What's new

AVB Stay or go *now with added poll for your pleasure*

Should Levy bite the bullet or give more time?

  • Total voters
    141
Status
Not open for further replies.
S

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
31,232
19,263
Come on, with Ramos we had 2 points in 8 games ;-)

Lets get a little perspective here.

We are 5 points off a top 4 spot - thats not unachievable by any stretch of the imagination.

We are still in the League Cup, and the Europa League. With a nice juicy trip to Arsenal for the FA Cup.

Other than a couple of humiliating losses, that position isn't anywhere near as precarious as we were in under Ramos.

I'm not even sure getting rid of AVB is the right thing to do, as it's slim pickings, and we'd basically be saying, we'll have another year trying, rather than competing. But top 4 was always a big ask, bringing in that many un-proven players into the premiership (I mean premiership unproven).

However, it's getting harder to defend.. highline with a make shift defence... I mean thats just common sense, against one of the quickest teams in the league....

Can't really get past that to be honest.

:-(
 
arnoldlayne

arnoldlayne

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2007
1,109
1,174
Some snippets from COYS just now (don't know who Gino is)

Justin, on 15 Dec 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:
Wasn't there ITK the other day that said Lewis and Levy were picking the team?

Gino, on 15 Dec 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:
Yeah, kind of.. although the tune on that has now changed just to 'he can't pick a team to save his life'. It's all very second hand though so.. They (JL, DL) don't like AVB though, that much is clear (and after Ali Z's info elsewhere, even more so). Today pre game I was told they didn't have anyone lined up only for the reason that there was no-one out there.. again, all very second hand, but it comes direct from JL to a work mate of mine. Dunno how close he is to JL mind so who knows what posturing is going on or what's being said really.

Somebody then replied to Justin's post above, saying "no"

In reply:
Gino, on 15 Dec 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:
I'd argue he's right! Calling it ITK is a step too far, imo!

Justin, on 15 Dec 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:
Haha don't sell yourself short ;-). It's better than my mates aunties uncles sisters dog handler said

Gino, on 16 Dec 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:
It's not far off, plus the guy who speaks to Joe knows next to nothing about football, so I'm suspicious he's getting half of it muddled up anyway.. ah well!

​
 
Joeyboey

Joeyboey

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2011
1,806
5,260
JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Despite our loss yesterday and many of the performances we are still competing well in the league.

I still happen to think we will continue to pick up points this season even if the football is not free-flowing. It is hard to make a top managerial appointment at this stage of the season as any desirable manager will already be in a job. I also don't think any care-taker situation will necessarily yield more points than it would keeping AVB in charge.

It's best just to ride it out and reassess the situation at the end of the season.
Click to expand...

I do see your point. I'm not into the knee jerk decisions many clubs make. West Brom for example was a disgrace.

However in this instance I really believe that a change of manager would yield more points and give us better football, even though a managerial change mid season is far from ideal.

Our rigid 4-2-3-1 formation isn't going to change, despite our players quite obviously not being right for the system.

Playing a high line without the players to do so will continue.

We have a lot of 8/10 players playing like 5/10 players.

It's the managers job to play his players in the right positions, adapt a system which suits his squad and get his players to fulfil their potential.

The straw that breaks the camels back is that AVB is clearly too stubborn to change.

To put it simply, my opinion is that AVB isn't doing his job properly and has to go right now.
 
Last edited:
Gassin's finest

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
37,730
88,931
I didn't want Jol out... he went
I thought it was too early for Ramos to be out... he went
I didn't want Harry out... he went
For the first time though, I'm thinking that there's no future with AVB in charge, and that if we leave it too long the season will be irretrievably mid table.

Plus I know a thread got locked for this... but I'm hearing the same rumblings from within the club (I'm not the source) that there's a good chance we'll see an announcement on SSN before long...
 
RuskyM

RuskyM

Well-Known Member
Jul 9, 2011
7,229
23,862
I literally didn't think he'd see the final whistle. Will be stunned if he's still in charge for Wednesday.
 
H

Harry Barber

Well-Known Member
May 6, 2013
513
1,107
FinnYid said:
Worse how? Ok, AVB has had a bit of luck with some results, but generally gameplay couldn't be any worse even if we had no head coach at all. Just someone to appoint starting XI and roles roughly and we would still do better.
Click to expand...
It's not only AVB, but his whole team that would need to go. If the bugger would just ease up on the EL and put all his energy into the League, then we might just come through with some credibility at the end of the season.
 
arnoldlayne

arnoldlayne

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2007
1,109
1,174
Shanks said:
Come on, with Ramos we had 2 points in 8 games ;-)

Lets get a little perspective here.

We are 5 points off a top 4 spot - thats not unachievable by any stretch of the imagination.

We are still in the League Cup, and the Europa League. With a nice juicy trip to Arsenal for the FA Cup.

Other than a couple of humiliating losses, that position isn't anywhere near as precarious as we were in under Ramos.

I'm not even sure getting rid of AVB is the right thing to do, as it's slim pickings, and we'd basically be saying, we'll have another year trying, rather than competing. But top 4 was always a big ask, bringing in that many un-proven players into the premiership (I mean premiership unproven).

However, it's getting harder to defend.. highline with a make shift defence... I mean thats just common sense, against one of the quickest teams in the league....

Can't really get past that to be honest.

:-(
Click to expand...
Much as I dislike Pardew, look at Newcastle over last 3 seasons - hero to zero to hero in successive seasons

I really am not sure that changing manager is the way forward - unless they can get somebody like Klopp, Simeone, Prandelli, de Boer. Even interims look shaky - Sherwood? Freund? Hoddle? Pleat? Capello? Would Hiddink really come here?
 
Beni

Beni

Well-Known Member
Mar 3, 2004
5,437
6,158
If we are going to replace AVB, I just hope that we aren't replacing him with anyone for the sake of it.
We either get the right man, who we think can do the job now, or we stick until that person is available, which is more likely in the summer.
 
AB27

AB27

Active Member
Jun 17, 2012
328
558
Give him more time, but he needs to switch to plan B.

Screw the 4-2-3-1. Let's switch to AVB's 4-3-3 with 3 up front, stop passing the ball around the back, and get forward momentum. Couldn't be any worse than now?
 
talkshowhost86

talkshowhost86

Mod-Moose
Staff
Oct 2, 2004
48,332
47,588
I'm normally all for giving managers more time and have defended AVB quite strongly on here up until now.

But the emphatic nature of our crapness on Sunday, coupled with the fact that the fans were already on his back just makes it look like there's no way back. Even if he won the next couple of games people would still not support him, and it just seems like we've reached that tipping point where there's no going back.

It's a shame because I really thought AVB was going to be our manager for a long time. But we still aren't that far away from top 4, the transfer window is coming up and I'm not sure I now see any benefit in giving him more time.

It'll be a bad bad day for the club if he is sacked as it will be confirmation of another wasted couple of years, but it just looks like there's not much choice anymore.
 
NEVILLEB

NEVILLEB

Well-Known Member
Nov 6, 2006
6,793
6,446
He's supposed to be a top manager but can't see basic flaws that we're picking up.

He's a phoney. Let him go.

Get in someone like Hiddink who has the full package (not like that).
 
sunnydelight786

sunnydelight786

Chief Rocka
Jan 7, 2007
6,075
4,243
talkshowhost86 said:
I'm normally all for giving managers more time and have defended AVB quite strongly on here up until now.

But the emphatic nature of our crapness on Sunday, coupled with the fact that the fans were already on his back just makes it look like there's no way back. Even if he won the next couple of games people would still not support him, and it just seems like we've reached that tipping point where there's no going back.

It's a shame because I really thought AVB was going to be our manager for a long time. But we still aren't that far away from top 4, the transfer window is coming up and I'm not sure I now see any benefit in giving him more time.

It'll be a bad bad day for the club if he is sacked as it will be confirmation of another wasted couple of years, but it just looks like there's not much choice anymore.
Click to expand...
Sacking is the easy part, to replace with is not so. No viable candidate out there lets be honest hence leaving us with a in-house promotion. Does Sherwood float your boat?
 
nedley

nedley

John Duncan's Love Child
Jul 28, 2006
13,992
28,177
Well the poll is quite comprehensive at the moment. Even more than I thought.

I'm waiting for a few favoured and well respected posters to vote.
 
nedley

nedley

John Duncan's Love Child
Jul 28, 2006
13,992
28,177
talkshowhost86 said:
I'm normally all for giving managers more time and have defended AVB quite strongly on here up until now.

But the emphatic nature of our crapness on Sunday, coupled with the fact that the fans were already on his back just makes it look like there's no way back. Even if he won the next couple of games people would still not support him, and it just seems like we've reached that tipping point where there's no going back.

It's a shame because I really thought AVB was going to be our manager for a long time. But we still aren't that far away from top 4, the transfer window is coming up and I'm not sure I now see any benefit in giving him more time.

It'll be a bad bad day for the club if he is sacked as it will be confirmation of another wasted couple of years, but it just looks like there's not much choice anymore.
Click to expand...

That's my worry.

And the reason is that he has shown ZERO flexibility in his approach.

Soldado or Defoe will continue to look isolated, he'll continue to chop and change at will.

If things don't start to click soon I'm afraid it looks as though we are delaying the inevitable.
 
Breezer

Breezer

Position??? Magician!!!!
Aug 27, 2004
4,387
29,887
JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Despite our loss yesterday and many of the performances we are still competing well in the league.

I still happen to think we will continue to pick up points this season even if the football is not free-flowing. It is hard to make a top managerial appointment at this stage of the season as any desirable manager will already be in a job. I also don't think any care-taker situation will necessarily yield more points than it would keeping AVB in charge.

It's best just to ride it out and reassess the situation at the end of the season.
Click to expand...
So carry on playing the High-line with Dawson at the heart of our defence and Soldado on his own up top with no players within 10 meters of him? No thanks! Enough is enough! This con-artist needs to be moved on. I appreciate not all these players are AVB's choice but its no excuse to be playing S*** football! End of the day we have 11 Internationals on the pitch. If we lost 2-1 or even 3-1 to Liverpool but we showed signs of improving, then i'd say maybe we was unlucky. We had ZERO shots on goal and conceding 5 at the other end. WTF is going on!?!?! Every time a team plays long ball it looks like we will concede. It's no different to Sunday League football.

Every football pundit on Sky Sports including ex Spurs players say the same thing:

"Tottenham move the ball too slow"
"No movement"
"Systematic and predictable football"

Yet every game we play the same S**T system.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Majick
Tottenham squad and the homegrown rules – February 2024
Replies
3
Views
1K
Tezza1978
Tezza1978
fishhhandaricecake
  • Poll
Jose vs Conte - who did a better job for us?
7 8 9
Replies
171
Views
13K
glacierSpurs
glacierSpurs
dimiSpur
Are we too obsessed with Arsenal?
2 3 4
Replies
68
Views
6K
ralphs bald spot
R
Top