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nidge · Dec 19, 2013

sim0n said:
Spurs lost because, after creating numerous chances, they only scored 1 goal... didn't finish their chances, everything hinged on that, end of really...

We only had 4 shots on target yet West Ham had 8 you could say they created better chances and could have beaten us by more.

Real_madyidd · Dec 19, 2013

BorisTM said:
"Few losses", is this how you are going to describe the recent debacle that looked like a freaky Titanic accident?

Well how many losses was it? Do you get more than three points if you score lots?

xtrac · Dec 19, 2013

Blake Griffin said:
makes me laugh how people blame a formation for our woes, talk about clutching at straws. even then the terrible 442 had us 1-0 up and it was only when we changed to everyone's favourite 451/4231/4411/whatever you want to call it that conceded twice and lost.

Abso-fucking-lutely spot on, but the nay sayers dont want to acknowledge that! the first half was alot better than previous.

Its also funny dont ya think that the same people having a real go at us, are the same ones who continue to have digs at H and those before him, thinking there fucking Jose Mouriniho..so there know better than anybody else on this forum, if anything they are worse!!

Oh and TS only took the reigns on monday!

mattstev2000 · Dec 19, 2013

xtrac said:
Abso-fucking-lutely spot on, but the nay sayers dont want to acknowledge that! the first half was alot better than previous.

Its also funny dont ya think that the same people having a real go at us, are the same ones who continue to have digs at H and those before him, thinking there fucking Jose Mouriniho..so there know better than anybody else on this forum, if anything they are worse!!

Oh and TS only took the reigns on monday!

What was better about the first half? Is it honestly just a speed thing? The fact that we were running around quicker? Because outside of that all we got was a lot of stuff we were getting previously, poor crosses, lots of wayward shooting, high possession numbers, precarious defending and a lack of a cutting edge.

If it really was all about the pace you could have solved your problems with our early season games by Sky+ing them and watching them at double speed... In actual fact, I might do that going forward, less pain to endure that way...

tiger666 · Dec 19, 2013

mattstev2000 said:
What was better about the first half? Is it honestly just a speed thing? The fact that we were running around quicker? Because outside of that all we got was a lot of stuff we were getting previously, poor crosses, lots of wayward shooting, high possession numbers, precarious defending and a lack of a cutting edge.

If it really was all about the pace you could have solved your problems with our early season games by Sky+ing them and watching them at double speed... In actual fact, I might do that going forward, less pain to endure that way...

I can't understand why you're getting so pissy about one game. One game with a caretaker that had 2 days in charge.

AVB lost his first game 2-1 if I remember correctly.

mattstev2000 · Dec 19, 2013

tiger666 said:
I can't understand why you're getting so pissy about one game. One game with a caretaker that had 2 days in charge.

AVB lost his first game 2-1 if I remember correctly.

I'm pissy because I don't like seeing us lose. I really don't like seeing us lose to West Ham. I really really don't like seeing us lose to West Ham's reserves and most of all I don't like seeing us knocked out of a cup by West Ham's reserves.

There was no reason for it if we'd played our best players and a more solid setup.

On top of that, sacking the last manager with no plan in place to go forward with another manager has left me disillusioned in general.

Rocksuperstar · Dec 19, 2013

Looking back at the first half, one of the main points that let us down was our play in and around the oppo's box. If we managed to get a shot off then either a) it was woeful, off target mostly, or b) there was a passing option available to a player in space. for b, a lot of that again appeared to be from Townsend, who was running a lot with the ball but around him his team mates were finding space, making runs into dangerous places but he didn't seem to pick up on that and would either have a crack himself or run into a dead end. Ade was also a bit guilty of this on occassion but his fault was not bothering to look at all, just charging in and shooting without even glancing up to see if anyone else was available and open. However, option a makes me wonder; first of all, these guys are professional footballers who should know where the target is and, if unimpeded, test the keeper every time. Second of all, Sir Les has been coaching our strikers for a few years now and, though i'm sad to say it, i haven't seen a great deal of improvement going on. Defoe is the most obvious to pick on as he will almost always slam it straight at the keeper - whether it be great positioning from the keeper or just bad luck, too often do we see him get a great chance only to pop it straight off his laces into a set of gloves. We rarely see him try a cheeky little tap into the net, or a curled little chip, always the laces.

Perhaps we need to change our coaching methods when it comes to striking and playing up in the oppos area, or even consider playing Ade with his back to goal and push someone up to play off of him, arriving late to collect his knock downs. I don't even know anymore but, on a second viewing, it is concerning how few teeth we have when the other team set up to defend deep.

0-Tibsy-0 · Dec 19, 2013

tiger666 said:
I can't understand why you're getting so pissy about one game. One game with a caretaker that had 2 days in charge.

AVB lost his first game 2-1 if I remember correctly.

Because tactically it was fucking shocking. Yes youre right, you cant implement a whole style of play in two days, but you can set up a formation and pick the players. Which he did awfully imo, with the exception of recalling Ade, which I have called for since, well..forever...

xtrac · Dec 19, 2013

mattstev2000 said:
What was better about the first half? Is it honestly just a speed thing? The fact that we were running around quicker? Because outside of that all we got was a lot of stuff we were getting previously, poor crosses, lots of wayward shooting, high possession numbers, precarious defending and a lack of a cutting edge.

If it really was all about the pace you could have solved your problems with our early season games by Sky+ing them and watching them at double speed... In actual fact, I might do that going forward, less pain to endure that way...

See your obviously not a football man, manu if you listened to Phil Brown last night commentating on ssn, they started with a 4-4-2, then went to a 4-2-3-1 to see the game out when they were winning, there is nothing wrong with playing 4-4-2 if the manager can change players or formation when needed...hell there are multiple formations you can play 4-1-4-1, 3-5-2, 4-1-3-2 and so on, the facts are we werre to defensive under AVB, and he was stubborn! i even mentioned sometime ago about fitness, and the constant change of the starting 11, yes rotation is needed, but geez he rotated almost every game!..the lack in identifying we needed a LB, BAE being shut out as with Ade didnt help his cause.

Personally id rather watch the first half last night than the shower of shit ive witnessed over the last 3 months, does that make me any different to the ones who loved AVB and continued to argue his defence, you have your opinion i have mine end of!!

Oh and we have been saying about AVB for 3 months, you are having a pop after a caretaker manager takes his first game after being in the job 3 fucking days, go figure!!

tiger666 · Dec 19, 2013

mattstev2000 said:
I'm pissy because I don't like seeing us lose. I really don't like seeing us lose to West Ham. I really really don't like seeing us lose to West Ham's reserves and most of all I don't like seeing us knocked out of a cup by West Ham's reserves.

There was no reason for it if we'd played our best players and a more solid setup.

On top of that, sacking the last manager with no plan in place to go forward with another manager has left me disillusioned in general.

Yep that's fair enough. But bear in mind he's interim, I very much doubt he'll get the job full-time. The question is, will people, like yourself, that were dead against sacking AVB, give the new permanent manager a chance? Or will you all be calling for his head and carrying on about AVB if he doesn't win his first 10 games?

Because that's an important question. As soon as we lost last night, there were a raft of posters slagging us all off for not giving AVB a chance in a wave of "I told you so" hysteria. Post after post of "I hope you're happy" and "Is this what you wanted" etc. I have a feeling these very same people will be the first to get on the new permanent managers back if things don't start well.

parklane1 · Dec 19, 2013

Nocando said:
Doubt it. There's something very wrong at this club. The fans think they can be whingy and negative all the time and it wont affect anything - They are simply too stupid to realise. The club will get exactly what it deserves and that's another unsuccessful manager that can't get a thing right.

Enjoy what you've created.

And in a couple of years when we have won nothing ( again) the boo boys will start and he will be replaced and we start again.

ITS MADNESS.

SteveH · Dec 19, 2013

parklane1 said:
And in a couple of years when we have won nothing ( again) the boo boys will start and he will be replaced and we start again.

ITS MADNESS.

Or just good old football for those clubs without rich patrons.

Chelsea and City fans moan a lot less I've noticed!

mattstev2000 · Dec 19, 2013

tiger666 said:
Yep that's fair enough. But bear in mind he's interim, I very much doubt he'll get the job full-time. The question is, will people, like yourself, that were dead against sacking AVB, give the new permanent manager a chance? Or will you all be calling for his head and carrying on about AVB if he doesn't win his first 10 games?

I liked AVB and I think he was doing a good job but from my point of view he's gone now so he's a bit irrelevant going forward. If we employ a permanent full time manager with experience (i.e. not one of the existing behind the scenes staff) I'll be right behind him.

Personally I'm not really sure who on the list is going to come to us or who fits best with our philosophy (if we even have one anymore), but any of them that get the job will get my full backing.

parklane1 · Dec 19, 2013

SteveH said:
Or just good old football for those clubs without rich patrons.

Chelsea and City fans moan a lot less I've noticed!

Sorry mate i do not understand your point.

0-Tibsy-0 · Dec 19, 2013

tiger666 said:
Yep that's fair enough. But bear in mind he's interim, I very much doubt he'll get the job full-time. The question is, will people, like yourself, that were dead against sacking AVB, give the new permanent manager a chance? Or will you all be calling for his head and carrying on about AVB if he doesn't win his first 10 games?

Because that's an important question. As soon as we lost last night, there were a raft of posters slagging us all off for not giving AVB a chance in a wave of "I told you so" hysteria. Post after post of "I hope you're happy" and "Is this what you wanted" etc. I have a feeling these very same people will be the first to get on the new permanent managers back if things don't start well.

Nope, I imagine the ones wanting to give AVB time will still be saying that we should have given him time, but are the level headed ones who will also want to give a new manager time as we want t to build something! Its the knee jerk fans calling for AVB to sacked straightaway that will be the same problem going forward.

tiger666 · Dec 19, 2013

0-Tibsy-0 said:
Nope, I imagine the ones wanting to give AVB time will still be saying that we should have given him time, but are the level headed ones who will also want to give a new manager time as we want t to build something! Its the knee jerk fans calling for AVB to sacked straightaway that will be the same problem going forward.

Well, time will tell (y)

0-Tibsy-0 · Dec 19, 2013

tiger666 said:
Well, time will tell

Given the current predicament, sacking a manager that had long term plans and the players on his side without a replacement, it does definitely lend itself to saying we should have stuck with AVB though. Though many may not have liked the rudder we had with AVB, at least it was one, now w'ere rudderless.

SteveH · Dec 19, 2013

parklane1 said:
Sorry mate i do not understand your point.

Fans don't moan as much when they are winning/challenging for honors. It helps to have pots of money.

Its always bad when you have to explain your reply

Nocando · Dec 19, 2013

SpursManChris said:
No I was being serious. You said "The club will get exactly what it deserves" which didn't sound too 'supporterish' and then said "enjoy what you've created" which gives the impression of an outsider addressing others. Plus there is a Red's fan on here who seems strangely obsessed with us. I thought you might have been him or someone else, I wasn't having a dig!

Sorry mate my mistake.

Josiebyar · Dec 19, 2013

Actonspur_FromCOYS said:
Avb lost 3-0 in this fixture.

What in gods name are you talking about opie?

uuuuuuh....West Ham had a full strength 11 on this fixture....

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