Do anti-Defoe brigade now see why Redknapp will not sell him ?

[sim0n]

I really don't think that is true. Gerd Muller, Pipo Inzaghi, Emilio Butragueno, just a few examples of classic poachers, who weren't at all exceptional outside the area, but came alive in and around the box.

Of course if Defoe had half the class of Muller we wouldn't be talking about whether we could find a place in the team for him, but sadly that isn't so.

Gerd Muller was a Fuqin' Monster in front of goal, but I do not recall too many of them being outside the penalty area...

Bent and Defoe are not "classic" goal poachers. But, Defoe is better than Bent by a mile. For most critics (SC folks an' all) players are only as good as their last game. So, let's see what Defoe does tonight with the B squad against PAOK and let the chips fall where they may. Let's see where he stands in about 3 hours... COYFS!!!!! :clap:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I really don't think that is true. Gerd Muller, Pipo Inzaghi, Emilio Butragueno, just a few examples of classic poachers, who weren't at all exceptional outside the area, but came alive in and around the box.

Of course if Defoe had half the class of Muller we wouldn't be talking about whether we could find a place in the team for him, but sadly that isn't so.

Inzaghi is probably the only player in the history of the game, that is offside more than Defoe :grin:........but, is 5th highest ever scorer in champions league with 46 goals.

Also, Inzaghi is actually cited as an exceptional example of what he calls this "dying breed" in the book.

 

[SpurSince57]

Gerd Muller was a Fuqin' Monster in front of goal, but I do not recall too many of them being outside the penalty area...

Bent and Defoe are not "classic" goal poachers. But, Defoe is better than Bent by a mile. For most critics (SC folks an' all) players are only as good as their last game. So, let's see what Defoe does tonight with the B squad against PAOK and let the chips fall where they may. Let's see where he stands in about 3 hours... COYFS!!!!! :clap:

Really? Bent's more prolific and more clinical.

 

[Beni]

Also, Inzaghi is actually cited as an exceptional example of what he calls this "dying breed" in the book.

It seems it is.
I would rather a complete all round forward as opposed to a poacher anyday of the week. I rate Defoe a lot, and think he has a lot to offer in certain situations, and definately think he is handy to have on the bench.

 

[sim0n]

Really? Bent's more prolific and more clinical.

Take Bent's championship goals out and consider the number of chances he needs to bag one or so, yeah, I think Defoe is better. As frustrating as he can be, Defoe can actually create a chance out of nothing and even win the occasional game. Bent scores one or two goals when the team loses 3-2,... never led a time to victories... Just my opinion and we've all seen these two play a few games for Spurs. Where did any of the teams that Bent led the line go?.... mostly relegated?.... Not really a "clutch" striker...

 

[SpurSince57]

Take Bent's championship goals out and consider the number of chances he needs to bag one or so, yeah, I think Defoe is better. As frustrating as he can be, Defoe can actually create a chance out of nothing and even win the occasional game. Bent scores one or two goals when the team loses 3-2,... never led a time to victories... Just my opinion and we've all seen these two play a few games for Spurs. Where did any of the teams that Bent led the line go?.... mostly relegated?.... Not really a "clutch" striker...

You mean, his 46 goals from 191 shots over the past three seasons? Shall I leave the sums to you?

 

[sim0n]

You mean, his 46 goals from 191 shots over the past three seasons? Shall I leave the sums to you?

stats aren't everything - we agree to disagree. teams that Bent led the line did nothing,... Charlton (relegated), Spurs (at the time floundered), Sunderland (nada), Villa (uh, not really) -- he's not a striker that wins games.

Harry got rid of him, reshaped the strikeforce, and look at Spurs now. I do not see that Spurs were better with Bent and I'm glad they kept Defoe as he is better in my opinion.

stats not withstanding :razz:

 

[ethanedwards]

stats aren't everything - we agree to disagree. teams that Bent led the line did nothing,... Charlton (relegated), Spurs (at the time floundered), Sunderland (nada), Villa (uh, not really) -- he's not a striker that wins games.

Harry got rid of him, reshaped the strikeforce, and look at Spurs now. I do not see that Spurs were better with Bent and I'm glad they kept Defoe as he is better in my opinion.

stats not withstanding :razz:

Strange logic IMO, if he is scoring he's doing his part, can't put all the blame on him for a teams failings.
Good player.

 

[sim0n]

Strange logic IMO, if he is scoring he's doing his part, can't put all the blame on him for a teams failings.
Good player.

Simples - never said Bent was not a good player, I only opined that Defoe is better.... logic not withstanding :razz:

 

[Legend10]

Inzaghi is probably the only player in the history of the game, that is offside more than Defoe :grin:........but, is 5th highest ever scorer in champions league with 46 goals.

And that totally useless world cup winning Barca forward David Villa, he doesn't mind an offside or 2.

 

[Real_madyidd]

You mean, his 46 goals from 191 shots over the past three seasons? Shall I leave the sums to you?

That's not fair! Hardly any of his goals were shots.

 

[Maske2g]

Another classic Defoe performance.... constantly on his heels in the box, culminating in missed balls across the goal, and getting in the way of our own shots twice!!!

 

[danielneeds]

Also, Inzaghi is actually cited as an exceptional example of what he calls this "dying breed" in the book.

It is a good book, Inverting The Pyramid, a very good read, but I don't agree with a lot of Wilson's hypothesis on the future of formations and the game. As a historical analysis it is first class though.

 

[SpurSince57]

stats aren't everything - we agree to disagree. teams that Bent led the line did nothing,... Charlton (relegated), Spurs (at the time floundered), Sunderland (nada), Villa (uh, not really) -- he's not a striker that wins games.

Harry got rid of him, reshaped the strikeforce, and look at Spurs now. I do not see that Spurs were better with Bent and I'm glad they kept Defoe as he is better in my opinion.

stats not withstanding :razz:

Infantile bollocks. You stated that one should consider the number of chances Bent takes to score one goal, presumably because you believed that he needs a lot. He doesn't. You then go crybabying off about stats not being everything, as you would, because they show you don't have the first fucking clue. Defoe's never managed better than one in five, was down to one in eight 2005-2007, and absolutely bombed last season; credit to him for working hard at his strength and fitness over the summer and hitting a good vein of form this season, but to say he's been a more effective finisher than Bent over the past half-dozen seasons is a joke.

 

[The Apprentice]

Bent's a very good finisher when given chances. There can be asolutely no doubting that.

If I had the option of putting Defoe or Bent in a 1 on 1 situation, there would be only one winner and his name ain't Jermain.

Was always a bit disappointed we let Bent go, he would be a good 3rd striker to rotate with Ade and VdV.

 

[3Dnata]

Tonight showed without Ade we've got problems.
Does this Brigade have a mess where they do nice dinners, maybe they've got badges too.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Tonight showed without Ade we've got problems.
Does this Brigade have a mess where they do nice dinners, maybe they've got badges too.

I think we knew that anyway, ref. last season.

 

[ultimateloner]

Defoe's an instinctive goal scorer and sharp shooter. But he doesn't do anything apart from that. Since he only does 2 things (run at players then shoot/shift ball to right then shoot) his contribution depends largely on the opposition. Against quality defenders who gets close and doesn't let him turn, he won't contribute much. I think he needs to develop off-the-ball.

For me he is a great impact sub, the sort of player who has 1 or 2 tricks they hone so well they can consistently do the damage given the right sort of opportunity. A forward-version of Kranjcar.

 

[sweetness]

Defoe's an instinctive goal scorer and sharp shooter. But he doesn't do anything apart from that. Since he only does 2 things (run at players then shoot/shift ball to right then shoot) his contribution depends largely on the opposition. Against quality defenders who gets close and doesn't let him turn, he won't contribute much. I think he needs to develop off-the-ball.

For me he is a great impact sub, the sort of player who has 1 or 2 tricks they hone so well they can consistently do the damage given the right sort of opportunity. A forward-version of Kranjcar.

Defoe isn't fit to lace Kranjcar's boots. The day Defoe is chipping the goalkeeper is the day I die.

 

[stevenqoz]

He is not as good as Gomes, our physio, kit-man at any of their jobs either