 games)
JD: 107 mins (goal every 1.2 games)

JohanTheYid · Dec 4, 2011

For me, yesterday showed why Defoe will never be an elite forward, you just cant miss the chances he missed yesterday. Yes Adebayor misses chances as well but has much more to his game, if Defoe isnt scoring he isnt doing much else ! Its that cuteness of finish that someone like Rossi has. I wouldnt sell him, i think he's the best impact sub in the league, but no more than that.

dynamoSpurs · Dec 4, 2011

JohanTheYid said:
For me, yesterday showed why Defoe will never be an elite forward, you just cant miss the chances he missed yesterday. Yes Adebayor misses chances as well but has much more to his game, if Defoe isnt scoring he isnt doing much else ! Its that cuteness of finish that someone like Rossi has. I wouldnt sell him, i think he's the best impact sub in the league, but no more than that.

So the same should go for Adebayor then eh??

They both missed a couple of sitters, bot tbf, Jussi was sensational in goal and remains one of the best keepers in the prem (has been for some time in my books - why's he's still at Bolton is anyone's guess).

sunnydelight786 · Dec 4, 2011

dynamoSpurs said:
So the same should go for Adebayor then eh??

They both missed a couple of sitters, bot tbf, Jussi was sensational in goal and remains one of the best keepers in the prem (has been for some time in my books - why's he's still at Bolton is anyone's guess).

The finishing from both of them was shocking as all their shots were pretty much straight at Jussi. Defoe gets a hard time as his finishing IS poor in relation to how many chances he gets. NO WAY can he moan about service at our club as he gets chance after chance yet keeps on squandering most of them. It was his poor finishing along with Crouch and Pav that cost us last season and we all don't want a repeat of that. Against the better teams we won't get as many teams hence need to be more clinical, VDV is the most clinical finisher out of the 3 of them and for me brings a lot more to the party than Defoe does or ever will imho.

Chinaspur · Dec 4, 2011

JohanTheYid said:
For me, yesterday showed why Defoe will never be an elite forward, you just cant miss the chances he missed yesterday. Yes Adebayor misses chances as well but has much more to his game, if Defoe isnt scoring he isnt doing much else ! Its that cuteness of finish that someone like Rossi has. I wouldnt sell him, i think he's the best impact sub in the league, but no more than that.

Apart from the assist right? :wink:

dynamoSpurs · Dec 4, 2011

sunnydelight786 said:
The finishing from both of them was shocking as all their shots were pretty much straight at Jussi. Defoe gets a hard time as his finishing IS poor in relation to how many chances he gets. NO WAY can he moan about service at our club as he gets chance after chance yet keeps on squandering most of them. It was his poor finishing along with rouch and Pav that cost us last season and we all don't want a repeat of that. gainst the better teams we won't get as many teams hence need to be more clinical, VDV is the most clinical finisher out of the 3 of them and for me brings a lot more to the party than Defoe does or ever will imho.

Defoe's scored in the last 3 and had a goal disallowed against PAOK.. All of this coming from the bench playing second fiddle to VdV... Now there aren't many strikers you can rely on to come straight back into a team and start scoring.

All that aside, Defoe is for me, one of the best finishers and outright goal scorers in the league and has been for a while. He also showed yesterday, that when he;s not having his best of days in finding the net, he can work hard and assist (and score).

It would be a BIG mistake if we sold him. He's also a great lad from what I can see, and seems as though the rest of the team love him!

worcestersauce · Dec 4, 2011

Chinaspur said:
Apart from the assist right? :wink:

Assist? yesterday? did I miss that?

tttcowan · Dec 4, 2011

JohanTheYid said:
For me, yesterday showed why Defoe will never be an elite forward, you just cant miss the chances he missed yesterday. Yes Adebayor misses chances as well but has much more to his game, if Defoe isnt scoring he isnt doing much else ! Its that cuteness of finish that someone like Rossi has. I wouldnt sell him, i think he's the best impact sub in the league, but no more than that.

Bollox... Just Bollox.

It's well documented how good his finishing is, it's not like he messed up any of the shots yesterday, none were glaring misses and he scored. He was also heavily involved in a lot of the build up play, his pass for Lennons goal was sublime.

Pick your battles, yesterday proved he's to good to sit on the bench and I wouldn't begrudge him leaving in January for more starts.

sunnydelight786 · Dec 4, 2011

dynamoSpurs said:
Defoe's scored in the last 3 and had a goal disallowed against PAOK.. All of this coming from the bench playing second fiddle to VdV... Now there aren't many strikers you can rely on to come straight back into a team and start scoring.

All that aside, Defoe is for me, one of the best finishers and outright goal scorers in the league and has been for a while. He also showed yesterday, that when he;s not having his best of days in finding the net, he can work hard and assist (and score).

It would be a BIG mistake if we sold him. He's also a great lad from what I can see, and seems as though the rest of the team love him!

I did not request for him to be sold, but for VDV to start ahead of him. Far more strings to VDV bow, surely everyone can see that right....?

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