OmarsComing
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Why is Sherwood in caps? Subliminal voting manipulation?
Who do you want as manager?
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AngerManagement
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I'm not so sure about that, there has to be a level of realism in the clubs ability to convince the manager to come to us.
Otherwise you could say Sir Alex is the best that ever did it in the EPL and as such should be our number one target to approach but the fact we have zero chance of actually convincing him to leave Man U and come to us would mean he would not be the number one target I am sure.
The same in my opinion would go for Jose and Pep, I don't see either as viable options so I would make neither the number one target.
I number one choice if available perhaps and I suppose you can argue anyone can be sounded out with a "nothing to lose attitude" but for me anyway the number one target, the guy the club put their efforts in to bring to the club should surely be someone they are more capable of attracting.
balotz
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AVB is now favourite on Betfair, if that means anything...
http://sports.betfair.com/football/market?id=1.105931046
EDIT:
Also odds on at SkyBet
http://sports.betfair.com/football/market?id=1.105931046
EDIT:
Also odds on at SkyBet
I voted for Didier Deschamps.
I have to admit I was surprised that I was the only one who backed him. I think he is a significantly more realistic option that many on that list, and he fulfills virtually every criterion we would have.
He has played in England, Spain, Italy, and France, and has coached in both Italy and France, so he has a continental view of the game. I think this is sorely needed with our transfer dealings, as there are lots of great players in other leagues that fit within our wage and transfer budget structure. We just need a manager who knows where to look. Deschamps is that man.
Deschamps also has the name recognition to attract talent from around the world, and I think his fiery personality would be a big hit with the supporters. He's young enough that he can grow with the club and it isn't as if he is with a European giant in Marseille.
I think Low, Guardiola, and Mourinho would all be sensational, but are not obtainable at the moment.
I like AVB a lot, and was signing his praises long before he came to Chelsea. He has a continental view of the game, is very good tactically, and will be motivated to make Chelsea look like fools.
One name that I think many dismiss too quickly is Capello. Of the managers that we can realistically land, he is the one that I think would keep Wenger awake at night if appointed. We aren't that different from the Roma team he took to a Serie A title, and he has the name to bring in serious talent.
As for Moyes, I sincerely hope he is not appointed. I fear that appointing him or Martinez would signal that the club are entering a phase of austerity with transfer dealings, as they know those two have dealt with limited budgets and would just be happy being at a bigger club.
I have to admit I was surprised that I was the only one who backed him. I think he is a significantly more realistic option that many on that list, and he fulfills virtually every criterion we would have.
He has played in England, Spain, Italy, and France, and has coached in both Italy and France, so he has a continental view of the game. I think this is sorely needed with our transfer dealings, as there are lots of great players in other leagues that fit within our wage and transfer budget structure. We just need a manager who knows where to look. Deschamps is that man.
Deschamps also has the name recognition to attract talent from around the world, and I think his fiery personality would be a big hit with the supporters. He's young enough that he can grow with the club and it isn't as if he is with a European giant in Marseille.
I think Low, Guardiola, and Mourinho would all be sensational, but are not obtainable at the moment.
I like AVB a lot, and was signing his praises long before he came to Chelsea. He has a continental view of the game, is very good tactically, and will be motivated to make Chelsea look like fools.
One name that I think many dismiss too quickly is Capello. Of the managers that we can realistically land, he is the one that I think would keep Wenger awake at night if appointed. We aren't that different from the Roma team he took to a Serie A title, and he has the name to bring in serious talent.
As for Moyes, I sincerely hope he is not appointed. I fear that appointing him or Martinez would signal that the club are entering a phase of austerity with transfer dealings, as they know those two have dealt with limited budgets and would just be happy being at a bigger club.
rabbikeane
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Too late, Lokomotiv Moscow from next season.Slaven Billic ftw
He'll be lucky enough to manage Super Pav, perhaps Corluka as well who's linked these days.
.......(ie. Mourinho or Guardiola) that everyone, ITK's included, are being fed misinformation to throw the media and everyone off the scent.
I mean I can't see Danny and the Board at Tottenham appointing AVB as is now being so widely predicted that the bookies have stopped taking bets on him. As good as his credentials are on paper they saw first hand how disastrous his short lived reign at Stamford Bridge was.
I'm a cynical old git and reading between the lines I reckon we are in for a very big (hopefully nice) shock when our next Manager is appointed. And it ain't gonna be AVB, IMHO!
I mean I can't see Danny and the Board at Tottenham appointing AVB as is now being so widely predicted that the bookies have stopped taking bets on him. As good as his credentials are on paper they saw first hand how disastrous his short lived reign at Stamford Bridge was.
I'm a cynical old git and reading between the lines I reckon we are in for a very big (hopefully nice) shock when our next Manager is appointed. And it ain't gonna be AVB, IMHO!
rez9000
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Who can say?
It would be massive, truly massive, if such a thing happened. It would be a coup of monumental proportions. If it were Mourinho, not Guardiola. I'm just going to go off on a slight tangent here, so please forgive.
I think many people overblow PG's profile. He has managed one, ONE, side. Yes, that side was Barcelona, however, I think that may actually be a negative factor, rather than a positive.
Although experience is only one factor in judging a manager's worth, it is still quite an important one. Barcelona's domination during PG's tenure only shows that he has managed Barcelona very well. But every football club is unique. Just because Guardiola did well at Barcelona does not mean he would do well at Spurs, or Stoke, or Preston. Of course, that doesn't mean he won't, it just means it's very difficult to judge because he has only proven himself in a single environment, whereas Mourinho has shown time and again that he can take a club right to the top.
And for that reason, I wouldn't consider Guardiola as a massive coup, although I think that the media and everyone else will, so I'll have to remain a very silent minority if it did somehow happen.
Regardless, it is rare for bookie's to get it wrong on that huge a scale. If they have closed their books on AVB, then they consider it an unsafe bet to offer on. A bookmaker that takes unnecessary risk is one that goes out of business very, VERY quickly.
It would be massive, truly massive, if such a thing happened. It would be a coup of monumental proportions. If it were Mourinho, not Guardiola. I'm just going to go off on a slight tangent here, so please forgive.
I think many people overblow PG's profile. He has managed one, ONE, side. Yes, that side was Barcelona, however, I think that may actually be a negative factor, rather than a positive.
Although experience is only one factor in judging a manager's worth, it is still quite an important one. Barcelona's domination during PG's tenure only shows that he has managed Barcelona very well. But every football club is unique. Just because Guardiola did well at Barcelona does not mean he would do well at Spurs, or Stoke, or Preston. Of course, that doesn't mean he won't, it just means it's very difficult to judge because he has only proven himself in a single environment, whereas Mourinho has shown time and again that he can take a club right to the top.
And for that reason, I wouldn't consider Guardiola as a massive coup, although I think that the media and everyone else will, so I'll have to remain a very silent minority if it did somehow happen.
Regardless, it is rare for bookie's to get it wrong on that huge a scale. If they have closed their books on AVB, then they consider it an unsafe bet to offer on. A bookmaker that takes unnecessary risk is one that goes out of business very, VERY quickly.
teok
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I'm ignorant of non English football. I know nothing about AVB pre-Chelsea apart from what Wikipedia tells me.
Why do so many want him? I'm not having a go, simply want educating.
While you have probably heard all this before, he tried to make chelsea play a style of football that they didn't have the players for (which we could do with some tinkering). It was entirely the wrong job for him at the time, some one like harry or ancellotti would be far better suited (massaging egos and slowly phasing the old players out.)
He would play a style of football that we would love and while I have no idea how successful it would be (not knowing what our squad will look like) I would take him with open arms.
We have a thing in this country where if a young manager "fails" with one job (even if it wasn't necessarily his fault) he is considered crap, in most other countries they see potential in these guys and allow them mistakes and eventually end up with lots of talent
nailsy
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I can understand the arguement Rez, but Guardiola would still be a massive coup. His success at Barca means he is one of the most respected managers in the game. Players would want to play for him, and the fans would back him. He's no Mourinho yet, but success at his next club would certainly mark him down as one of the best in the world.
By the way - I don't think we'll get him but I would expect Levy to at least contact him to see if he was available.
By the way - I don't think we'll get him but I would expect Levy to at least contact him to see if he was available.
myhartlane
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C'mon, that's no fun!
DEFchenkOE
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Martinez
Yesterday I voted Martinez, but the more I think of it, the more I think that would be a bad idea. Is just surviving relegation 2 seasons in a row really good enough to justify taking over a top 4 club? I like how he speaks but think he still needs to prove himself before getting the respect to warrant a top job like ours, therefore I'm virtually retracting my vote.
As for the other current favourites:
AVB
AVB will have a lot to prove, the big question is does he actually have the ability to prove it?? Ok so he won the title once with Porto but so what?? They've won the title in 8 of the last 10 seasons!! Winning the Europa League was a good achievement but it's not the CL, he should have stayed with them and gained more experience imo. He didn't have the respect of the elder players at Chelsea, will it be the same at Spurs with the seasoned pros like Parker and VdV? I think Levy needs to really look into the reasons why he failed with Chelski before considering appointing him.
Moyes
Difficult to tell with Moyes, would be a safe appointment but not one that feels me with excitement. Has done a good job with Everton on a budget but I just can't say that I'd be excited seeing him unveiled as our new boss, I'd probably prefer HR..there I said it!
Capello
Proven winner, his record at club level is on a different level to anyone else who is in the running, 9 league titles in 2 countries, for me the main issue with Capello is his lack of English. Incredible that with all the time on his hands as an international manager and living in London that his command of the language was so bad. I doubt that it has improved at all since he left the national job.
I really don't know where Levy's going to turn with this, I don't even know who I want let alone who's realistic. I think I would have wanted Rodgers but that ship has well and truly sailed. I'm struggling to think of anyone who has all the right attributes to take over
Yesterday I voted Martinez, but the more I think of it, the more I think that would be a bad idea. Is just surviving relegation 2 seasons in a row really good enough to justify taking over a top 4 club? I like how he speaks but think he still needs to prove himself before getting the respect to warrant a top job like ours, therefore I'm virtually retracting my vote.
As for the other current favourites:
AVB
AVB will have a lot to prove, the big question is does he actually have the ability to prove it?? Ok so he won the title once with Porto but so what?? They've won the title in 8 of the last 10 seasons!! Winning the Europa League was a good achievement but it's not the CL, he should have stayed with them and gained more experience imo. He didn't have the respect of the elder players at Chelsea, will it be the same at Spurs with the seasoned pros like Parker and VdV? I think Levy needs to really look into the reasons why he failed with Chelski before considering appointing him.
Moyes
Difficult to tell with Moyes, would be a safe appointment but not one that feels me with excitement. Has done a good job with Everton on a budget but I just can't say that I'd be excited seeing him unveiled as our new boss, I'd probably prefer HR..there I said it!
Capello
Proven winner, his record at club level is on a different level to anyone else who is in the running, 9 league titles in 2 countries, for me the main issue with Capello is his lack of English. Incredible that with all the time on his hands as an international manager and living in London that his command of the language was so bad. I doubt that it has improved at all since he left the national job.
I really don't know where Levy's going to turn with this, I don't even know who I want let alone who's realistic. I think I would have wanted Rodgers but that ship has well and truly sailed. I'm struggling to think of anyone who has all the right attributes to take over
mil1lion
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We wont get a DOF, afterall it was the DOF who instigated the Ramos era.
Pep would be an absolute dream but i'm convinced he will continue with his 1 year off. Shame really because I think we're the perfect fit for him.
I don't see how anyone could doubt Pep after what he did at Barca. He turned a great group of individuals into a team, not just any team but probably the best team ever! The transformation of Barca after the Rijkaard era was massive.
They do have great players of course, but it's not easy to manage big players and massive egos. He managed it great though. There's also the pressure he was under too. There is no higher pressure job than managing Barca.
Not to mention the youngsters he put faith in. The best example is Busquets, who many had doubts over. Yet he replaced Toure and helped Spain win the World Cup.
He also has a lot of respect in the game too, which makes a big difference with the players. If the players respect the manager and believe in everything he tries to do then they will perform.
On top of all that he is a class act. He always gives opposition credit where it is due. He's basically the complete opposite of Wenger in that respect. He also speaks perfect English.
I may be a little bit in love with him I know
Pep would be an absolute dream but i'm convinced he will continue with his 1 year off. Shame really because I think we're the perfect fit for him.
I don't see how anyone could doubt Pep after what he did at Barca. He turned a great group of individuals into a team, not just any team but probably the best team ever! The transformation of Barca after the Rijkaard era was massive.
They do have great players of course, but it's not easy to manage big players and massive egos. He managed it great though. There's also the pressure he was under too. There is no higher pressure job than managing Barca.
Not to mention the youngsters he put faith in. The best example is Busquets, who many had doubts over. Yet he replaced Toure and helped Spain win the World Cup.
He also has a lot of respect in the game too, which makes a big difference with the players. If the players respect the manager and believe in everything he tries to do then they will perform.
On top of all that he is a class act. He always gives opposition credit where it is due. He's basically the complete opposite of Wenger in that respect. He also speaks perfect English.
I may be a little bit in love with him I know
balotz
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I don't get all the fuss over Guardiola. Frank Rijkaard won La Liga with Barcelona twice in succession, including a CL trophy, and I don't see anyone gushing over him. The whole setup at Barcelona was made for Guardiola - I doubt he's ever even had to lift the players after a poor run, because most weeks they are thrashing far inferior sides. They've never gone into a match as underdogs.
The Spanish league consists of two great teams and 16 (in comparison) pub sides. Whoever manages Barcelona or Madrid only really has to compete against the other. This season, Barcelona finished 9 points behind Madrid. This is with what some called 'the best club side of all time' and 'best in the world' Messi!
Guardiola shouldn't be compared to Mourinho, simply because he hasn't proven himself yet. Mourinho has done it all, and brought success to every club he's been at!
The Spanish league consists of two great teams and 16 (in comparison) pub sides. Whoever manages Barcelona or Madrid only really has to compete against the other. This season, Barcelona finished 9 points behind Madrid. This is with what some called 'the best club side of all time' and 'best in the world' Messi!
Guardiola shouldn't be compared to Mourinho, simply because he hasn't proven himself yet. Mourinho has done it all, and brought success to every club he's been at!
am_yisrael_chai
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Wouldn't read too much into the bookies at this stage they have consistently got the manager stakes wrong in the last few weeks, starting with arry for Ingerlund and more recently Martinez for pool. The issue is that the markets are thin with not much wagered so they get moved dramatically by small pieces of rumour.
Real_madyidd
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I have more concerns over Pep than AVB. Just think it would be a massive cock up, but would be exciting even if it failed.
This is why I love being a Spurs fan, we go through such shit!
This is why I love being a Spurs fan, we go through such shit!
