Arsenal Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

slartibartfast said:

Your seriously comparing losing 2.0 at the Emirates to what happened at City and at home to Liverpool and West Ham and on top of that go one further by calling them 'less than favourable.' Really???
Ok mate whatever.

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I see that like your companion, Mr Gammon, you aren't able to answer questions directly or you missed the point entirely. Nothing changes.

slartibartfast said:

Your seriously comparing losing 2.0 at the Emirates to what happened at City and at home to Liverpool and West Ham and on top of that go one further by calling them 'less than favourable.' Really???
Ok mate whatever.

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Whoa chill out there buddy - this is more about justifying losses on a manager by manager basis, and I was just asking the other guy if he would provide that justification for AVB that's all...

CowInAComa said:

The way I see it is we lost a game we were always likely to lose. yes it could have been better but its not like we havent just beaten Utd and put in a wonderful performance against Stoke. Teams lose games, thats the way it is, especially against the divisions form team, they will beat better teams than us this year.

Had eriksen put the early chance away or Rose not lost his mind it may have ended up differently. I just cant accept that after beating Utd people are saying we are self destructing and falling apart and all that shit.

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It's not that we are falling apart. He set the team up wrong yesterday and invited us to be torn apart in midfield. Eriksen's chance was fortuitous, but having Capoue on may have provided better cover than given by Bentaleb.

CrazyHeart said:

Whoa chill out there buddy - this is more about justifying losses on a manager by manager basis, and I was just asking the other guy if he would provide that justification for AVB that's all...

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You committed the cardinal sin in his eyes of saying something vaguely positive about AVB. It causes him to froth at the mouth.

Sweetsman said:

You committed the cardinal sin in his eyes of saying something vaguely positive about AVB. It causes him to froth at the mouth.

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Wa hey he's back. Where you been?
Just edited my post to say anyone judging ANY manager within 2 weeks is stupid. Including AVB.
And he brought AVB up not me.
What was the positive? Please tell me. Only joking btw

0-Tibsy-0 said:

We also played an attacking central midfielder in front of Rose with no defensive minded midfielder at all across the middle. Our back line, who admittedly arent solid, werent ever going to be given a sufficient amount of protection.

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We played an attacking CM in front of BAE and didn't have this problem (and Lee was also frequently left exposed by Steed and coped well). Eriksen's won at least as many tackles as Capoue this season, at a similar percentage, I'd guess, and he and Bentaleb are far quicker. (Capoue's passing at OT was absolutely woeful.) Dembélé's our most effective ball winner, better even than Sandro. That doesn't strike me as being especially weak, and playing the lumbering Capoue in addition would have limited our attacking options. Bar a couple of bloopers, Dawson and Vlad were rock-solid at OT, so why they looked shakier yesterday I don't know, unless they hadn't recovered from their heroics.

CrazyHeart said:

Just out of curiosity... did you feel this way about AVB when we got less than favourable results?

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I know what youre getting at but, and yes. I can honestly say I was as nonplussed by our defeat to Arsenal at the beginning of the season.

My opinion of AvB after 18months in charge was formed of watching the same dour plodding and ultimately inflexible overwrought tactics over and over again, with no indication that he was willing to alter in the face of increasingly poor results.

It wasnt formed of failing to meet an unrealistic expectation of being able to turn over teams like Arsenal and Utd on their patch week after week. I can take a loss to a team that is currently better than us.

I can say hand on heart I couldnt give a toss over who is our manager, either Sherwood, AvB or any other. Its not the XFactor, im not interested in this silly popularity contest that seems to insist you have to pick a favourite and boo the other, im not a 12 year old girl.
My favourite manager is the one who achieves something with Spurs.

AvB did bad in the end, in my opinion. Tim is still very much in the honeymoon period so its hard to say how it will pan out, but has done ok so far as I am concerned.

slartibartfast said:

Wa hey he's back. Where you been?
Just edited my post to say anyone judging ANY manager within 2 weeks is stupid. Including AVB.
And he brought AVB up not me.
What was the positive? Please tell me. Only joking btw

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Erm, I was banned for two weeks and therefore was away.

jezz said:

Really ask mourinho who regularly says i picked the wrong team.
Difference being he changes it at half time if it isnt working as do other top managers.

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Thats a different ball game. He regularly says that to get the attention off his team and on to him. Trust me, Jose wont think he has done wrong, its all mind games what you hear in the press

CrazyHeart said:

Whoa chill out there buddy - this is more about justifying losses on a manager by manager basis, and I was just asking the other guy if he would provide that justification for AVB that's all...

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Im chilled lol. Yeah I get what your saying but Sherwood has only had the job a few weeks so there is no comparison. If he is still in the job this time next year then yeah I think you can make comparisons and question his actions.
Anyone who gave AVB a hard time 2 weeks in must have been a numpty imo.

punkisback said:

Showing them too much respect, we've dominated them in several games in recent years, we're not plucky totteham; we were their equal last season.

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Really? It's been 5-2 to them in our last two visits, 3-0 to them in another, and the one time we beat them (the first away win since 1993) we were pretty lucky if we're honest. We've had just eight wins in all competitions since then. Just as well we don't dominate everyone else like that, isn't it?

God this place is tedious after a loss. We played the scum in there backyard, made a few errors, and lost. Move on. Its football, it will happen to us and it will happen to them many times over the season. We cant moan for days saying Sherwood should have done this and that every time we lose. Had he played Capoue and we lost 3 nil, people would say we should of attacked them more. Get over the loss and move on

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

I prefer the turgid midfield battle that we lost marginally 1 - 0 earlier in the season at the emirates. To the attack versus defence 2 - 0 embarrassment we witnessed yesterday.

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That's fair enough Justin. Of course you're welcome to prefer any style of football you like and sorry if I spoke unfairly to you earlier. But I have to disagree with your sentiment that our performance in the league game was much better than it was yesterday. If I had the time I would sit down and re-watch both games to be sure but yesterday didn't feel like an embarrassment to me apart from Danny Rose's moment of madness. I think we had our chances and had we been a bit fresher we might have made more of it.

Honestly, I think our boys gave 100% yesterday and was particularly impressed by Walker, Eriksen and Dembele's hard work throughout the game. Walker should probably be given a Duracell contract the amount of running he does in games. It's frightening.

I think what a lot of the division we're seeing on SC and amongst Spurs fans in general now comes from how we think the game should be played and of course this comes down to personal preferences and even more intrinsically, our personalities.

There probably is no real right or wrong in this respect as long as either style is employed effectively. I think we can all agree we want to see our club win games and be successful.

I speak for myself when I say I personally like to see a little derring-do from my football team as the game is after all there for our entertainment first and foremost. It is also something which is supposedly part of the Tottenham identity and something which I have heard fans of other teams give us praise for.

Of course, I don't want to see suicidal formations and tactics a la Ardiles' infamous 'Christmas Tree' but I really don't think that Sherwood is as naive as some of his critics here (you included) would have us believe and all I'm asking is that people look at the performances and results fairly rather than distort the reality to fit a pre-formed picture.

So far I think it's been pretty good though wouldn't you agree? 10 points from 12 in the first 4 league games? That's not bad form.

Ok we lost to Arsenal at their place in the cup. It's really not as bad as some of you lot are making out. Let's see how the season pans out and come back to this then, eh?

Sweetsman said:

Erm, I was banned for two weeks and therefore was away.

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Really?? Damn lol.
Welcome back anyway. No hard feelings. Happy new year.

If Sherwood is the mug alot of you think he is, hes got 4 months left in the job. So he will be the one to lose

slartibartfast said:

Im chilled lol. Yeah I get what your saying but Sherwood has only had the job a few weeks so there is no comparison. If he is still in the job this time next year then yeah I think you can make comparisons and question his actions.
Anyone who gave AVB a hard time 2 weeks in must have been a numpty imo.

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Gotcha... but for my own edification, does this mean you're totally cool with the loss to West Ham in the Carling Cup also?

We played West Ham about 48 hours after AvB was sacked.

CrazyHeart said:

Gotcha... but for my own edification, does this mean you're totally cool with the loss to West Ham in the Carling Cup also?

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Absolutely. Not happy about it but it was his first game so if someone wants to judge a manager after his first bloody game then that's taking impatience to a whole new level.

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