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  • Lloris

    Votes: 36 7.7%
  • Walker

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • Dawson

    Votes: 17 3.6%
  • Chiriches

    Votes: 106 22.7%
  • Rose

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 87 18.6%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Erikson

    Votes: 93 19.9%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 106 22.7%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 11 2.4%

  • Total voters
    467

nssmuckers

Active Member
Jul 2, 2013
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Regarding Etienne and Nabil:

This is the second time that Capoue really struggled early in a big away match. It was very similar at the Emirates with him; he could barely complete a simple pass for the first 20 minutes . Looked very nervy under their early pressure.

That said, I thought he did a very good job restricting space in the center of the pitch. He didn't do anything that's going to show up on a stat sheet, but I was watching him specifically for a while and he was chained to Rooney, not letting him do much in advanced positions. United dominated the ball but they never really penetrated straight through the middle--almost every good situation they created from open play originated down their right. Rooney kept dropping deep and spraying it wide, which I'd much prefer to him getting on the ball near the edge of the box.

I think the timing of the Bentaleb substitution was potentially interesting, and I wonder if it was a specific response to the double change United made. United dropped Rooney into central midfield in the 61st minute, and almost immediately afterwards we dropped Capoue for Bentaleb.

It was probably as simple as Etienne being gassed and us just needing fresh legs, but I kind of want to believe it was a tactical response to no longer really needing to account for Rooney in advanced positions. Bentaleb is tidier and safer with his passing than Capoue (at least today) so maybe we wanted someone on to get on the ball, give us a few little spells of possession to relieve the pressure a bit.

Indeed Bentaleb averaged almost 3 passes per minute, whereas Capoue had averaged about 2. Of course this could be because United no longer had a numbers advantage in midfield, but Bentaleb also completed 90% of his passes to Etiennes shocking 58%.

Possibly over-analyzing but I do think there might be tactical rationale for it.
 
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yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
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Rose was shocking but seemed to do better as the game went on. Some bonehead, shocking moments where he did a Chirices and Benny and took years to look for someone to pass it to at the half way line and let Valencia take it away. But he sure as hell wasnt absolute shit like Naughton was against Liverpool. I'd give him a 6 today.

Vlad and Dawson were solid today. Both had their best games in quite a while.

Ade was great once again.

Soldado was great . Creative, superb passing. Great job by him today. Anyone who says otherwise needs to stop judging strikers based on goals and needs to look at his overall game. He's creative, great vision with his passes, holds up the ball, nice touches, and doesnt go offsides. 10 times better than Englands most natural finisher.

United HATES Lennon and I love it. Guy gives them FITS and did it again today. Played great. Needs to work on his shot taking though.
 

XSuicideBunnyX

FM Champion 2015
Aug 3, 2013
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Are you being serious? Did you watch the game? What are you trying to argue here? Rose in fact had a good game? Again, did you watch the game?

I watched the game, and I thought that Rose kept Valencia extremely quiet during the first half. However, during the second half, he got done silly over and over by Januzaj. This was a performance like one of his pre-season ones which isn't good enough.
 

JimmyG2

SC Supporter
Dec 7, 2006
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Just believe and you can fly. Bold approach paid off handsomely. 10/12 points.
Might have to make a grovelling apology if this continues. Levy's cunning plan unfolds.

Lloris........7+..Poor judgement for the goal. Match winning saves at the end.
Walker......7....Solid and controlled. I can't believe I just typed that.
Dawson....7...Three decent games in a row. Bit hit and miss but mainly hit.
Chiriches....8...That's more like it. A bit hair raising like Daws at times but in different ways.
Rose..........5...Tough afternoon but he stuck at it and just about coped (ish).
Capoue......6+.Careless with the ball at first but decent overall.
Dembele.....5+.Hardly touched the ball in the first half. Good job we didn't need him today.
Lennon.......8....Fizzing again, getting more confident by the game. If he stays fit........
Eriksen.......8+..My MOM, a goal and an assist and some clever touches.
Soldado......7+. Involved in both goals and his own will come. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Adebayor....8+..Control and work rate excellent and he had plenty to do on Eriksen's cross.

Bentaleb.......7....Did the job required.
Kane.............7...Pleased to see him return. Might save us £25 million or so in the transfer window
Chadli............6+..One nice run, strong. Reliable sub.

Tim...............8.... For boldness and belief and giving the boys belief especially the youngsters.
 

C0YS

Just another member
Jul 9, 2007
12,780
13,817
Cause we just won at Old Trafford and your highest rating is 7.5.

In my view 7.5 is a very high rating. I think we were really good today and not a single player got a bad rating.

Use this as a rough guide when measuring my ratings.

6 = par
6.5 =good game
7 = very good game
7.5 = motm standard performance
8 = Clear standout performance
8.5 = so good it will become one of those performances that gets talked about a lot
9 = once in a lifetime performance
9.5 = close to perfect, god like performance
10 = perfect, has never been reached but used as a measuring stick
 

Lufti

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2013
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In my view 7.5 is a very high rating. I think we were really good today and not a single player got a bad rating.

Use this as a rough guide when measuring my ratings.

6 = par
6.5 =good game
7 = very good game
7.5 = motm standard performance
8 = so good you'll be talking about it for weeks
8.5 = so good it will become one of those performances that becomes part of football folklaw
9 = once in a lifetime performance
9.5 = close to perfect, god like performance
10 = perfect, has never been reached but used as a measuring stick

Fair enough, but most people's rating system is a bit less strict than that!
 

C0YS

Just another member
Jul 9, 2007
12,780
13,817
Fair enough, but most people's rating system is a bit less strict than that!
Ratings are only useful as a comparative tool but it annoys me when you see ratings go regularly to the extremities in either direction as when measuring the rare cases where a performance for some reason truly does stand out from the rest the rating is too devalued to properly convey such things.

Anyway if you think I'm strict you should read italian newspaper ratings. Normally the motm rating is about 6.5!
 

SteveH

BSoDL candidate for SW London
Jul 21, 2003
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Worked thier collective nuts off.

Ade, what the fuck was AVB playing at. "8.5 = so good it will become one of those performances that becomes part of football folklaw" borrowed from above.
 

Lufti

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2013
7,994
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I think most of us use the Football Manager rating system were a 7 is good/solid performance. At least I do. :p

Yeah I do too but don't you think FM would have Chiriches closer to a 9 than a 7.5?
 

THFCSPURS19

The Speaker of the Transfer Rumours Forum
Jan 6, 2013
37,901
130,569
In my view 7.5 is a very high rating. I think we were really good today and not a single player got a bad rating.

Use this as a rough guide when measuring my ratings.

6 = par
6.5 =good game
7 = very good game
7.5 = motm standard performance
8 = Clear standout performance
8.5 = so good it will become one of those performances that gets talked about a lot
9 = once in a lifetime performance
9.5 = close to perfect, god like performance
10 = perfect, has never been reached but used as a measuring stick
What would Bale's performances against Inter at WHL and San Siro in the CL been rated on your scale then? :rolleyes:
 

Mr Pink

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2010
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In my view 7.5 is a very high rating. I think we were really good today and not a single player got a bad rating.

Use this as a rough guide when measuring my ratings.

6 = par
6.5 =good game
7 = very good game
7.5 = motm standard performance
8 = Clear standout performance
8.5 = so good it will become one of those performances that gets talked about a lot
9 = once in a lifetime performance
9.5 = close to perfect, god like performance
10 = perfect, has never been reached but used as a measuring stick

Personally I use 7 as good game and 7.5 as very good,8 excellent, 8.5 outstanding....9 plus exceptional.

6 ok, 6.5 decent. Anything below 6, under average dependent on the extent.
 

KenilworthSpur

Well-Known Member
Apr 16, 2007
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Lloris 8 - Best keeper in the league
Walker 7 - Solid defensively, not much chance offensively
Rose 6 - Struggled but has only just come back from injury (still better than Naughton)
Chiriches 9 - Great game
Dawson 7 - Great blocks and headers but we all know his limitations
Capoue 7 - Good defensive work until he ran out of legs
Dembele 7 - Less on the ball today but good pressing and did a job
Lennon 8 - Great going forward and defensively. If only he scored more
Eriksen 8 - Great on the ball and worked back tirelessly which he isn't normally known for
Soldado 7 - Does nothing outside the box they say - BS. Is gonna score loads soon
Adebayor 8 - Great goal, great workrate. Trying to prove a point

Bentaleb 7 - OK job when he came on in difficult circumstances
Chadli 7 - Ditto
Kane 7 - Worked hard and great volley into the crowd

Webb 8 - Most decisions correct
 

jonnyp

Well-Known Member
Jun 11, 2006
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Yeah I do too but don't you think FM would have Chiriches closer to a 9 than a 7.5?

Not really, I think Chiriches struggled with balls in behind him yet again. The goal wasn't entirely his fault, it was a lack of pressure on Januszaj (think it was him who assisted?) as well. He could've cost us a penalty as well. His foot did make contact with Welbeck, although not by much but Webb in previous years would've blown his whistle instantly. This time he didn't luckily.
 
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