The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th July 2012

talkshowhost86 · Jul 10, 2012

Danners9 said:
Hulk does have 36 and 21 goals in the last 2 seasons, while Moses has.. er... 2 and 6. Oh.

Not exactly a straight comparison though is it? One is playing at the best team in a very poor league and the other is playing at one of the worst teams in a very strong league. I'm not saying Moses is as good as Hulk, more that he's the sort of player that AVB has used previously. And comparing them in terms of goals for their current clubs is much too simplistic.

tRiKS · Jul 10, 2012

Moses would be a fine player to cover both wide positions.

whitelightwhiteheat · Jul 10, 2012

tRiKS said:
Moses would be a fine player to cover both wide positions.

And if we ever had 10 commandments to carry down from the top of a mountain, we'd have our man for the job...

SpurSince57 · Jul 10, 2012

Ribble said:
French is also one of the official languages of Belgium, so I expect Verty has at least a smattering.

Possibly, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Most Flemings pretend Walloons don't exist, and vice versa.

Danners9 · Jul 10, 2012

talkshowhost86 said:
Not exactly a straight comparison though is it? One is playing at the best team in a very poor league and the other is playing at one of the worst teams in a very strong league. I'm not saying Moses is as good as Hulk, more that he's the sort of player that AVB has used previously. And comparing them in terms of goals for their current clubs is much too simplistic.

Well, it's easy to see why Hulk is mentioned with the sorts of fees he is but it's not too obvious why Moses is a £10m/£50k a week player. That's my point.

If you look back at the posts, someone mentions Moses and then someone else mentions Hulk at Porto. That's why I compare.

Antilokhos · Jul 10, 2012

Spurs_Bear said:
I'd be shocked if Moses was on the list, AVB needs intelligent players to fit his system, Moses isn't that. He's more of a powerhouse.

That's kind of how Hulk plays, and he worked out fine in AVB's system. Could be a cheaper, home grown, alternative. Would obviously still need to develop, but definitely a chance that is the thought process.

Bus-Conductor · Jul 10, 2012

Spurs_Bear said:
I'd be shocked if Moses was on the list, AVB needs intelligent players to fit his system, Moses isn't that. He's more of a powerhouse.

I agree but I wouldn't go as far as "power".

Bus-Conductor · Jul 10, 2012

talkshowhost86 said:
Maybe, but then I'm not sure Hulk is exactly an intelligent player and he fit (fitted? fat?) quite well into AVB's system at Porto.

Now he is a powerhouse. But again, I've never been overly impressed with him. Lacks finesse.

talkshowhost86 · Jul 10, 2012

Danners9 said:
Well, it's easy to see why Hulk is mentioned with the sorts of fees he is but it's not too obvious why Moses is a £10m/£50k a week player. That's my point.

If you look back at the posts, someone mentions Moses and then someone else mentions Hulk at Porto. That's why I compare.

Yeah that was me and I understand why you're comparing them. My point was that I could probably have scored 10+ goals in that Porto team for the last couple of seasons, and I'm not sure Hulk would get more than 6 if he was playing for Wigan. Comparing goal records when they clubs they play for are at such different levels is a dangerous game. It's like saying Spurs should sign Rickie Lambert instead of Adebayor just because he scored more goals.

gazzeh · Jul 10, 2012

Bus-Conductor said:
Now he is a powerhouse. But again, I've never been overly impressed with him. Lacks finesse.

Would still love to sign him. Bale ------- Adebayor -------- Hulk

Danners9 · Jul 10, 2012

talkshowhost86 said:
Yeah that was me and I understand why you're comparing them. My point was that I could probably have scored 10+ goals in that Porto team for the last couple of seasons, and I'm not sure Hulk would get more than 6 if he was playing for Wigan. Comparing goal records when they clubs they play for are at such different levels is a dangerous game. It's like saying Spurs should sign Rickie Lambert instead of Adebayor just because he scored more goals.

you'd be surprised, i've seen people suggesting players like Lambert.

Moses did also set some kind of record, 50 shots without scoring. I'll find it.

Edit: 43 shots.. then scored 6 from his next 51 shots. Prospect, squad filler, but I am not convinced he's worth the fee Wigan would want.

nicdic · Jul 10, 2012

Madrid Spur does now work for Manchester City.

Spurs_Bear · Jul 10, 2012

nicdic said:
Madrid Spur does now work for Manchester City.

Thanks for disagreeing, didn't he used to work for that Spanish Paper?

Danners9 · Jul 10, 2012

Spurs_Bear said:
Thanks for disagreeing, didn't he used to work for that Spanish Paper?

no, was marketing for Vodafone based in Madrid

Mouse! · Jul 10, 2012

Danners9 said:
you'd be surprised, i've seen people suggesting players like Lambert.

Moses did also set some kind of record, 50 shots without scoring. I'll find it.

Edit: 43 shots.. then scored 6 from his next 51 shots. Prospect, squad filler, but I am not convinced he's worth the fee Wigan would want.

He is in the last year of his contract so they can't be too stubborn. I think competing with other teams though is likely to push his price up. Perhaps we can offer them Kane and Townsend on loan for a season which would fill their Moses void.

Danners9 · Jul 10, 2012

S.Mouse! said:
He is in the last year of his contract so they can't be too stubborn. I think competing with other teams though is likely to push his price up. Perhaps we can offer them Kane and Townsend on loan for a season which would fill their Moses void.

or keep Townsend and give him a chance for once.

Hoopspur · Jul 10, 2012

Danners9 said:
you'd be surprised, i've seen people suggesting players like Lambert.

Moses did also set some kind of record, 50 shots without scoring. I'll find it.

Edit: 43 shots.. then scored 6 from his next 51 shots. Prospect, squad filler, but I am not convinced he's worth the fee Wigan would want.

Victor Moses has 1 more year left on his contract. Press say that Chelsea offered £4m, but Wigan turned it down. Gooners are interested too. Don't think he would go for anything like £12m that is being bandied about tbh. Reckon £6.5 - £8m would secure him.

Danners9 · Jul 10, 2012

Yes, i'm aware. But it seems a waste of money.

Bus-Conductor · Jul 10, 2012

gazzeh said:
Would still love to sign him. Bale ------- Adebayor -------- Hulk

Give me:

VDV-------Adebayor------Bale

Any day.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 10, 2012

Moses makes Defoe look like a selfless team player.

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