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Homosexuality is a disease and should not be supported – Mateja Kezman
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SpurSince57
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There's some real joined-up thinking going on here. How is it that in the same family, with the same upbringing, you can have one sibling growing up gay and others straight? This is a thoroughly ignorant viewpoint.
hodsgod
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My brother is gay and it's honestly not a choice. He told me how much he wished when he found out he was straight and still does to a degree to this day.
I believe it's an inherent geneitical 'flaw' and is only 'activated' around the coming of sexual maturity. Also believe the existent genetic 'flaw' can seemingly effect a persons demeanour; leading (sometimes) to feminine traits in young boys and masculine traits in young girls. That's just my own onion on the experience I've had with my own family member and limited knowledge on the subject.
I respect your view and you're clearly not homophobic or likely to 'attack' someone based on their sexuality, so it's all cool. Freedom of thought and speech and all that jazz
I knew a kid that was gay, he was 5 years old. He played with dolls dressing them up etc. he wouldn't play football or out in the street with the rest of us etc. by the time he was 20 he was a true "queen" completely effeminate, the voice etc.
The point is, I don't think you can say it comes out around the age of sexual maturity, everyone is different.
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bigot, bigot, bigot, *****, bigot, *****, *****, bigot, out of date, bigot, ****
Just a quick sum up of the intelligent debate found here
Just a quick sum up of the intelligent debate found here
Rout-Ledge
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Don't go speaking for all Christians. I know plenty, many who go to church every week, who won't tolerate homophobia.
If you think you have divine authority within your holy scripture of choice for your homophobia then you may well be correct. But the simple fact is you'll also be able to glean authority for all manner of ghastly and outdated beliefs and practices. I'm not going to list them here but I'm (just throwing it out there) guessing you don't agree with the notion of stoning women to death? So let's not pretend that it's your duty as a Christian to harbour homophobic beliefs.
You pick and choose which elements of your holy text you wish to adhere to. Your homophobia is down to you and you alone. Don't go hiding behind phony baloney scriptual authority.
Finally, I have close friends (including my own flatmate) who are homosexual. One of whom was beaten up in the street merely for holding hands with their partner. Whilst you yourself are non-violent towards homosexuals, your belief that homosexuality is a 'sin' perpetuates the stigma that perfectly decent, harmless people have to live with. You are culpable.
hodsgod
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Well done for voicing your opinion. It may be unpopular but it's worth hearing. We need to have two sided discussions.
Personally I am old enough to have seen the rise of homosexual acceptance, that's fine by me. In other parts of the world it isn't acceptable, that's their choice. Why should any of us judge the others? It's not that long ago that homosexuality was illegal in UK! Cultures change and adapt at different paces, and that is a good thing.
Rout-Ledge
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As far as I'm concerned anyone with the belief that 'homosexuality is a sin' is homophobic. Clear cut.
HappySpur
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I would warn against the broad stroke generalizations. We could take Norman Tebbit and paint all of Great Britain as homophobic, but it would be ridiculous. The UK falls into almost identical numbers in surveys as the rest of western Europe (excluding Scandanavia with is more tolerant). And they numbers for western Europe are very good.
But if you look at this study http://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/images/downloads/Dec2012/ESSFindingsBooklet.pdf
You will find that while Eastern Europe is behind the west, there numbers aren't so bad that we should be replicating the Tebbit fallacy i presented before. Especially if you look at the numbers for younger generations......those show a really positive trend. And this is no different that how the west acted. Each generation has been more and more accepting of gays. My grandfather would have been horribly homophobic and my son at 10 sees kids with gay parents and our gay friends and will grow up thinking nothing of it. So they are just merely behind us. It's not some cultural thing where they are beyond ever accepting it. In Bulgaria and Slovenia the numbers for the U40 crowd is edging closer to Portugal.
So homophobia is not universal in Eastern Europe. And it's not inherent. It's just a process of time that they are behind Western Europe on. Yes, homophobia is worse there. Russia seems the biggest worry. But it's not devoid of hope and it's unfair to lump the rather significant number of people who have no issues with gays with the nastier elements like Kezman.
But if you look at this study http://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/images/downloads/Dec2012/ESSFindingsBooklet.pdf
You will find that while Eastern Europe is behind the west, there numbers aren't so bad that we should be replicating the Tebbit fallacy i presented before. Especially if you look at the numbers for younger generations......those show a really positive trend. And this is no different that how the west acted. Each generation has been more and more accepting of gays. My grandfather would have been horribly homophobic and my son at 10 sees kids with gay parents and our gay friends and will grow up thinking nothing of it. So they are just merely behind us. It's not some cultural thing where they are beyond ever accepting it. In Bulgaria and Slovenia the numbers for the U40 crowd is edging closer to Portugal.
So homophobia is not universal in Eastern Europe. And it's not inherent. It's just a process of time that they are behind Western Europe on. Yes, homophobia is worse there. Russia seems the biggest worry. But it's not devoid of hope and it's unfair to lump the rather significant number of people who have no issues with gays with the nastier elements like Kezman.
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Unbelievable comments in this day and age.
As an aside, when I was Managing a side here in SA years ago, we had a player who happened to be the smallest guy in the squad. But when one of his team mates got into "trouble" on or off the field, he was the first one in there to back his team mate up. He had no regard to the size of the opponent, he would fly in like a dervish. I had a group of players at that time who were extremely "tight-knit".
He got several red and yellow cards for his actions, but I admired his sense of loyalty.
After one particularly bruising game, he asked me if he could announce something to the team. I of course said go ahead, thinking he was going to announce he was getting engaged or something similar.
He simply said , "Guys, I'm gay and I don't want to lie anymore." Nobody said a word, then the Skipper just shrugged and said "Fair enough, now shall we get ready and go out for a beer?"
He was never treated any differently.
As an aside, when I was Managing a side here in SA years ago, we had a player who happened to be the smallest guy in the squad. But when one of his team mates got into "trouble" on or off the field, he was the first one in there to back his team mate up. He had no regard to the size of the opponent, he would fly in like a dervish. I had a group of players at that time who were extremely "tight-knit".
He got several red and yellow cards for his actions, but I admired his sense of loyalty.
After one particularly bruising game, he asked me if he could announce something to the team. I of course said go ahead, thinking he was going to announce he was getting engaged or something similar.
He simply said , "Guys, I'm gay and I don't want to lie anymore." Nobody said a word, then the Skipper just shrugged and said "Fair enough, now shall we get ready and go out for a beer?"
He was never treated any differently.
The way I see, it's a sexual preference, that you are in the majority of cases born with.
A sexual preference - most like the opposite sex, some like the same sex, some like really old people, some like really young people - a preference you are often born with, sometimes situations can fuck you up to swing into a certain preference.
A sexual preference - most like the opposite sex, some like the same sex, some like really old people, some like really young people - a preference you are often born with, sometimes situations can fuck you up to swing into a certain preference.
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fletch78
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I don't need saving thank you very much. I don't include all christians in this but it really gets my goat when people take it upon themselves to try and 'save' people. Who are they to say that I need saving or that my lifestyle is wrong. Is there life so great and wonderous? if so then why not 'save' everybody? Height of arrogance if you ask me and pretty sure that isn't a very christian trait.
EnfieldYiddo
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That was my point about the gene causing feminine traits in young boys. I just don't think the gene causes sexual attraction before sexual maturity but it can at times alter the conventional 'characteristics' associated with a said persons gender
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The wife and I have 2 gay male friends. We have known each other for over 15 years.
I once asked them, if they were born gay, or if something had happened.
Eddie replied he was born gay, said he always knew he was. Michael told us he was repeatedly sexually assaulted at Boarding School, and that's what HE attributes to "becoming" gay.
Just food for thought.
EnfieldYiddo
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Interesting having two split opinions there.
Whilst I wouldn't want to discredit the second mans theory; it could have been he was sexually assaulted due to displaying more feminine traits and he was unaware of this. Conversely many are in denial when they first realise and actually can almost convince/suppress these feelings for a sustained period.
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Quite possible of course.
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But by trying to save people and turn them to your viewpoint/way of life then there must be a degree of arrogance. You are saying that it is your job to make people hear your gospel and accept it and abandon their way of thinking and follow yours. Is it your plan to save jewish people, muslim people, hindu people too? why is your way the correct way or the only way?
And as for your clumsy analogy if I found out the town was going to blow up I would present them with the concrete scientific evidence to show them that the town was going to blow up and suggest the best thing to do would be to leave the town. After that the choice is theirs.
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You pick and choose what you want to believe from the Old and New Testament. There are certain rules you choose to adhere to, and certain rules you choose to ignore. Try and deny that.
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