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Legend10 · Dec 19, 2013

nidge said:
Agreed that we need to look forward but surely our Chairman needs to learn from past mistakes of not backing the Head Coach with the players he wants. It seems to happen with nearly ever manager/head coach we have had in the ENIC era.

I hear you, but it also needs to be considered that we are and have been for a while punching above our financial budget. Levy does control the strings and maybe sometimes he won't go the extra mile for a player that the manager wants. But there's a lot more to factor in than just it's a player that the manager wants. My personal opinion on Moutinho is that he was way overpriced probably in the main due to ownership issues, I don't know but maybe he looked at Moutinho and his overall package and say a Dembele and the overall package and felt Dembele was the more sensible purchase for the overall health of the club, personally I find that to argue with.

However it all works it needs to be recognised that Levy and Enic have kept us in and around the top 4 for a good while despite financial disadvantages!

RickyVilla · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
Ok when I say crock of shit I mean in comparison to man c, arse, chelsea, manu , liver , everton , newc We have an average squad i.e mid table. RickyVilla Name 3 of our players that would get in the liverpool team or even the newcastle team ?

Vertonghen, Sandro, Walker and Lloris. I thought I would add one for good measure.

SpurSince57 · Dec 19, 2013

shelfmonkey said:
A bit OTT there me old china, but I understand how you feel. For me one of the most significant points was when we didn't sign that little shit Suarez, I don't know whose decision it was not to sign him, but he would've been the difference between us being 'top 4 hopefuls' and 'top 4 regulars'!!! Another case of 'missed opportunity', something at which we seem so adept!!

Allegedly, Harry couldn't make up his mind. But I'm pretty sure he said in an interview that he was dead set on Liverpool, in which case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference if Harry had been decisive and Levy had come up with the cash.

alfie103 · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
Ok when I say crock of shit I mean in comparison to man c, arse, chelsea, manu , liver , everton , newc We have an average squad i.e mid table. RickyVilla Name 3 of our players that would get in the liverpool team or even the newcastle team ?

Sandro would get into every team maybe apart from Man City and Chelsea. Vertonghen would get into nearly team apart from Arsenal maybe. Lloris would play in every team apart from Chelsea maybe. Lamela would definitely play for Newcastle, Liverpool and Everton. I am at work so i can't write more but I am sure at least 5 or 6 of our players would be in serious contention get into most top half teams.

Flashspur · Dec 19, 2013

this whining is getting me down........give young Timmy a chance will you. The poor guy has only had a few hours with the team. So what if he plays retro 90's football - at least we didn't get beaten 5-0.

and for all of you whiners......get a grip already

TheSecretNonFootballer · Dec 19, 2013

Flashspur said:
this whining is getting me down........give young Timmy a chance will you. The poor guy has only had a few hours with the team. So what if he plays retro 90's football - at least we didn't get beaten 5-0.

and for all of you whiners......get a grip already

I remember the 90s. They were bad.

Nothing against Tim, this just isn't the time for him.

dagraham · Dec 19, 2013

The OP is being a bit dramatic but if I'm being honest, the moment we let the gooners finish above us again on the last day of the season I've felt that we've missed a golden opportunity that will not come round again for some time.

Football, like life is all about grabbing opportunities and our board have failed imo to show the necessary instinct to grab those opportunities. Despite not having the resources of the top clubs we worked ourselves into the position of being able to join those clubs and we choked. The best time to invest is when your strong and your competitiors are weaker. That's the way you safeguard your position.

Instead, right through from the players, managers and board, we let it slip. But the lead in these matters has to come from the top and Levy and Lewis must shoulder a lot of the blame.

Yes, football is cyclical and it doesn't mean we'll never be near the top ever again but I can see a long wait.

I hope I'm wrong but I fear we have no real plan of action and after maybe a defeat on Sunday the board will panic and if we can't get our main target, we'll just make another wrong move, who will not be able to weave his way through the political bullshit and interence at board level. And rinse and repeat.

CornerPinDreamer · Dec 19, 2013

Flashspur said:
this whining is getting me down........give young Timmy a chance will you. The poor guy has only had a few hours with the team. So what if he plays retro 90's football - at least we didn't get beaten 5-0.

and for all of you whiners......get a grip already

dude, I want TS to succeed or not destroy us. But the one absolute no-no is we can't be calling him Timmy.

Please. I won't be able to hold it togeth...

TIMMY, timm tim timmtim timmaaaaarrrrr

timtim

TIMMAE

SpurSince57 · Dec 19, 2013

Archibald&Crooks said:
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As grim as it looks right now, we could turn it around. Football is full of ups and downs and for every bad day there's a good one just around the corner. We've just been on a long straight that's all. All is not lost yet*

*If Levy gets his next move right.

Things are a sight less grim than they were five years ago, even though we only scored the same number of goals in our first eight games this season as we did then.

nidge · Dec 19, 2013

Legend10 said:
I hear you, but it also needs to be considered that we are and have been for a while punching above our financial budget. Levy does control the strings and maybe sometimes he won't go the extra mile for a player that the manager wants. But there's a lot more to factor in than just it's a player that the manager wants. My personal opinion on Moutinho is that he was way overpriced probably in the main due to ownership issues, I don't know but maybe he looked at Moutinho and his overall package and say a Dembele and the overall package and felt Dembele was the more sensible purchase for the overall health of the club, personally I find that to argue with.

However it all works it needs to be recognised that Levy and Enic have kept us in and around the top 4 for a good while despite financial disadvantages!

This is where a real footballing man needs to be making purchasing decisions within the financial framework that Levy sets out and then he needs to step away and let the people he employs manage the football side of the club. Dembele for all his strengths will never be fit to lace Modric's boots when it comes to dictating the tempo of the game unless it's to slow the play down. So whilst Dembele is the more sensible purchase from a financial point of view from a football one he wasn't the player we needed to fill Modric's place in the team.

The above doesn't mean I think we should have gone and spent money like it was going out of fashion (ala Leeds) but that is where a world class scouting network should be doing it's job, identifying the next up and coming player before they become world beaters.

not_tenth-again · Dec 19, 2013

Chimbo! said:
I think the criticisms of Sherwood are unnecessary. He had less than 48 hours to prepare for that game. You can hardly judge him. Besides we were 1-0 up until the 80th minute so it wasn't like he had a total mare.

More worryingly, our squad is completely ravaged by injury. I mean Paulinho, Vertonghen, Townsend and Kaboul are all out for at least the next few weeks. Then Rose, Eriksen and Adebayor still need to gain match fitness. Not an easy way for any manager to start let alone the circumstances surrounding the club at the moment.

I know what you mean but when the manager plays 442 it should be expected that shit will rain down from a great height.

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

alfie103 said:
Sandro would get into every team maybe apart from Man City and Chelsea. Vertonghen would get into nearly team apart from Arsenal maybe. Lloris would play in every team apart from Chelsea maybe. Lamela would definitely play for Newcastle, Liverpool and Everton. I am at work so i can't write more but I am sure at least 5 or 6 of our players would be in serious contention get into most top half teams.

I am at work and thats the best I could do ... Lamela its in the name he is Lame... a million miles from the likes of Hazard or even Countinho Its not bloody playstation its real football I am talking about the meat and veg of playing on a windy night in Stoke ... they are not up to it. I had a liverpool mate saying to me that he had never see a team like Tottenham to have so many players relinquish the ball so easily as on Sunday. It was schoolboy stuff by excellence and nothing to do with AVB or formations

matty182 · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
Ok when I say crock of shit I mean in comparison to man c, arse, chelsea, manu , liver , everton , newc We have an average squad i.e mid table. RickyVilla Name 3 of our players that would get in the liverpool team or even the newcastle team ?

Newcastle team?? You having a laugh? I'd say getting on for 11 of our team would be first choice for the barcodes

dontcallme · Dec 19, 2013

We have a lower budget than the clubs we're trying to compete with. Even Liverpool. Their wage bill and turnover is much higher than ours and that's despite a poor 3 seasons.

That's not to say it's hopeless but we are dealing with fine margins. We have to get it right almost everytime and we're not.

Chelsea buy Willian, he doesn't play well. Not to worry they have 4 other top quality £20m+ attacking mids to play there.

We sell Berbatov. His replacement needs to be top quality. We got Pav, then Defoe, then Keane then Crouch.

We sell Modric and VDV. We buy Dembele, Sigurdsson and Dempsey.

We have players of supposed potential but if too many aren't fitting in then we are in trouble.

But frankly, I'm sick to death of talking about finishing in the top four. I didn't grow up thinking wow I hope we can finish 4th in the league. I watched games as I literally couldn't wait to watch Gazza do things that simply amazed me. Later it was Ginola.

I want to see real skill and passion again. I want to watch the players playing with a smile on their faces and enjoying playing the sport with a manager who gives them the freedom to use their skill. I want to get excited by the moment rather than being told I should enjoy the 3 months of boredom served up because in the long run we might finish 4th.

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

matty182 said:
Newcastle team?? You having a laugh? I'd say getting on for 11 of our team would be first choice for the barcodes

On their day They are much more of a team that I have seen us play for a very long time. Perhaps that time when Berba played on his his own at Man City its truely ages since we have not relied on Bale, Berba or Modric

dontcallme · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
I am at work and thats the best I could do ... Lamela its in the name he is Lame... a million miles from the likes of Hazard or even Countinho Its not bloody playstation its real football I am talking about the meat and veg of playing on a windy night in Stoke ... they are not up to it. I had a liverpool mate saying to me that he had never see a team like Tottenham to have so many players relinquish the ball so easily as on Sunday. It was schoolboy stuff by excellence and nothing to do with AVB or formations

If Lamela is lame then Hazard is a hazard and Coutinho is a word I'd get banned for.

No doubting we're a mess but many team would love to have Lloris, Vertonghen, a fit Kaboul, Sandro and Lamela.

Kendall · Dec 19, 2013

RickyVilla said:
Vertonghen, Sandro, Walker and Lloris. I thought I would add one for good measure.

Based on Lloris' mishaps this season I'm pretty sure it's only Tottenham fans that would pick him over Mignolet or Krul.

Legend10 · Dec 19, 2013

nidge said:
This is where a real footballing man needs to be making purchasing decisions within the financial framework that Levy sets out and then he needs to step away and let the people he employs manage the football side of the club. Dembele for all his strengths will never be fit to lace Modric's boots when it comes to dictating the tempo of the game unless it's to slow the play down. So whilst Dembele is the more sensible purchase from a financial point of view from a football one he wasn't the player we needed to fill Modric's place in the team.

The above doesn't mean I think we should have gone and spent money like it was going out of fashion (ala Leeds) but that is where a world class scouting network should be doing it's job, identifying the next up and coming player before they become world beaters.

I agree with you and what you've highlighted should be and I hope is Baldini's role.

You're right about the Dembele Modric Assesment, but I do personally think 18 months on we would be saying the same about Moutinho Modric.

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

dontcallme said:
We have a lower budget than the clubs we're trying to compete with. Even Liverpool. Their wage bill and turnover is much higher than ours and that's despite a poor 3 seasons.

That's not to say it's hopeless but we are dealing with fine margins. We have to get it right almost everytime and we're not.

Chelsea buy Willian, he doesn't play well. Not to worry they have 4 other top quality £20m+ attacking mids to play there.

We sell Berbatov. His replacement needs to be top quality. We got Pav, then Defoe, then Keane then Crouch.

We sell Modric and VDV. We buy Dembele, Sigurdsson and Dempsey.

We have players of supposed potential but if too many aren't fitting in then we are in trouble.

But frankly, I'm sick to death of talking about finishing in the top four. I didn't grow up thinking wow I hope we can finish 4th in the league. I watched games as I literally couldn't wait to watch Gazza do things that simply amazed me. Later it was Ginola.

I want to see real skill and passion again. I want to watch the players playing with a smile on their faces and enjoying playing the sport with a manager who gives them the freedom to use their skill. I want to get excited by the moment rather than being told I should enjoy the 3 months of boredom served up because in the long run we might finish 4th.

What ?

1) At the moment we are trying to compete with Everton,Pool and Newcastle We don't have a much smaller budget than them
2) William has been playing well When he gets a chance as opposed to Lamela
3)I agree with Berba comment
4) Potential not good enough in cut-throat premiership
5) Real skill and passion - We don't seem to attact them kind of players with both those attribute at the moment if ever !

not_tenth-again · Dec 19, 2013

robin09 said:
I'm actually in 15th place on Fifa.

Awesome, thats you off the shortlist!

Which means I'm now one step closer to managing the team.

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