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Wirral Spurs
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Just one thing though, who's choice was it not to spend on a competent striker, centre half or winger and to send some decent players out on loan to save money?
Harry's not been the best but DL's risk aversion is also a contributory factor.
Harry's not been the best but DL's risk aversion is also a contributory factor.
stemark44
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One of the very best ITK's on this site.
A guy that called everything right during the Transfer window,stated in another thread that Harry would not listen to his own coaching staff with regards to the set up of the team against Norwich,they did not want to play that way!
spud
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That is very interesting. If we believed that his coaching staff was tactically any better than he is, it would also be quite alarming.
gibbospurs
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If thats true then that is shocking!! Blame lays with harry, Lets hope the players can pull it round on sunday and get a little belief back. Maybe the players have had it with Harry too??
Mr Pink
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So lets get this straight here, the coaching staff were against the tactics Harry used on Monday, yet Harry says that all he's been hearing (wider domain I assume) is how good we are 4-4-2 and intimated that influenced his thinking....despite what his coaching staff are advising and what his own instincts were telling him given our recent run of results/performances which he talked about a matter of days ago.
Does that not jump out and scream at people - what the fuck is going on? Doesn't sound like a united front.
Maybe Harry is warming up for the media picking the England side.
Does that not jump out and scream at people - what the fuck is going on? Doesn't sound like a united front.
Maybe Harry is warming up for the media picking the England side.
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dontcallme
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The sacking him comments are off the mark. There's no upside to sacking him now and we'd look ridiculous for sacking someone who recently had us in 3rd place.
But HR needs to be accountable. He has played the same players every league game where possible. They shouldn't be tired as a different set of players played in our short EL campaign and the FA Cup is hardly taxing.
We had a run of hard games but it's no longer just those games we are dropping points in. We didn't deserve 3 points against Everton, Stoke or Norwich. For a club so close to 3rd place that's really poor.
But HR needs to be accountable. He has played the same players every league game where possible. They shouldn't be tired as a different set of players played in our short EL campaign and the FA Cup is hardly taxing.
We had a run of hard games but it's no longer just those games we are dropping points in. We didn't deserve 3 points against Everton, Stoke or Norwich. For a club so close to 3rd place that's really poor.
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Harry changes his targets at the drop of a hat. It wasn't very long ago that he was desperate to win the title, then it was to be 'the top london club'...now it's fourth....come the end of the season it will be 5th and subsequently declared 'as good as we've ever had it here'. His problem is that he thinks everybody has as short a memory as he does.
Mr Pink
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What annoyed me with his recent comments was when he decided to brand the race for fourth as exciting, its what the fans want he declared. When it really was a painful attempt to deflect from the fact that we are on the verge of collapsing in spectacular fashion.
The implication behind the comments is that we should be delighted with how close the race for fourth is now, its so close and exciting. Yes he has a point at the start of the season we would of gladly settled for it but that's only one context, and it never sits well with me the way he's so selective with his comments and its always about covering his own ass and shifting the blame on to others.
The implication behind the comments is that we should be delighted with how close the race for fourth is now, its so close and exciting. Yes he has a point at the start of the season we would of gladly settled for it but that's only one context, and it never sits well with me the way he's so selective with his comments and its always about covering his own ass and shifting the blame on to others.
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Ok, well when Harry has won 12 league titles, 5 FA cups, 4 League Cups, 10 Charity Shields, 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Cup winners cup, and 1 Club World Cup, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt like United fans give Fergie.
Harry has been a manager longer and won 1 FA cup.
Lighty64
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we are following the same patern for the 2nd year running.
2010-11 January to May - P 19 - W 7 - D 8 - L 4 (4 of those draws were against the bottom 5 teams)
2011-12 January to May - P 15 - W 5 - D 5 - L 5
so im not sure its the England talk or not.
yesterday was so anoying for the 1st time in ages we had Lennon, Bale and Van de Vaart all fit and he went 4-4-2 when the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 had worked so well all 1st half of the season.
2010-11 January to May - P 19 - W 7 - D 8 - L 4 (4 of those draws were against the bottom 5 teams)
2011-12 January to May - P 15 - W 5 - D 5 - L 5
so im not sure its the England talk or not.
yesterday was so anoying for the 1st time in ages we had Lennon, Bale and Van de Vaart all fit and he went 4-4-2 when the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 had worked so well all 1st half of the season.
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No he still has plenty of ideas...there just the wrong ones i'm afraid. I think Harry has a great strength in putting teams together and generally good at putting an arm around his favourite players,but no one can come on these forums and defend his tactical nouse.
I am not calling for his head, but i wouldn't want him here next season, i think our squad has outgrown him, taking a team to the top is easier than staying there, thats where teams get found out, other teams raise their game, they start to park the bus, your basically playing a cup final every week, Harry hasn't got that array of tactical tools to cope, hence he picks teams on the previous performance rather than the oppostion we face.
I will always be grateful for the journey he has taken us, but like he is ambitious and wants to manage England so am i for my club and i think we can do better now.....but hey,thanks Harry.
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Its spectacular how perceptions of Redknapp have changed this last 2 months . We were all so pissed off at the prospect of him leaving for England ..remember ? I don't think he'll make it now . England appointments are notoriously dependent on latest results.
Pardew is now equally well placed for instance .
So from being subject of tug of war , with Levy preparing a fabulous new offer to ward off the world and his dog clamouring for Harry to take the national job... we now have a real prospect of his retirement in May...unless he goes to another job.. at 65 , he'll have a think about that imo .
Last 2 months have been tragic for us....but a complete catastrophe for Harry . An unprecedented and colossal fall from grace .
Anyway whatever happens , he'll be with us til May , calls for sack are OTT .
Pardew is now equally well placed for instance .
So from being subject of tug of war , with Levy preparing a fabulous new offer to ward off the world and his dog clamouring for Harry to take the national job... we now have a real prospect of his retirement in May...unless he goes to another job.. at 65 , he'll have a think about that imo .
Last 2 months have been tragic for us....but a complete catastrophe for Harry . An unprecedented and colossal fall from grace .
Anyway whatever happens , he'll be with us til May , calls for sack are OTT .
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Fuck sake, this is classic SSC (Schizophrenic Spurs Community). This season is not a disaster by any stretch, we're joint 4th and in the semi-finals of the FA Cup, we've a decent run-in and I for one won't be surprised if we get third (I won't be surprised if we slip to 6th either, but that's another story), how many of you would have be jumping if you'd thought we'd be in this position come this stage of the season?
The thing about over all quality is that it doesn't come out evenly, but in spurts over the course of tens of matches. To take an analogy, with my gambling business we have a healthy edge, but it shows up over months and years, in any given month of couple of months we might be hugely over or under-performing in respect of the true quality of our models - this is what's called randomness.
I'm sure there are other non-random factors behind our slump, but the true quality of Harry is shining through again, as it did last season and the season before. It's not quality based on the last few weeks however, but on the course of the season which has seen us in our over-all position. Earlier on, when some were jizzing over him that was ridiculous, now to be calling him shit is just as daft. Harry is an above average PL manager, he's the Scott Parker of the managerial world, he has his strengths and his weaknesses, I think everyone knows what they are, but he's done well for us over all. Last thing, let's wait until the end of the season before we make a judgement.
The thing about over all quality is that it doesn't come out evenly, but in spurts over the course of tens of matches. To take an analogy, with my gambling business we have a healthy edge, but it shows up over months and years, in any given month of couple of months we might be hugely over or under-performing in respect of the true quality of our models - this is what's called randomness.
I'm sure there are other non-random factors behind our slump, but the true quality of Harry is shining through again, as it did last season and the season before. It's not quality based on the last few weeks however, but on the course of the season which has seen us in our over-all position. Earlier on, when some were jizzing over him that was ridiculous, now to be calling him shit is just as daft. Harry is an above average PL manager, he's the Scott Parker of the managerial world, he has his strengths and his weaknesses, I think everyone knows what they are, but he's done well for us over all. Last thing, let's wait until the end of the season before we make a judgement.
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Sorry, I thought this was Spurs Community, home of ridiculous hyperbole?
I thought my post fitted in well.
I think anyone suggesting Redknapp should be sacked, now, should genuinely do one. It's beyond ridiculous.
And, to be honest, my comment (as tongue in cheek as it was) still rings true. Arsenal fans were baying for Wenger to go - they've shut the f**k up now, haven't they?
Take a step back and look at the season. To suggest "anyone" could have achieved the results he has with our team is piffle - Spurs fans should know better than anyone that we've underachieved massively since the early 2000s. It was only Martin Jol who finally got the squad to play to its potential.
So for all the years of underachievement, finally we're actually achieving something under this manager - and you can't call his tenure anything but a success - because to do so otherwise, is to be that blinkered anti-Redknapp guy. And no-one likes that guy, especially me.
By the by, I think Sam Allardyce has got football fans spot on. (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...criticising-team-selection-article886863.html)
Spurs_Bear
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I'm not clouding any fucking issue mate, I couldn't give a flying fuck about England, I'm talking about how it would have been nice for us as fans to have some reassurance. The players are professionals and play under different managers all the time, cant think it would affect them in the slightest.
Does that 'uncloud' things enough?
Spurs_Bear
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This is the best squad that I can remember, definitely.
But you are so unbelievably wide of the mark with the weakest league in 15 years, this league is twice as strong as when we bottled it under Jol and finished 5th. Not even close.
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Stoof, I partly agree and partly do not.
I would never suggest that Redknapp be sacked, now. I have never suggested it before, but I am clinging on to what he has "acheived" here before I make any rash judgements, and I certainly won't be making any judgements until May.
If we finish 4th and win the FA cup, then I think we have acheived what wewanted this season. if we finish 4th and no cup, I will still be happy. If we finish out of the CL and win a cup, I will be made up to win the cup, but I feel that we will have missed out on our targets this season, in essence, underahcieving, and if we finish outside of the CL spots and win nothing then we have most defiantely underachieved.
Liverpool, we never contenders with what they bought, Chelseas are still good, but ageing, The Gypsies lost there two best players, and there bright young thing in Wankshire has been injured all season. We on the other hand have a world class player, who is a delight to watch in Rafa, we have two potentially world class players in Modric and Bale. WE have a very good PL in Lennon, we have the Football writers Player of the Year for last season in Parker, and we have a winner in Gallas. We should be achieving minimum of 4th, and to be quite honest, I still think we will get 4th, but if we don't, serious questions will have to be asked by Daniel Levy, and rightly so.
To be calling for his head now, is simply quite ridiculous.
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