AVB Stay or go *now with added poll for your pleasure*

kcmei said:

Jjetset was right all along. Avb is really out of his depth and a fraud

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This, sadly, seems to be true.

I had very high hopes of AVB when he joined and up until yesterday I stuck by him, but I've had enough. I tried to laugh away claims of Bale papering over cracks in AVBs philosophy and coaching last year, but it seems to have been very true.

Archibald&Crooks said:

So it would seem. Now follow that train of thought to its conclusion and you might well soil your panties.

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Nobody? Come on.........

Archibald&Crooks said:

Nobody? Come on.........

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You should be sacked?

jezz said:

Lamela has supplied 5 assists and a goal from the right wing, so that kinda throws your argument out the window

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5 assists means Lamela is king in RW ?Anyone watched him regularly this season would agree that he has been far more effective centrally & at right wing has been near availability. Problem is he needs space to operate and in RW he is regularly denied that. All his assists came as there were clear space in front of him.

I am not writing him off - just saying he is 'at the moment' incapable of beating his man down the RW. More he plays probably more he will improve. Unfortunately, for whatever reason he is not used regularly.

I was fortunate enough to have missed yesterday's tragi-comic act, island-hopping and Christmas shopping. I had it recorded thought to watch when I got in. My comrade had obliged me with the request for radio silence as I, sort of, Likely-Ladded the day. I avoided other people, not easy on a crowded bus and travelling through airports with 24 hour TV updating the world on the passing of a screen and stage star but, with my phone turned off, I avoided the score. I had placed a small clause in my request that morning that my loyal soldier could text me if "we lose 6-0 or something" with the vague clause of "use your own judgement". It was meant as a joke. We couldn't get hammered again, could we? I'd gone bananas after the Citeh circus but I thought it could be our-watershed. Everyone would get together, come clean with their personal gripes, clear the air, vow to avenge the defeat and bring back glory to our club.
I picked up his text just after I'd paused the team sheets on the TV, my jaw swinging a little. Naughton? Capoue (OK he kept Alitidore quiet but Suarez...)? "DO NOT WATCH THAT GAME!” I think he saved my life. I watched it on X30. That was bad enough.
It has been obvious for some time that AVB's tactical acumen is akin of a Fußball manager, in both rigidity and creativity. It yields results against teams we can dominate, which ought to be plenty owing to our collective physique and talent. Yet against teams who take the initiative, we cannot bore them to death with high tempo pressing and possession control. They ruffle us, upset us and cause us to look to our manager for guidance. He just keeps things the same. The occasional (and highly illegal in the upper echelons of Fußball circles) spin of the back four and a few long range blasts from the midfield, hoping it cannons off the back wall and ricochets off the ‘keeper or a swinging defender) but the same formation, the same tactics the same ideas. If it ain't broke, eh?
And so to what now...Well if nothing is sorted by story-time tonight we need to put it to one side and think of Wednesday. We could win this cup and we ought not to lose it due to in-fighting or not backing the team. If the team loses it then fine, give a good round of criticism. But don't let it be down to us. And AVB will know if you're not supporting properly. He has those same powers as Santa.
We could bring in Hiddink to steady the ship for the season and then look to Europe (our set up is too continental for a British coach) and go for Klopp or De Boer or any other name we can pluck out of the sky. It'll be costly though. AVB will want his SWAG and Hiddink doesn't come cheap. Then there's the back room staff to shift and re-employ, and that's before we do it all again next summer by bringing someone else in.
I'm not advocating that AVB stays but I did hear something the other day on The Sunday Supplement. They were discussing Steve Clarke's departure and the idea that Clarke wasn't given time to ride out his "crisis" and that Neil Warnock had said "you can't judge a manager until you've seen him handle a crisis", or something like that. They then talked about Big Sam and how the West Ham fans should trust him because he knows how to get them out the mess he's got them in. He's done it before; he's survived his "crisis". Perhaps AVB should be given time to weather his "crisis". We're not going down, we're two points off fourth and, OK we are playing some of the most boring football since Fußball was Subbuteoed, we can could still have a decent season and, maybe, just maybe, he'll learn something and lead us forward.
Failing that, sack the bugger and see what Peter Shreeves is doing this Christmas.

Archibald&Crooks said:

Nobody? Come on.........

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Come on then let the cat out the bag!

I cant be bothered trying to decipher it after that loss!

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/12/15/internacional/1387143732_803265.html

Tottenham in talks with Frank de Boer and Fabio Capello
André Villas-Boas is on the ropes and, as has been told AS, Tottenham already negotiating with two technicians to replace the Portuguese: De Boer and Capello.

André Villas-Boas is on the ropes and, as has been told AS, the Tottenham already negotiating with two technicians to replace the Portuguese as his dismissal becomes official. Both, however, have jobs. One isFabio Capello , current coach of Russia, who also directed the English team but has never coached in the Premiership. The other is Frank De Boer , who is doing a respectable job in Ajax . Surprisingly, however, the two profiles as different handling of coach Daniel Levy . Bounce or not to Villas-Boas, is difficult to think that the Russian Federation ajacied or access your technicians leave free.

TottenhamMattSpur said:

I honestly think we'd play better with no manager than him.

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Just going to throw a couple of spanners in the work here. Avb has actually got the highest win % of any spurs manager aside from Frank Bretell, and that we have more points than we had at the same time last season...

I don't think AVB will be sacked as long as we are competing for a top 4 place. Xmas is crucial - if we fall out of the race, then he will be gone and we can start preparing for next season.

I don't think anyone who is brought in now will get us playing effective free-flowing football while racking up points. It's best just to stick with AVB and if performances don't improve by the end of the season then make a change.

talkshowhost86 said:

You should be sacked?

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Let the joke gel together first

joelstinton14 said:

Just going to throw a couple of spanners in the work here. Avb has actually got the highest win % of any spurs manager aside from Frank Bretell, and that we have more points than we had at the same time last season...

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We've had more luck than ever this season too.

You seem to rely on shallow stats add much as avb himself.
And for the record I said we'd "play better"

That didn't necessarily mean win more.
We might muster a few shots at goal whilst we're getting savagely mauled.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

I don't think AVB will be sacked as long as we are competing for a top 4 place. Xmas is crucial - if we fall out of the race, then he will be gone and we can start preparing for next season.

I don't think anyone who is brought in now will get us playing effective free-flowing football while racking up points. It's best just to stick with AVB and if performances don't improve by the end of the season then make a change.

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I think thats what will happen.

I honestly don't think there is a leading candidate out there to replace him at the moment, and it's this that will keep him in a job.

I just hope that he can turn it around. I'm sad about the whole situation. I was very happy when he arrived, and wanted him to succeed, I still do.

I don;t like the way that some fans are revelling in this, saying I told you so and things like that. Also a poster a minute ago saying that he would be happy to lose a couple more if it meant that he definately got sacked?? I mean surely thats not a fan talking??

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

I don't think AVB will be sacked as long as we are competing for a top 4 place. Xmas is crucial - if we fall out of the race, then he will be gone and we can start preparing for next season.

I don't think anyone who is brought in now will get us playing effective free-flowing football while racking up points. It's best just to stick with AVB and if performances don't improve by the end of the season then make a change.

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It might not look like it, but we are out of the race.

arunspurs said:

5 assists means Lamela is king in RW ?Anyone watched him regularly this season would agree that he has been far more effective centrally & at right wing has been near availability. Problem is he needs space to operate and in RW he is regularly denied that. All his assists came as there were clear space in front of him.

I am not writing him off - just saying he is 'at the moment' incapable of beating his man down the RW. More he plays probably more he will improve. Unfortunately, for whatever reason he is not used regularly.

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You must have missed the sheriff game then?
He creates the space himself with his movement.
He is the only AM who looks like he might score.
Im yet to see any AM produce anything like he does.
Yet Lennon and Townsend are better what a joke that is.

Frank De Boer has Ajax playing some terrific attacking, free flowing football.. have been pretty unlucky based on what I've seen of them in the CL this season, bear in mind he essentially has kids to work with... and with us pinching their best player two seasons on the trot..

WHEN AVB goes (as I believe this is a formality).. could do a lot worse than looking at him.. although unsure if Levy would take a punt on someone with no Premier League managerial experience again.

Although has done wonders bringing some of those Youth players through over the past few seasons.. may appeal to Levy based on the money he has pumped into the training centre and academy etc..

I was an AVBeliever until today. He has managed to take a squad of quality footballers and made them average. It takes skill to...

1) take a striker that has scored one goal every two games for FIVE YEARS to stop scoring,
2) To take Argentina's most exciting youth player and make him look like a Spurs academy player.
3) To get rid of the brightest jewel of the Spurs Academy and sell him on when we desperately needed CB's
4) to play an average German youth player as a number 10 because the formation is more important than individual capabilities.
5) To change our midfield 5 literally every game
6) To play a high-line when all our fast defenders are injured
7) To expose a makeshift defence as opposed to making a more solid strategy

I think we can categorically say that AVB is way too stubborn to be in top level management. He told us he learnt from his experiences at Chelsea but has again tried to mould a squad into an ill-fitting formation as opposed to building the optimum formation around your squad.

If you refuse to abandon a formation when key players are injured, got sacked because of this and continue to do so, you have nothing more to give.

AVB out, bring back big Martin Jol

If there indeed is a meeting at some point today, what outcome would people want to see.

There's no fence for this one and the fence is exactly where I am at the moment.

If I was to make the choice, regrettably I'd have to let him go. I was a big advocate of AVB and his philosophy. I WANT/ED HIM TO BE A SUCCESS.

I don't buy that the players are shit. He has simply failed to get the best out of the players and there are no signs of improvement. His tactical acumen is something that has really shocked me.

Quick public poll.

Stay or go.

Appoint Del Boy. He who dares Rodney. That's the tottenham way

kcmei said:

I would rather we lose a couple more than to let the inevitable drag on

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I think it's time to let AVB go, however If you'd rather we lost more games then you're a twat.

I was an AVBeliever until today. He has managed to take a squad of quality footballers and made them average. It takes skill to...

1) take a striker that has scored one goal every two games for FIVE YEARS to stop scoring,
2) To take Argentina's most exciting youth player and make him look like a Spurs academy player.
3) To get rid of the brightest jewel of the Spurs Academy and sell him on when we desperately needed CB's
4) to play an average German youth player as a number 10 because the formation is more important than individual capabilities.
5) To change our midfield 5 literally every game
6) To play a high-line when all our fast defenders are injured
7) To expose a makeshift defence as opposed to making a more solid strategy

I think we can categorically say that AVB is way too stubborn to be in top level management. He told us he learnt from his experiences at Chelsea but has again tried to mould a squad into an ill-fitting formation as opposed to building the optimum formation around your squad.

If you refuse to abandon a formation when key players are injured, got sacked because of this and continue to do so, you have nothing more to give.

AVB out, bring back big Martin Jol